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Topic: He‘s not that into me.. can you see why?
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 26854 From: Here Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 27, 2019 01:33 PM
I edited out my long post yesterday, for privacy reasons, but also because the guy I was talking about, ruined it again with one email. I don't think our pattern is ever going to change, even though when he's good, he's *really* good.Ana bee - he has something like six chart placements in common with, or similar to my father. Sun and Moon in Taurus, Mercury in Aries, Venus in Pisces, Venus and Jupiter aspecting each other (although his conjunction is really wide). Plus a fire sign ascendant. I was creeped out when I first realized that, years ago. My dad is the best man I've ever known, though, and I think he is kind of a healthier version of the guy I mentioned. He's fun, he's stable, he works damned hard to look after his family. He took such good care of my sick mother, that she said to him at one time, "I've never loved you more." So I would be extremely lucky to find someone like my dad. IP: Logged |
ana_bee Knowflake Posts: 624 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted December 27, 2019 02:58 PM
@teasel In which way is your answer now related to my thread? I don’t understand. IP: Logged |
sassaqua Knowflake Posts: 1350 From: Oz Registered: May 2011
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posted December 31, 2019 06:22 AM
Saturn square Venus is crappy as anything and yep a killer imo.Mars as well? Then DW crappy. I cannot see the chart images to get degrees. Also, familial you say? Houses matter - eg, any 4H action? Otherwise though, Saturn can be that parental/older brother vibe. If there are easy aspects in other places, that nice vibe will be there, but Saturn (square Venus) will stop it going over to romance, and instead, convert these good vibes into that parental relating. Remembering that Saturn is glue. So, it wants to stick but has to renegotiate the terms of the relationship when it's not connecting romatically (square Venus).
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 26854 From: Here Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 31, 2019 12:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by ana_bee: @teasel In which way is your answer now related to my thread? I don’t understand.
I had edited out a long post, in which I described how things were going with a guy in my life - then out of my life, then back into my life. We have a similar composite. A decade ago, he initially denied feelings, but he was the one who kept contacting me. It really messed with my head. Then he wanted a relationship, when I was over it all. We cut contact for seven/eight years, then he pops up again this year, thinking I might be "the one". I said I didn't think so, sorry, and after a few months, we cut contact again. Three weeks ago, he emails me, telling me he loves me, and sounding really serious, but also sweet. Over a week ago, I started to cave a bit, but the usual pattern is playing out, so it isn't going to happen. I'm sorry, I can't remember what I said to you personally. I might have saved my post in my email. I'll try to remember to check later on. IP: Logged |
Plut0nian2 Knowflake Posts: 1182 From: Registered: Apr 2014
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posted January 02, 2020 03:26 PM
Hi OP, you seem so sweet it's probably your Pisces Sun and Mercury conjuncting my moon and trining my Sun and ASC, but unfortunately once more I agree with sasaqua I've read just a little bit of the first reply and I'm truly unable to see how this synastry might be considered good unless I'm looking at a completely wrong one. Just by what you say in your OP I immediately thought of incompatible Moon signs and hard Saturn-Moon/Venus/Mars aspects. Saturn is given many credits he doesn't deserve imo, Saturn hard aspects can block a relationship from happening altogether. That's how it works in all my experiences both personal and not. Saturn-Mars is one of the worst synastry aspects for me, along with Saturn-Moon. Just like you I have no major Saturn aspects in my chart which makes it even more difficult to handle the energy. Especially since you have so many Uranus (soft and hard) natal aspects. The Venus and Mars square Sun may create for you sparkles but in the long run it won't be good since there are no other major helpful aspects. Moon is where we feel like home, when Moon signs are incompatible you don't feel comfortable with the other person and it's worse when you live under the same roof. I can't say anything about the composite because I don't have experience at all. IP: Logged |
ChildofVenus Knowflake Posts: 6318 From: Customer Service Rep. Registered: Apr 2015
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posted January 02, 2020 07:38 PM
Plut0nian2: I’ve read that Mars/Saturn is an aspect shown in marriages. And Moon conjunct Saturn as well. People always say you need hard Saturn aspects for a relationship to last. I know having incompatible Moon signs can be bad. I’m currently going through it right now. The person’s Moon is in the same sign as my Sun though so maybe that helps. I don’t really know at this point.IP: Logged |
Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 3852 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted January 02, 2020 11:00 PM
I've encountered many times how incompatible Moons can present difficulties when in very close/intimate relationships. You may not clash majorly but emotional disconnect will be obvious. Resentment may breed. My bro has a Pisces Moon and my Mom has a Gemini Moon. They get along generally but cannot connect. He feels that my mom always hurts his feelings unintentionally and brings his mood down (Pisces is sensitive after all!). When you're feeling vulnerable and want someone to comfort/counsel/support/encourage you, that's when the effects of harmonious vs disharmonious Moons will really show. That's at least in my experience. My Saturn square my guy's Moon but his Moon also sextile my Moon. When he's upset he'll vent it to me. When he's stuck in a decision he'll ask for my advice. His Moon doesn't feel dampen by my Saturn. Instead, he says he always feels better after talking to me. Moon also represent habits. I'm a Sag Moon who recently travelled with a Virgo Moon for the first time. I couldn't stand her living habits and how she's easily irritated by everything and her need to make sure everything is perfect/straight/right to the cent. Haha... Good thing we're just friends. 😭 IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 26854 From: Here Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 02, 2020 11:17 PM
I have incompatible moon signs with the guy I mentioned, too, but his moon is in a wide conjunction with my sun (I think - I'm Aries, he's at the very beginning of Taurus). His Sun/Moon are conjunct my descendant, and we have Mercury conjunct Mercury, so we like to talk to each other, we just don't always gel. IP: Logged |
ChildofVenus Knowflake Posts: 6318 From: Customer Service Rep. Registered: Apr 2015
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posted January 02, 2020 11:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by Hikaru29: I've encountered many times how incompatible Moons can present difficulties when in very close/intimate relationships. You may not clash majorly but emotional disconnect will be obvious. Resentment may breed. My bro has a Pisces Moon and my Mom has a Gemini Moon. They get along generally but cannot connect. He feels that my mom always hurts his feelings unintentionally and brings his mood down (Pisces is sensitive after all!). When you're feeling vulnerable and want someone to comfort/counsel/support/encourage you, that's when the effects of harmonious vs disharmonious Moons will really show. That's at least in my experience. My Saturn square my guy's Moon but his Moon also sextile my Moon. When he's upset he'll vent it to me. When he's stuck in a decision he'll ask for my advice. His Moon doesn't feel dampen by my Saturn. Instead, he says he always feels better after talking to me. Moon also represent habits. I'm a Sag Moon who recently travelled with a Virgo Moon for the first time. I couldn't stand her living habits and how she's easily irritated by everything and her need to make sure everything is perfect/straight/right to the cent. Haha... Good thing we're just friends. 😭
Yeah this is how I’m starting to feel about the Taurus Moon guy. I don’t know if he feels comfortable with me emotionally.. Do you think 3rd house overlays would help with incompatible Moon signs? Like if one persons Moon is in the other person’s 3rd house?
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Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 3852 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted January 03, 2020 11:59 AM
^ How will 3rd house help?IP: Logged |
Plut0nian2 Knowflake Posts: 1182 From: Registered: Apr 2014
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posted January 03, 2020 11:59 AM
quote: Originally posted by ChildofVenus: Plut0nian2: I’ve read that Mars/Saturn is an aspect shown in marriages. And Moon conjunct Saturn as well. People always say you need hard Saturn aspects for a relationship to last. I know having incompatible Moon signs can be bad. I’m currently going through it right now. The person’s Moon is in the same sign as my Sun though so maybe that helps. I don’t really know at this point.
It always depends on each person's natal chart and the rest of the synastry aspects. In this case the OP not only lacks Saturn aspects and earthy signs but she has lots of Uranian aspects too. I have a similar pattern in my chart no Saturn aspects, no earth signs, some Uranus hard asoects and a mix of heavy water and fire. It's bad when I'm Saturn because gradually I lose respect for the way the planet person expresses himself, it's bad when I'm the planet because I feel like I'm suffocating. In both cases it feels like there is something blocking our way. My longest lasting relationships (I'm talking about friendships mainly) are with people wth whom we have no Saturn aspects at all, but we have Uranus ones, in theory just thisnlast sentence doesn't make sense, but if you take inti consideration our natal charts it makes perfect sense. Couples who have been together for years may have many reasons for it other than love. In this day and age a breakup isn't shameful, we have many options, we can really meet someone before marrying him/her, things in the past weren't this easy. Do you feel an emotional disconnection with that person? Also Moon-Mercury and Mercury-Mercury aspects are way too underated. IP: Logged |
ChildofVenus Knowflake Posts: 6318 From: Customer Service Rep. Registered: Apr 2015
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posted January 03, 2020 12:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by Hikaru29: ^ How will 3rd house help?
Moon in 3rd House Synastry Overlay
The Moon in the partner’s third house of a synastry overlay creates a cooperative and friendly atmosphere for you. If you are the Moon person, you admire the way the third house person goes about their life. The way they do things just feels right to you. Because of this, you’re supportive and encouraging of their priorities. The third house person appreciates this and enjoys your company. If you’re the house person, you find yourself thinking of the Moon person, often. Your relationship is both relaxed and productive. Together, you can get a lot done in both work and play. You don’t irritate each other. You communicate well with each other. Although this synastry overlay is not focused on romance, this friendly and cooperative tone can enhance any relationship. IP: Logged |
Plut0nian2 Knowflake Posts: 1182 From: Registered: Apr 2014
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posted January 03, 2020 12:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by teasel: I have incompatible moon signs with the guy I mentioned, too, but his moon is in a wide conjunction with my sun (I think - I'm Aries, he's at the very beginning of Taurus). His Sun/Moon are conjunct my descendant, and we have Mercury conjunct Mercury, so we like to talk to each other, we just don't always gel.
Mercury-Mercury and Mercury Moon aspects are very underated. I've always experienced what you do with that guy but with Venus instead of Moon. Venus in Capricorn inconjucts my Leo Venus but falls in my 7th H. Let me tell you I feel way more compatible with Capoy Venus guys than I will ever feel with any Sag/Aries/Libra/Gemini Venus guy. It feels theoritically wrong but I'm very incompatible with the Venus signs I mentioned even though they make nice aspects to my natal Venus, Mars and Jupiter. How do you feel about this guy compared to other guys whose Moon signs were compatible with yours? IP: Logged |
Plut0nian2 Knowflake Posts: 1182 From: Registered: Apr 2014
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posted January 03, 2020 12:40 PM
quote: Originally posted by Hikaru29: Moon also represent habits. I'm a Sag Moon who recently travelled with a Virgo Moon for the first time. I couldn't stand her living habits and how she's easily irritated by everything and her need to make sure everything is perfect/straight/right to the cent.
This. It's really important when you want to stay under the same roof. IP: Logged |
ChildofVenus Knowflake Posts: 6318 From: Customer Service Rep. Registered: Apr 2015
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posted January 03, 2020 12:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by Plut0nian2: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Hikaru29: [b]Moon also represent habits. I'm a Sag Moon who recently travelled with a Virgo Moon for the first time. I couldn't stand her living habits and how she's easily irritated by everything and her need to make sure everything is perfect/straight/right to the cent.
This. It's really important when you want to stay under the same roof. [/B][/QUOTE] But what if you have 4th house overlays?
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ChildofVenus Knowflake Posts: 6318 From: Customer Service Rep. Registered: Apr 2015
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posted January 03, 2020 12:47 PM
quote: Originally posted by Plut0nian2: It always depends on each person's natal chart and the rest of the synastry aspects. In this case the OP not only lacks Saturn aspects and earthy signs but she has lots of Uranian aspects too. I have a similar pattern in my chart no Saturn aspects, no earth signs, some Uranus hard asoects and a mix of heavy water and fire. It's bad when I'm Saturn because gradually I lose respect for the way the planet person expresses himself, it's bad when I'm the planet because I feel like I'm suffocating. In both cases it feels like there is something blocking our way. My longest lasting relationships (I'm talking about friendships mainly) are with people wth whom we have no Saturn aspects at all, but we have Uranus ones, in theory just thisnlast sentence doesn't make sense, but if you take inti consideration our natal charts it makes perfect sense.Couples who have been together for years may have many reasons for it other than love. In this day and age a breakup isn't shameful, we have many options, we can really meet someone before marrying him/her, things in the past weren't this easy. Do you feel an emotional disconnection with that person? Also Moon-Mercury and Mercury-Mercury aspects are way too underated.
Our Venus signs are compatible so I feel love for this person. I know having Moon in Aquarius makes me detached. But because my Moon is aspected in the synastry. I don't feel emotionally detached maybe that's the difference. I feel comfortable expressing my emotions. I have Mercury in Aries in the 8th house. I like Mercury in Sag the most but I feel like I would be compatible with Mercury in Scorpio. IP: Logged |
EmGem Knowflake Posts: 2619 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted January 03, 2020 02:43 PM
Speaking of compatible moons, what about if you have an out of sign moon square at 9 degrees? One person's moon is 1 virgo, the other is 22 scorpio. They're compatible elements. Would it be noticable?! Also the moons are biquintile. And said scorpio moon is conjunct her scoprio asc. IP: Logged |
Plut0nian2 Knowflake Posts: 1182 From: Registered: Apr 2014
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posted January 03, 2020 03:38 PM
quote: Originally posted by ChildofVenus: Our Venus signs are compatible so I feel love for this person. I know having Moon in Aquarius makes me detached. But because my Moon is aspected in the synastry. I don't feel emotionally detached maybe that's the difference. I feel comfortable expressing my emotions. I have Mercury in Aries in the 8th house. I like Mercury in Sag the most but I feel like I would be compatible with Mercury in Scorpio.
See that's why it always depends on the chart, in my case compatible (in theory) Venus signs are the ones I'm most incompatible with and vise versa. Maybe because of your Moon in Aqua you don't have a great need for Moon compabillity since your Moon is naturally more detached. Compared to guys with compatible Moon signs what is the difference for you? I have experienced incompatible Moon sign with someone whose Venus, Mars and Jupiter aspected positevely my Moon, we got along well and I enjoyed our talks and his company in general but I always felt disconnected, like I could never bond with him. He couldn't reach my soul if that makes sense.
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ChildofVenus Knowflake Posts: 6318 From: Customer Service Rep. Registered: Apr 2015
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posted January 03, 2020 04:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by Plut0nian2: See that's why it always depends on the chart, in my case compatible (in theory) Venus signs are the ones I'm most incompatible with and vise versa. Maybe because of your Moon in Aqua you don't have a great need for Moon compabillity since your Moon is naturally more detached. Compared to guys with compatible Moon signs what is the difference for you? I have experienced incompatible Moon sign with someone whose Venus, Mars and Jupiter aspected positevely my Moon, we got along well and I enjoyed our talks and his company in general but I always felt disconnected, like I could never bond with him. He couldn't reach my soul if that makes sense.
It’s hard for me to connect emotionally. Even if the person’s Moon is compatible with mine. Moon conjunct Moon feels like a sibling aspect to me. I need to have my IC activated to feel a connection. What do you think about someone’s Mercury conjunct the other person’s IC? I think that’s similar to Moon/Mercury. Do you feel a connection when someone’s Sun is in the same sign as your Moon? IP: Logged |
Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 3852 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted January 04, 2020 04:05 AM
quote: Originally posted by ChildofVenus: Moon in 3rd House Synastry OverlayThe Moon in the partner’s third house of a synastry overlay creates a cooperative and friendly atmosphere for you. If you are the Moon person, you admire the way the third house person goes about their life. The way they do things just feels right to you. Because of this, you’re supportive and encouraging of their priorities. The third house person appreciates this and enjoys your company. If you’re the house person, you find yourself thinking of the Moon person, often. Your relationship is both relaxed and productive. Together, you can get a lot done in both work and play. You don’t irritate each other. You communicate well with each other. Although this synastry overlay is not focused on romance, this friendly and cooperative tone can enhance any relationship.
The 3rd house is a Gemini house so an overlay here makes for a communicative relationship. It is helpful as in you will wanna talk about your feelings rather than brushing them away but it doesn't erase the fact that your emotional needs and daily habits are different. Did you watch 'The Break-up'? Vince Vaughn completely doesn't know what Jennifer Aniston wants to feel emotionally satisfied in the r/s. When I was watching it I was thinking that's the kinda thing that might happen to a couple with incompatible Moons.
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ChildofVenus Knowflake Posts: 6318 From: Customer Service Rep. Registered: Apr 2015
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posted January 04, 2020 11:55 AM
quote: Originally posted by Hikaru29: The 3rd house is a Gemini house so an overlay here makes for a communicative relationship. It is helpful as in you will wanna talk about your feelings rather than brushing them away but it doesn't erase the fact that your emotional needs and daily habits are different. Did you watch 'The Break-up'? Vince Vaughn completely doesn't know what Jennifer Aniston wants to feel emotionally satisfied in the r/s. When I was watching it I was thinking that's the kinda thing that might happen to a couple with incompatible Moons.
Yeah in this situation it’s not the case for me. As the Aquarius Moon I’m supposed to be detached and not in touch with my feelings. Which would cause conflict between me and the Taurus Moon. But it’s not like that at all I'm open about my feelings and I’m even emotional. I guess it’s different because my Moon in aspected. IP: Logged |
ana_bee Knowflake Posts: 624 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 08, 2020 04:37 PM
quote: Originally posted by Plut0nian2: Hi OP, you seem so sweet it's probably your Pisces Sun and Mercury conjuncting my moon and trining my Sun and ASC, but unfortunately once more I agree with [b]sasaqua I've read just a little bit of the first reply and I'm truly unable to see how this synastry might be considered good unless I'm looking at a completely wrong one. Just by what you say in your OP I immediately thought of incompatible Moon signs and hard Saturn-Moon/Venus/Mars aspects. Saturn is given many credits he doesn't deserve imo, Saturn hard aspects can block a relationship from happening altogether. That's how it works in all my experiences both personal and not. Saturn-Mars is one of the worst synastry aspects for me, along with Saturn-Moon. Just like you I have no major Saturn aspects in my chart which makes it even more difficult to handle the energy. Especially since you have so many Uranus (soft and hard) natal aspects. The Venus and Mars square Sun may create for you sparkles but in the long run it won't be good since there are no other major helpful aspects. Moon is where we feel like home, when Moon signs are incompatible you don't feel comfortable with the other person and it's worse when you live under the same roof. I can't say anything about the composite because I don't have experience at all.[/B]
Hi, thanks for your reply.. I can see what you’re saying.. but other than that, we have an exact Sun/Moon conj and a Moon/Venus conj ! Also all my planets fall into his relationship houses.. our Asc conj Juno DW.. Maybe I should post the charts properly .. can someone tell me what image hosting site you use, so the charts are visible in this forum? Thank you IP: Logged |
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posted January 09, 2020 02:08 AM
upl.co... add an s to "upload" in the forum tag. IP: Logged |