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Topic: Nodes & Vertex on the axis and big stellium - composite chart
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Sara1984
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posted December 06, 2019 12:05 PM
  
Does anyone more experienced than me see something karmic/fated on this chart? I'm a little confused.. is it normal to have a stellium like this in the composite chart?Our composite chart:
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Stoika7
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posted December 06, 2019 06:13 PM
Wow! ...and in the 7th house :-)You also have a Mystic Rectangle and a Grand Kite, involving the Nodes and Chiron, this looks quite fated, and otherworldly with Vertex conjunct DSC... you likely have a psychic/strong instant non-verbal communication here. Also, a strong intimacy is there, with Pluto conjunct Venus/Moon/Sun...!! You can experience a very intense merging sexual/emotional life as it's all part of a one whole thing... It all looks also quite creative, aristic, you might share exciting ideas and plan creative projects. The risk with Vertex/DSC and Neptune square Jupiter is that you might be swept off into a fantasy world and lose the sense of reality in such a wonderful fairy tale. Also, some ego issues might come into play with Mars square Jupiter.
It is possible that the strong psychic nature is going to not fulfill all your desires here, some more earthly obstacles might be a challenge to the relationship. Saturn looks pretty stable being conjunct to MC and trine to Jupiter. NN conjunct IC looks actually like the completion of a karmic fate bringing some major accomplishment. I only wonder what is the real big challenge here... given by Saturn square Vertex. it all looks too magic and good to be true :-) IP: Logged |
Sara1984
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posted December 07, 2019 10:01 AM
Oh god .. you hit the point in an incredible way!! the obstacle is that he is not mine .. and I don't know if he ever will be. I'm with another person and I'm not a cheater. We never talk to each other but when we see we get always lost in the eyes all night long... my legs shakes when I walk near him and I look down because the emotion it's too intense. I have never experienced a strong feeling like this.. I am a scorpion woman with mars in the eighth house, I am usually much more enterprising in relationships XD We also have 21 years of difference .. We've been looking at each other for two years and my sixth sense tells me that it will not end so soon.. in our synastry we have eros conjunct eros and child conjunct child.. God.. I think I'm in trouble!!Thank you so much for your interpretation and sorry for my terrible English  IP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted December 07, 2019 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by Sara1984:
Oh god .. you hit the point in an incredible way!! the obstacle is that he is not mine .. and I don't know if he ever will be. I'm with another person and I'm not a cheater. We never talk to each other but when we see we get always lost in the eyes all night long... my legs shakes when I walk near him and I look down because the emotion it's too intense. I have never experienced a strong feeling like this.. I am a scorpion woman with mars in the eighth house, I am usually much more enterprising in relationships XD We also have 21 years of difference .. We've been looking at each other for two years and my sixth sense tells me that it will not end so soon.. in our synastry we have eros conjunct eros and child conjunct child.. God.. I think I'm in trouble!!Thank you so much for your interpretation and sorry for my terrible English
Hi Sara!! I'm italian too :-D
Your english is not terrible by the way :-))
(but if there's something you want to better express in italian or me to explain in italian I hope it is OK for the forum admins! ) I see now what is challenging in that Saturn square Vertex and sextile Jupiter in 12th house this looks like there's a potential happyness that is hard to make real... and also NN square ASC and opposite MC is a concern for future plans...
But of course you feel like you describe with that big stellium involving Pluto conjunct Sun, Moon, Venus... unluckily it is square to Saturn though. so it's like if something makes you powerless here.
But still... you do look soulmates to me!
You are not married and have no child, right? Or committment in other relationships is too binding and grounded to break those up? So one thing we could do is to check the composite of the other relationships, between you and your stable mate and his relationship as well... as see what it all tells us in the big picture.... IP: Logged |
Sara1984
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posted December 07, 2019 05:50 PM
Ma ciao!! Che bella coincidenza thank you so much for your help <3 No, I am not married and I don't want children (which could be a good news for my "friend" because he is divorced with adult children  ). I already left my current partner last year for a couple of weeks but I went back on my steps because I missed him, but I still feel that I am not complete .. and the fact that I like the other man doesn't help me and makes me feel guilty. I should just have the courage to talk to him and tell him that I like him very much even if I don't know him. Because maybe he doesn't even want to have a story with me ... maybe because of age. We should just talk frankly and get to know each other well instead of looking each other like two kids! Here is the composite chart with my partner: [IMG]https://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k113/sarabac84/Mob ile%20Uploads/Screenshot_20191207-230920__01_zpsp9az51si.jpg[/IMG] Grazie davvero! IP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted December 07, 2019 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by Sara1984:
Ma ciao!! Che bella coincidenza thank you so much for your help <3 No, I am not married and I don't want children (which could be a good news for my "friend" because he is divorced with adult children ). I already left my current partner last year for a couple of weeks but I went back on my steps because I missed him, but I still feel that I am not complete .. and the fact that I like the other man doesn't help me and makes me feel guilty. I should just have the courage to talk to him and tell him that I like him very much even if I don't know him. Because maybe he doesn't even want to have a story with me ... maybe because of age. We should just talk frankly and get to know each other well instead of looking each other like two kids! Here is the composite chart with my partner: [IMG]https://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k113/sarabac84/Mob ile%20Uploads/Screenshot_20191207-230920__01_zpsp9az51si.jpg[/IMG] Grazie davvero!
Ciao :-)) Prego, è un piacere! I see you have a longtime stable romantic bond with your mate cause Neptune as the 7th house ruler in the same house trine to Sun, NN in second house trine Mars/Jupiter looks long term and Saturn is strong, there is deep affection and a intimate familiar feeling, lots of shared interests, and the Moon in 8th house trine Venus is deeply loving, even though with the square to Saturn there's actually an emotional lack or block sometimes, and with Uranus square Sun/Moon midpoint and Juno you can have on-off periods of abrupt separation... so there is a deep bond but it is not always stable and with Neptune square Venus there is potential infidelty, unless it suggests only an intense socially entertaining life together or different cultural roots.
This certainly looks more grounded and "real" than the other one, even if the other person seems to attract you much more on an "higher" level, someone you dream of as an ideal partner, almost in a magical way or under a spell, and it looks like having a deep karmic draw...
The feeling I have looking at both charts is that the challenge is whether to leave the safest one (your actual partner) to pursue a big question mark with the second person, a choice between staying grounded or following a (uncertain) dream, or so...
With your actual partner things look long term but with the Uranus square to Juno as Sun/Venus midpoint there's possible future break up, it depends mainly on how you both deal with Uranian energies and being independent from each other.
With the first chart you posted, as I said, everything looks magic, but somehow unattainable, so I am wondering if maybe this person is there for you to gain some awareness about yourself and your future emotional choices, rather than actually getting involved with this person... if you do, it might be a very intense and enriching relationship and life changing, but maybe not for the long term.
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Stoika7
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posted December 07, 2019 08:13 PM
Now looking at transits to your charts... transiting Nodes are conjunct to Composite Nodes in the chart of your actual relationship... this looks like a significant moment, the end of a cicle, moreover cause transiting NN/Uranus midpoint is opposite DSC and transiting Saturn is square to Saturn. Next week, transiting Mercury will be conjunct to Composite Uranus... since Mercury is the Composite ruler, I believe something might happen with your actual mate, maybe unexpectedly. maybe an argument or something triggering a distance between you two.
With the other person, transiting SN conjunct Eros square Moon/Pluto/Valentine and transiting Mercury actually conjunct Mars, it is possible that something is happening here at the same time... maybe he might approach you or some kind of further step might occur in the next few days.
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Sara1984
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posted December 09, 2019 06:31 AM
Ciao Cara Stoika 😊It's all true what you say. I would love to be always happy with my current partner but unfortunately I am not, regardless of the other person. I constantly have periods on/off and I don’t understand on what they depend. Maybe is just my personality, maybe is my neptune in the 7th house or my venus conjunct to uranus XD. As for the other person, I cannot even understand how could it happen such a connection like that with a man that I know only vaguely (non posso credere di essermi così’ rincretinita a 35 anni!!).
The first time that I saw him I didn’t felt love at first sight (as happened to him) but something even stranger: I thought I wanted to sit next to him at the table because I didn't want him to be alone. I immediately felt sympathy and a sense of protection. And I don't understand why ... I've never had this attitude with people who aren't my close friends.. they usually leave me completely indifferent. It would be nice if astrology told you if a story could be forever or not XD Who knows how long we can resist to each other .. I wonder always what he thinks.. who knows how much he likes me.. Unfortunately I don’t know when I will see him again but I will certainly update you on this mess! XD Buon lunedì!!
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Stoika7
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posted December 10, 2019 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by Sara1984:
Ciao Cara Stoika 😊It's all true what you say. I would love to be always happy with my current partner but unfortunately I am not, regardless of the other person. I constantly have periods on/off and I don’t understand on what they depend. Maybe is just my personality, maybe is my neptune in the 7th house or my venus conjunct to uranus XD. As for the other person, I cannot even understand how could it happen such a connection like that with a man that I know only vaguely (non posso credere di essermi così’ rincretinita a 35 anni!!).
The first time that I saw him I didn’t felt love at first sight (as happened to him) but something even stranger: I thought I wanted to sit next to him at the table because I didn't want him to be alone. I immediately felt sympathy and a sense of protection. And I don't understand why ... I've never had this attitude with people who aren't my close friends.. they usually leave me completely indifferent. It would be nice if astrology told you if a story could be forever or not XD Who knows how long we can resist to each other .. I wonder always what he thinks.. who knows how much he likes me.. Unfortunately I don’t know when I will see him again but I will certainly update you on this mess! XD Buon lunedì!!
Ahah, tranquilla, io mi sono rincretinita a cinquant'anni più o meno nello stesso modo, quindi... si vede che il rincretinirsi non ha età ! :-D :-D I think the story with this guy is sweet, you sitting next to him cause he looked lonely! Just for curiosity, do you meet him only casually or on regular basis, like at work or some usual environment ? Well, I believe astrology can say a lot, but it depends on how good the astrologer is :-D Btw, actual transits to both Composites look very significant at this moment... I would expect something to happen this week in both situations which could bring some radical change. I would expect you to meet the "magic" person again quite soon. And with your actual relationship... I dont know, but transiting nodes look like things might bring distance between you two in a close future... but I'll wait for your updates in order to read those transits better. Baci !!
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Sara1984
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posted December 11, 2019 08:42 AM
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Ahah, tranquilla, io mi sono rincretinita a cinquant'anni più o meno nello stesso modo, quindi... si vede che il rincretinirsi non ha età ! :-D :-D
Quindi mi confermi che anche un uomo di 56 anni si può rincretinire ancora per amore?? che belle notizie che mi dai cara Stoika! ahah I think he is not a simple man, yesterday I looked at his birth chart and I saw that his saturn apposite sun and venus. I'm a new entry in astrology so I still don't understand how it works very well. Even the synastry with him for me it's confused, full of squares and totally different from the composite. (Se hai tempo da perdere l'ho caricata ieri e ti lascio il link qui sotto ma non sentirti assolutamente in dovere di interpretarla, mi stai già davvero aiutando troppo ) Synastry: [IMG]https://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k113/sarabac84/synastry_zpsdwehljvt.png[/IMG] (Io sono il blu!) Anyway, I met him because we frequent the same places in our small town, we love music and .. beer! In fact the first time I noticed him at a beer tasting in the bar that we frequented (unfortunately it's close now). Honestly, I don't know if he had already noticed me before that evening. I never know if he will be at a concert or an event. The funny thing is that he is a quite sociable person (or at least it seems to me) and always speaks with my "noisy friends" while with me he is hardly able to telling me "ciao" (but I don't blame him because I have the same problem with him!), he simply spends the evening looking at me quite often. We talked only 2/3 times since we met  . I hope to see him this Friday night, even if I will be accompanied by my current mate. I will update you! Baci! IP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted December 14, 2019 11:25 PM
Natally, he seems to be quite a reserved person, someone who can hide his feelings even when they are intense, there is a shadow of mystery on his Leo Sun and Venus given by the 8th house and an apparent emotional detachment given by the Virgo Moon, even though he has a fire inside and he's a big dreamer... also, his Aquarius Saturn square to his IC looks like a deeply lonely person... he might also have some deep insecurity issues and inner sadness with NN square Jupiter... maybe he had an harsh life and some of his dreams were not fulfilled...
The synastry gives me again a sense of deeply romantic/dreamy connection but maybe unattainable with those nodal squares and your Neptune square his moon... but also a sense of physical "distance" and shyness somehow... very idealistic, plutonic, secret love-like..... with your Chiron square his Pluto you seem to hit his subconscious desires and since you have DW Moon/Vesta, it looks like an attraction based more on "thirst of love" than sexual desire... even though, apparently, the sexual attraction is also strong with Venus square Uranus, but in such picture it seems it would take only to short lasting fireworks. I have a feeling that your connection is deeper than that, but "hidden", not easily expressing itself.Have you met him on Friday? IP: Logged |
Sara1984
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posted December 15, 2019 09:05 AM
Ciao Carissima! I think you are right about his character .. he is a strange man, I think I understood him. He talks to everyone but then he gets in the corner alone to listen the music and to me he seems lonely and sad. Yes, I saw him, I also look at him with little more intensity than usual, but this time I had the feeling that he was a bit annoyed or overwhelmed. It is not my intention to bother him, he started this game but he seems want to play it only when he wants. Se non mi vede per un mese non mi stacca gli occhi di dosso, se però mi vede di nuovo a distanza di 2/3 giorni ecco che non mi calcola quasi. Io non lo capisco proprio Stoika.. è davvero tutto troppo complicato. Non so nemmeno perché ci perdo il sonno.. Io dico, va bene tutto.. la differenza d'età, il fatto che sono impegnata.. ma cavolo allora smettiamo e basta. Ho questa sensazione incredibile che con lui potrei stare finalmente bene ma è tutto bloccato. È davvero un peccato far morire una cosa del genere.. mai con nessuno ho avuto un'intimità e una chimica del genere solo con lo sguardo. IP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted December 15, 2019 11:36 AM
Does he know that you are in a relationship?
Maybe this is the reason of his weird behaviour... I see that he's a very introverted person, and emotionally insecure, so I would think that he behaves like that cause he just doesnt know how to act with you and has some fears...
In Composite, the Saturn square suggests the situation is blocked in fact... and the Mars/Neptune midpoint square to Jupiter looks like hidden feelings and a sense of an "impossible dream" and so the behaviours are not spontaneous and open, but a mask is being worn, or so....Vedo anche che tu potresti avere difficoltà a esporti in situazioni in cui non sei a tuo agio e incoraggiata ad "agire" per prima... a me sembra che lui non ha proprio il coraggio di avvicinarsi, che ti vede irraggiungibile... a meno che tu non stia completamente fraintendendo il suo comportamento e intenzioni... ma per te sarebbe così difficile prendere tu l'iniziativa per "rompere il ghiaccio" ? IP: Logged |
Sara1984
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posted December 15, 2019 12:11 PM
He knows well that I have a boyfriend, he knew when I was free and when I got back with him. A mio modo poi con lui ci ho già provato..
One year ago when I left my current partner I had the "brilliant" idea to send him a message on facebook with my phone number and ask him friendship (lo so è triste..). The result was that he refused me friendship and didn't even reply to the message. I don't even know if he read it because messages are filtered as spam if you don't have friendship with someone. Quindi li per li mi sono messa l'anima in pace e ho pensato di aver frainteso le intenzioni! Ma.. cara stoika.. io ho visto la sua faccia quando mi ha rivisto con lui.. l'ho sentita tutta. Una volta ha pure commentato ad alta voce vicino ad un mio amico "che fi*a incredibile!" dopo essergli passata accanto.. ahah poco delicato eh?! In ogni caso se gli fosse interessato realmente credo che avrebbe preso la palla al balzo già un anno fa.. Non so se me la sento di fare un ultimo tentativo faccia a faccia sto giro.. odio queste cose sospese!! 😠 IP: Logged |
Sara1984
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posted December 15, 2019 12:21 PM
And mostly it's awful that I make "sweet eyes" at him while I'm with another guy. I would never want him to think that I am a "poco di buono" because I'am not at all ... 😭IP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted December 15, 2019 04:06 PM
Yes, I completely understand your difficulty! It is possible that he actually hasnt seen that old message of yours.... it has happened to me with my "impossible love" as well, he saw my message in his spam folder only six months later and only after I had left a gift at his house and he had searched for me over FB and finally found the message... so, given what you're telling, I would think he never saw your message! But the fact that he looks at you that way and you heard him say that comment, and the fact that he's a very shy person romantically, might confirm the fact that he sees you as "unreachable", too good to be true for him!Poi mettici anche che il fatto di sapere che sei impegnata potrebbe sembrargli ancora più insormontabile... magari l'anno scorso anche se sapeva che eri libera, lui potrebbe comunque non essersi sentito "alla tua altezza", o magari ha anche altri cavoli suoi per cui non vuole complicarsi la vita.... Capisco che per te è difficilissimo esporti... credo che l'unica sarebbe entrarci in confidenza lentamente, in modo amichevole, senza mettere in ballo giochi di seduzione, ma in modo che nessuno dei due si senta a disagio o che anche all'esterno non appaia come una "tresca" o qualcosa del genere... IP: Logged |
Sara1984
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posted December 16, 2019 07:24 AM
Yes, it's probable that he didn't read it because he didn't change his behavior with me.. and I confirm that he has the fire inside! I tried it 2/3 times (he is usually insistent but polite!) with glances that literally destroyed me inside, broke my breath and burn my body from the inside. Wow.. never tried with anyone something like this before..
Well.. we'll see what happens in the next episodes! Meanwhile, thank you very much for your precious help <3A volte fa male ma è tremendamente bello, struggente e romantico che due anime non si siano ancora stufate di ricorrersi con gli occhi e studiarsi da lontano dopo due anni. Proprio per questo non riesco a smettere questa cosa con lui, sento davvero che c'è qualcosa grosso in ballo.. se fosse un capriccio io avrei già smesso e onestamente credo anche lui. Boh.. incomincio a pensare di essere un po' pazzoide.. XD Un bacio cara! Buona settimana! IP: Logged |
Sara1984
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posted December 16, 2019 08:17 AM
Oh and the thing you did (leave a gift at your "impossible love") is simply beautiful .. so sweet <3IP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted December 16, 2019 12:54 PM
You are so welcome! Yes, I know what you mean :-) I think it is a beautiful story and I also think there is might be a reason behind this, between you two, not just a game.Please keep me updated! Grazie, anch'io sono molto pazzoide in questa storia, sono follemente innamorata da 4 anni di uno che praticamente mi conosce appena, è sposato, vive all'estero ed è anche un po' conosciuto! Ma anche qui, c'è qualcosa di molto intenso tra noi, di questo ne sono certa e ho avuto le prove più volte, ed è il motivo per cui non riesco a mollare (e a essere pazzoide! :-) ) IP: Logged |
Sara1984
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posted December 17, 2019 07:17 AM
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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Please keep me updated!
Sure! maybe I'll see him on Saturday! quote:
Originally posted by Stoika7:
Grazie, anch'io sono molto pazzoide in questa storia, sono follemente innamorata da 4 anni di uno che praticamente mi conosce appena, è sposato, vive all'estero ed è anche un po' conosciuto! Ma anche qui, c'è qualcosa di molto intenso tra noi, di questo ne sono certa e ho avuto le prove più volte, ed è il motivo per cui non riesco a mollare (e a essere pazzoide! :-) )
Potremmo fondare una comunità di recupero! XD Però mi sa che hai vinto tu sto giro sulla pazzia acuta.. il mio "uomo magico" almeno vive a 5 km da casa mia!
Ciao cara, buona giornata <3 IP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted December 17, 2019 07:36 PM
ahahah, come caso disperato vinco di sicuro!! Sulla comunità di recupero, ci sto!! ahah IP: Logged |
Sara1984
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posted December 21, 2019 09:36 AM
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Sara1984
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posted December 21, 2019 09:37 AM
Dolce Stoika, may I ask you to read this post on my birth chart? Graham said some things about a possible future involvement of my magical man: http://www.lindagoodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/025772.html
I would love to hear your opinion Ah ieri l'ho visto, mi ha salutato per ben 3 volte in una sera mentre gli passavo accanto guardandolo.. se non altro è educato dai ahahahahaha che dolcezza ❤️ IP: Logged |
Graham
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posted December 21, 2019 10:02 AM
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/025772.html IP: Logged |
Sara1984
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posted December 21, 2019 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by Graham:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/025772.html
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