posted December 10, 2019 01:45 AM            

I'm curious since he has some very nice aspects with gal A: her Sun/Moon conjunct his ASC/DSC; his Vertex on her DSC; Pluto-Moon DW; Venus-Sun DW, Sun-Moon DW, Moon trine Moon etc.

What do you see?

Synastry with Gal A

posted December 10, 2019 03:07 AM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Oh I love these kinds of posts. Okay let me see..

Well right away I don't feel like either are necessarily his type! The reason I think that is this:

He has Moon in Libra conjunct Pluto
So I would assume that he would be looking for Libra or Scorpio placements

Neither girls have predominant Libra or Scorpio placements. Only girl #1 with her Scorpio ASC. So she gets one point.

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Gal B has Venus in the first, which has the energy of Libra.

posted December 10, 2019 03:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
Gal B:
- opposite ASC
- conjunct angles
- moon in Sag(his Venus=9th)
- her venus in his 7th

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Thanks, Bismarck2. This is what I thought too... and her Sag Moon matches his 7H Jupiter and conjunct his ASC so bringing the energy to his face.

posted December 10, 2019 04:23 AM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Next, he has Venus conjunct Saturn in Leo
So one would think he's looking for either Leo or Capricorn traits in the girl he wants
Neither girl has predominant Leo or Capricorn in their charts! Both girls even have Saturn in fall (Saturn in Cancer). So neither get a point here.

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Gal A has Venus quincunx Saturn. Doesn't that mirror his Venus-Saturn? If we look beyond the signs, he's seeking someone with Saturnine energy and gal B has Saturn sextile Sun/Mercury trine 10H Mars.

Side note: Gal B has been attracting lotsa Venus-Saturn guys. In your opinion, what in her natal seems to be the cause for this?

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Girl A now has 4 points and Girl B has 2 points

Now here's why I think he chose Girl B..

She puts her Moon in his 1st, her Mars in his 4th, her Jupiter and Sun in his 5th, and her Venus in his 7th. Plain and simple, she is just a joyful presence in his life and really activates his dreamy romantic feelings. She also helps his pattern completion - his natal trine between Uranus and Jupiter is now trine her Mars, creating a grand trine. She's thrilling and makes him feel complete.

Our guy over here has Cancer Mars, so very maternal and likely looking for his 4th house to get filled up by something.

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So in your opinion, house overlays are so powerful? Gal B's 7H Moon also seeks Cancerian placements so it's mutual here.

You didn't mention the angles conjunction between him and gal B though, which I thought could be a strong reason why he feels more attracted to gal B.

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Girl A looks karmic as hell, and maybe a little uncomfortable because there's so much deep sh*t going on.

SO many nodal square, indicating that Girl A is a powerful presence in his life. They likely have sexual chemistry (her Mars trine his Venus), but she might be a little too "male" for his tastes (She's a Sag Sun, Moon in Gem, Venus in Aqua, Mars in Aries and Scorpio ASC for f*ck's sake! Total alpha female)

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Can you explain this? I don't see any nodal squares between him and gal A. She barely has any presence in his life as they didn't contact after the first meeting. On the other hand, he and gal B have Saturn square Nodes and Nodes square IC/MC.

posted December 10, 2019 11:32 AM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
I tend not to count inconjunctions are major aspects, even if they're super tight. The reason why I do this is because I know a few people with yods, one of them a Gemini Venus with a tight yod with Saturn and Pluto. Normally I would think, "okay so Saturn and Pluto must be modifying this Venus to something more Saturnina/Plutonian!" but it doesn't really do that at all. So since then I've adjusted the significance I put on inconjunctions which is why I didn't think it would count in this analysis (just a personal preference of course)

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Strange, as I do feel my inconjunction in natal and I remember Jewel says she considers it a major aspect. But like what you said, it's personal preference.

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Hmmm.. might be Saturn currently transitting her 8th house?

I think her sweet Pisces Mars in the 10th might make Saturnian guys heart melt - like oh she's so in control and ambitious but it's tempered with a sweet femininity?

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Not just recently... she has always attracted Venus-Saturn individuals (romantic partners, close friends, family members etc). Could that 10H Mars be the attraction factor? It also trines Saturn.

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I wasn't sure if her birth time was correct or not!

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All their birth times are correct. I noticed you still focus more on house overlays? Not that I don't believe in it but I would still like to hear your thoughts on this.

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Very loose square but his Sun in Virgo is square her nodes! Also visually I thought her Saturn was square his nodes for some reason..

I don't think someone has to have a huge presence in another person's life in order for them to have a big shake up effect on someone's emotional framework, you know? Girl A could have had an unsettling effect on him that he may not feel comfortable to admit

Her Psych on his Pluto, her Chiron on his SN, Sun on his ASC, Moon on his DSC.. definitely I see a lasting impression being made here

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6° square between his Sun and her Nodes and it didn't show up in the aspects table so I guess it's considered out of orb. Her Saturn is at 2° Cancer and his NN is 15° Libra so this is definitely out. Instead, he and gal B has Saturn square Nodes at 1° orb and I'm curious why you didn't mention it?

Gal A may have made an impression but huge presence? No. I kinda find these 2 different things. When someone makes an impression on me, I remember them for whatever they did. That's it. But for someone to have a huge presence in my life, they must've been constantly there impacting & affecting me.

posted December 10, 2019 11:37 AM              

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Why do you say? Normally I would equate Venus in the 1st with Arian traits

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Signs and Houses are not the same thing.

Basically, Venus in the 1st just means that Venus is particularly powerful/highlighted in her chart and psyche. While I haven't looked at her chart yet, just knowing this, I know it's likely that Venus is the strongest Planet in her chart.

If she had gotten a Life Reading from Edgar Cayce, Cayce's guidance would have likely have said that her Soul entered into this physical Earth dimension from the nonphysical dimension that Venus represents/symbolizes and correlates with.

As to my own explorations and communications with guidance, the nonophysical dimension that Venus correlates to is the dimension where indivduals get along very well with each other, in a kind, giving, friendly way, and it's also the level that corresponds to what I call "beginner guides" or guides in initial stages of training. Individuals focused here, tend to hold onto some of the more pleasant aspects of Earth/human life, including the perception of one's looks (in the youthful or best looking stage), one's gender (if they mostly identified with it), and romantic, couple love. It's basically like Earth/humans but at a faster rate of vibration and more positive and harmonious.

It's a level of harmony and love, but not super expanded and super universal yet. A bit more attuned to "personal love" that is more based on "Like attracts, begets, resonates with, and likes Like", rather than the deep knowingness and experience of full Oneness.

With Libra Moon and Venus in the 7th, when it comes to life partners, I'm very attracted to predominant Venusians, which is probably why I married one--someone with Venus in her 1st and with her chart ruler in Libra. Thank goodness she has Venus in the 1st, because with all the Fire, and Masculine Signs, strongly highlighted in her chart, she would be way too lopsided to the Yang for my tastes. I tend to be most attracted to women like myself in that there is a good blend/balance between the inner Yin/Yang in them.

posted December 10, 2019 11:43 AM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Why do you say? Normally I would equate Venus in the 1st with Arian traits

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posted December 10, 2019 12:01 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Honestly I was just giving these charts a cursory glance based on the questions asked, it wasn't going to be a full detailed chart analysis. There's only a 12 minute difference between when you posted and when I responded so I wasn't going to be catching every little detail.

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I understand you can't possibly scan in detail, just that in my first reply I'd already offered the info - that he and gal B has Saturn square Nodes, not with gal A, but you didn't address it that's why I said I'm curious why. You mentioned karmic contact so I'll like to know more because with gal B, Saturn square Nodes is repeated in their composite. They also have synastry Nodes square IC/MC.

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I think our definitions on "huge presence" is just different - there's someone I met 5 years ago and while we only talk once a year I still feel like they made a massive impact on my life and I still feel their presence with me when I make certain decisions (I have a pretty Neptunian chart though). That's just how I use the phrase

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posted December 10, 2019 11:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
Thanks, Bismarck2. This is what I thought too... and her Sag Moon matches his 7H Jupiter and conjunct his ASC so bringing the energy to his face.

Besides what you said about her Venus in 1st, her Moon in 7th also has similarities with his Libra Moon in terms of their love for partnerships.

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posted December 10, 2019 11:19 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Why do you say? Normally I would equate Venus in the 1st with Arian traits

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posted December 10, 2019 11:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
Make no mistake however, the first girl is also a good match, but I do understand why the second edges her out.

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posted December 11, 2019 01:26 AM            

That said, I've also had Venus-Mars, Sun-Moon, Venus-Pluto with people I don't like romantically. I think attraction is more than that. How do you see that gal B is physically more his type? 'Personality' isn't a physical attribute.

As for overlays... he and gal B do have more planets falling in each other's romantic/intimate houses while not much with gal A. Also, I'm not sure how he feels putting his Moon 8th ruler (+Pluto which is tied to his Moon) in her 12H and she puts her Mercury (which is the energy he seeks based on his DSC) in his 12H. Kinda feel like these energies got suppressed. Gal A has said that while she finds him good looking, they didn't feel a connection. He also said he finds her sexy but nothing more, so it sounds like the physical attraction is more between him and gal A.

As for declinations with gal A:
Her Sun/Venus/Lilith parallel his ASC, contra-parallel his Jupiter
Her Moon parallel his Mars
Her Mars parallel his Pluto/Vertex
Her Saturn parallel his Jupiter/DSC
Her Vertex parallel his Psyche
Her DSC parallel his MC
Her SN parallel his Mars
Her Juno contra-parallel his Venus/Saturn, parallel his Uranus
His Neptune parallel her IC

With Gal B:
His Vertex parallel her IC
Her Moon parallel his ASC/Neptune
Her Sun parallel his Venus/Saturn
Her Mars parallel his Juno
Her Jupiter parallel his Sun
Her Saturn parallel his DSC/Mars/Jupiter
Her Uranus parallel his IC, contra-parallel his Anti-Vertex
Her NN parallel his Neptune
Her Vertex parallel his Psyche
Her Juno parallel his MC/Vertex
Her Eros contra-parallel his Venus/Saturn, parallel his Uranus
Her Psyche contra-parallel his Juno
Her Lilith contra-parallel his Psyche

And I don't know whether you consider this... her Lilith/Anti-Vertex parallel his 5th cusp.

posted December 11, 2019 02:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
^ I'm not sure using celebrity examples is a good gauge (haha) as you don't know them personally so IF your sister ever get a chance to know him, she may not like him anymore, while you the other way round. Few celebrities present their real selves to the public.

That said, I've also had Venus-Mars, Sun-Moon, Venus-Pluto with people I don't like romantically. I think attraction is more than that. How do you see that gal B is physically more his type? 'Personality' isn't a physical attribute.

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Learn about specific physical characteristics of each sign(and nakshatras).

When assessing someone's "type," we should look at their 5th/7th/8th houses. Also, we need to understand that people don't think in terms of "energy." Those energies translate into thoughts, beliefs and preferences.

For example, I'm a Gemini ASC with DSC in Sag. Physically-speaking, what does this mean? It means I like legs, and that my eyes tend to gravitate to a woman's lower body. My jupiter is conjunct mars in the 12th, in Gemini, meaning I usually go for women with extremely powerful legs. In the 12th, usually means large eyes.

Read this to understand which body parts are governed by which zodiac signs: http://bigastrology.com/2012/07/11/zodiac-signs-human-body-and-disease/

posted December 11, 2019 03:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
Learn about specific physical characteristics of each sign(and nakshatras).

When assessing someone's "type," we should look at their 5th/7th/8th houses. Also, we need to understand that people don't think in terms of "energy." Those energies translate into thoughts, beliefs and preferences.

For example, I'm a Gemini ASC with DSC in Sag. Physically-speaking, what does this mean? It means I like legs, and that my eyes tend to gravitate to a woman's lower body. My jupiter is conjunct mars in the 12th, in Gemini, meaning I usually go for women with extremely powerful legs. In the 12th, usually means large eyes.

Read this to understand which body parts are governed by which zodiac signs: http://bigastrology.com/2012/07/11/zodiac-signs-human-body-and-disease/

About nakshatras/1st house planets and appearance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHAYYiqAD2Q&list=PLMkuwr0afTPh2mBkllXNJQr2h5IZBJr-Q

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Yes, I agree we should look at their 5/7/8 houses. I pay particular attention to his Mars as it rules his 5th and sits in his 8th so anyone who touches his Mars strongly will definitely attract him. So I noticed that his Mars is hardly aspected by gal A's planets except conjunct her Saturn square her Pluto. Just talking about major aspects here... Saturn/Pluto also don't rule her r/s houses so attraction significance isn't there. His 7th ruler Mercury touched her Moon/Mercury/Neptune all in squares. Again these planets don't rule any of her r/s houses except Mercury which rules her 8th and square contacts are friction. However, his 8th ruler Moon receives more and nicer aspects from her planets (sextile Sun trine Moon/Jupiter conjunct Pluto/Uranus) plus she has Saturn/Moon in his 7th and Mars in his 5th but all in all, perhaps not enough to really attract him to chase her.

I also have a Sag DSC and I like tall guys. What would you say of this guy then? He likes a gal with nice shoulders?

posted December 11, 2019 05:34 AM            

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Yes, I agree we should look at their 5/7/8 houses. I pay particular attention to his Mars as it rules his 5th and sits in his 8th so anyone who touches his Mars strongly will definitely attract him. So I noticed that his Mars is hardly aspected by gal A's planets except conjunct her Saturn square her Pluto. Just talking about major aspects here... Saturn/Pluto also don't rule her r/s houses so attraction significance isn't there. His 7th ruler Mercury touched her Moon/Mercury/Neptune all in squares. Again these planets don't rule any of her r/s houses except Mercury which rules her 8th and square contacts are friction. However, his 8th ruler Moon receives more and nicer aspects from her planets (sextile Sun trine Moon/Jupiter conjunct Pluto/Uranus) plus she has Saturn/Moon in his 7th and Mars in his 5th but all in all, perhaps not enough to really attract him to chase her.

I also have a Sag DSC and I like tall guys. What would you say of this guy then? He likes a gal with nice shoulders?

That's a very interesting video on 1H appearance. On sidereal, Gal B has Sun at 13°42' Aries (Bharani) and Venus in 1H. I kinda got lost with all the vedic names and she speaks so fast... Is she saying that people with their luminaries & ASC in these placements have the Venusian attributes she describes?

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Yes, that's what she's saying. Every nakshatra has a plantery-ruler. Your appearance is determined by a combination of your ASC, its ruler, planets in the ASC, the Sun and Moon.

Geminis are known for their youthfulness. Probably likes petite women, unless he gravitates more towards the ruler of his 7th in Virgo. In which case, he probably likes lean women who eat healthy.

His 5th house in Aries probably means he likes physically active women, and his 8th house in Cancer means he probably likes big breasts.

Just speculating.

posted December 11, 2019 05:48 AM            

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Originally posted by AnastasiyaEnchanted:
Honestly, even though I do believe in astrology and think it is a wonderful tool, I have not seen anyone mention that attraction is not just 100% synastry but also includes other human qualities such as kindness, being a good person, outlook on life, and just the general energy of a person. I am not saying girl A is not a good person, but it could be that the guy saw some qualities in girl B that cannot be described astrologically.

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posted December 11, 2019 08:10 AM              

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Do you think astrology is incapable of telling you about these qualities of a person?

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Wouldn't use the word incapable, but the caveat is that it's capable as long as a person is sticking to the script so to speak. But, spiritual will is ever the wild card factor and patterns in the chart can be changed.

I spent a long time developing a rather different perspective of astrology that relates it to the glands (related to what some call "chakras"), aura colors, and energetic/consciousness/vibrational levels, and this kind of astrological perspective can indeed tell if a person is likely a immature Soul, a middle aged Soul, or an older Soul.

But again, that is without the wildcard factor of spiritual will. It's also highly relative and complicated to read. One must have a very good ability of looking at both the forest and the individual trees at the same time. Aura reading is much more accurate than natal chart because it includes all the "updates" that spiritual will has potentially inputted.