posted December 03, 2019 12:10 PM            

This was the biggest and deepest love I have ever felt for someone. I hope this break up will be good for both of us. Your insight and support much appreciated.

posted December 03, 2019 02:57 PM            

Can you post the chart images?

posted December 03, 2019 03:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Hi dearest ❤️
Sorry to hear about this... I remember how deep and somehow challenging your bond with this person is.
I think that transiting SN along with tr Venus triggered the Composite Neptune square MC while transiting Neptune conjunct Comp. Jupiter square to the Uranus/Saturn midpoint, given both Composite Neptune square MC and Jupiter square Uranus as highly potential aspects of break up, with Neptune as the chart ruler.
Since transiting Sun is conjunct Comp. ASC/Saturn, tr SN trine Venus and transit Uranus is trine Neptune, I assume this is not a definitive separation and with transiting Mars conjunct Pluto square Sun/Moon it is possible that the nature of your relationship will change, i.e. the romantic link might be broken but the intellectual one might still last... at this moment, transit Neptune conjunct Jupiter trine Saturn looks like you both are handling with the break up positively.

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Dear Stoika I hope you are very well. I am mostly okay. I am always so touched by the responses on this platform as it's completely anonymous and no one owes anyone anything, it's completely based on shared curiosities and good feelings.

It's strange, Stoika. Our physicality and love was still intact, right up until when we had the talk that undid everything, and then it was as if we could not bear to even think about the future together. We were always very different people in general, but had fallen in love hard. I feel as though some of the blinding aspect of our love disappeared for me, it was as if I could finally see how little potential we had for being happily together. I feel like no amount of trying is going to translate into a peaceful life (which is exactly what todd had read in our charts way back in late 2016, so respect & love to them).

I do actually feel somewhat ready to try and move on on my terms. Perhaps I was receiving less love and care than I needed. For all its passion, it was a very draining relationship. I do not feel I can give any more than I have. It was as if this feeling arose for both of us at around the same time, a paralyzing sense of hopelessness about our union.

Perhaps down the line we can be friends, but personally for me, it will take a lot of time. I loved him a ton. If I didn't have responsibilities, I would move away to a far away land try to fill all the gaps with new knowledge and growth and would not come back until I feel less hopeless. Funny you should see it not ending, Stoika, it does not feel like that at all... I feel like I need a rebirth.

posted December 03, 2019 03:53 PM            

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Originally posted by HieronymusTush:
Dear Stoika I hope you are very well. I am mostly okay. I am always so touched by the responses on this platform as it's completely anonymous and no one owes anyone anything, it's completely based on shared curiosities and good feelings.

It's strange, Stoika. Our physicality and love was still intact, right up until when we had the talk that undid everything, and then it was as if we could not bear to even think about the future together. We were always very different people in general, but had fallen in love hard. I feel as though some of the blinding aspect of our love disappeared for me, it was as if I could finally see how little potential we had for being happily together. I feel like no amount of trying is going to translate into a peaceful life (which is exactly what todd had read in our charts way back in late 2016, so respect & love to them).

I do actually feel somewhat ready to try and move on on my terms. Perhaps I was receiving less love and care than I needed. For all its passion, it was a very draining relationship. I do not feel I can give any more than I have. It was as if this feeling arose for both of us at around the same time, a paralyzing sense of hopelessness about our union.

Perhaps down the line we can be friends, but personally for me, it will take a lot of time. I loved him a ton. If I didn't have responsibilities, I would move away to a far away land try to fill all the gaps with new knowledge and growth and would not come back until I feel less hopeless. Funny you should see it not ending, Stoika, it does not feel like that at all... I feel like I need a rebirth.

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Hi darling, even though in such sad circumstance, it's so good to hear from you ❤️

posted December 03, 2019 04:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Hi darling, even though in such sad circumstance, it's so good to hear from you ❤️

Well I perfectly understand and I think it's so natural that you feel like that at this time... of course *this* relationship might be over as you deeply feel. Or it might be definitely over in any sense...
Just observing actual transits, it doesnt seem that this bond will be definitively broken, even though it might take even years to be ready for whatever new/different connection. Btw, I basically see that transiting SN has put an end while being conjunct to Neptune square MC and the other aspects I have mentioned....
I wish you to not just move on, which is tough enough, but also to turn this experience into a positive perspective, cause even though I know it was draining, it still looks enriching for your life path and inner self-development ❤️

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I did not know SN transits brought difficulty. Could you explain the idea behind it?

I guess what this relationship has taught me is that deep and big love does not always translate to comfort or peace. I would warn others to be cautiously brave about composite saturn and pluto squares. Perhaps even 8th house stelliums. I can attest that they can feel like sentences handed to you sometimes. It brought out a completely childlike and secret need to be taken care of for me. I have a tendency to carry people I love in my heart for very long periods of time. Perhaps it's my Scorpio Venus... I suppose I am somewhat glad I am not feeling that crippling fear of abandonment or things going wrong because I couldn't envision a future ahead. There's an amount of relief.

Who knows what the future brings? He taught me so many things. I have become so much more brave and expansive in the mind. Once I gather my energy and heal a little bit more, I hope to make great things with these, create little books, make art. It's funny the Jupiter transit of my 1st and 4th houses began with this development... I thought they were supposed to be joyous lol. I do not regret any of it though...

posted December 03, 2019 04:26 PM            

Well... Pluto square Sun/Moon in 8th house is certainly "intense"... in the good and the bad, especially deeply transformative. And most of all, Saturn/ASC opposite Chiron, in your case, with also Saturn/Uranus square Jupiter... I guess that if there was no such a strong bond with Saturn/ASC and the Plutonian glue, with those aspects it all would have ended much earlier...

posted December 03, 2019 04:29 PM            

South Node takes away our biggest attachments, anything from relationships/bonds to materialistic items.
Initially it strips away so many things we are deeply attached to. You feel pain during this time and like a helpless child who cannot leave the old you. But in the long run, it is for the best because it will teach you a great lesson and about your true higher purpose, which is constant evolution.
Not just spiritually but for peace of mind, love and materially.
As a metaphor, it is like if you were a child and the toys you love most are taken away for you to grow up and get more toys and then the excess is taken away and you cry. Then you gather more toys and then they are taken away and it keeps repeating.

The point it is trying to teach is for you to not be afraid of things and people being taken away from you. If they don't go, new change won't come. Perfect yin and yang symbolism.
The biggest thing you gain is insight, wisdom, experience, truth and reality. All the things in this world that are priceless and can never be taken away from you.

posted December 03, 2019 04:46 PM            

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Originally posted by HieronymusTush:
Thank you Stoika for your time and attention. Wish me well, I need it. I am trying to focus on very small moments which makes the time flow better.

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I wish you all well lovely HieronymusTush
You're a big soul/heart and your struggle is intense... but the human and creative energy coming out from this will be even bigger, I know this
Big hugs

❤️❤️❤️

posted December 04, 2019 03:19 AM            

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Originally posted by jyeshthatequila:
I agree that SN transit is what caused the break up.

South Node takes away our biggest attachments, anything from relationships/bonds to materialistic items.
Initially it strips away so many things we are deeply attached to. You feel pain during this time and like a helpless child who cannot leave the old you. But in the long run, it is for the best because it will teach you a great lesson and about your true higher purpose, which is constant evolution.
Not just spiritually but for peace of mind, love and materially.
As a metaphor, it is like if you were a child and the toys you love most are taken away for you to grow up and get more toys and then the excess is taken away and you cry. Then you gather more toys and then they are taken away and it keeps repeating.

The point it is trying to teach is for you to not be afraid of things and people being taken away from you. If they don't go, new change won't come. Perfect yin and yang symbolism.
The biggest thing you gain is insight, wisdom, experience, truth and reality. All the things in this world that are priceless and can never be taken away from you.

Once Ketu is done transiting, you may have chances of getting back together.

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posted December 04, 2019 03:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
I wish you all well lovely HieronymusTush
You're a big soul/heart and your struggle is intense... but the human and creative energy coming out from this will be even bigger, I know this
Big hugs

❤️❤️❤️

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posted December 04, 2019 03:32 AM            

We all know what it feels like I guess. The worst is when you still love each other.

But I was going to say.. it would be a lot easier viewing the charts with less activity.

If that's what you still want?

Less asteroids, and no aspects to points. And maybe an aspect grid too please <3

posted December 04, 2019 05:15 AM            

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Originally posted by HieronymusTush:
.... I feel like I need a rebirth.

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Rebirth you will get. Your relationship is under the influence of transiting Saturn & Pluto so you're both getting realistic and transformed. Pay attention to your composite Vertex. Technically, Vertex = Your relationship. As Saturn & Pluto will be transiting and aspecting your antivertex, you'll both have hard time but you need it. You need to figure out what you want in this life, what kind of relationship you're looking for, and if you need a different partner or your current partner is able to change for your sake. I feel like it's not your last break-up.

I guess it's gonna be more tough for him. Because judging by his chart he doesn't know what he wants and hasn't found his life goal yet. This might be the reason why you can't plan your future together.

I have Cancer vertex natally and I've been experiencing the same the whole year. I notice all flaws of my partner I ignored conciously before. As if now Saturn makes me picky and I'm not ready to forgive or put up with anything.

Keep calm. It's all for the better. Once you've worked out these transits, it'll make you wiser = more free.

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posted December 04, 2019 03:18 PM            

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Originally posted by HieronymusTush:
Thank you, big hugs to you as well. Your attention is very much appreciated. I wanted to ask you something Stoika, if you are sure our bond is extremely strong, could you advise on how to experience this in a less painful way? Do you think having tried to experience and maintain this in a romantic context makes it so painful? Do you think other versions could feel less suffocating? Is the pain aspect you see in the composite written in stone no matter the dynamics or circumstances?

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