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Topic: Is Heavy Mirroring Also Considered Past Lifetime Karmic Relationships?
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CardinalT-Square
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posted January 12, 2020 05:54 AM
  
I started reading the book from Pauline Stone about Pastlife Karmic Relationships, (I'm not very far into yet, so go easy😀  . She starts off about how "Outer Planets" to "Inner Planets" going both ways in synastry is a sign of karmic pastlives, (Do they have to be the same exact aspect going both ways to count?) She then talks about challenging aspects (Square, Opposition, etc...) as being areas that the pair needs/wants to work on to complete the karmic journey between the pair, I get that, but where does "Mirroring" come into play? What if the pair (me and this girl I've been posting about) have so much mirroring, that we're practically the same person! Is that related to past karma we're trying to work out? How would we even begin to work all this out to advance our soul journey?Thanks! IP: Logged |
Graham
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posted January 12, 2020 06:19 PM
Please give an example of how you and she mirror each other.IP: Logged |
CardinalT-Square
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posted January 13, 2020 12:00 AM
It'll be easier to just show you...  IP: Logged |
Graham
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posted January 13, 2020 02:55 AM
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Please give an example of how you and she mirror each other.
The charts do not help me to comprehend what you mean by "mirroring", CTS. ... Are you referring to traits that you are unaware of in yourself which are being projected onto her (and vice-versa), so each of you become a mirror for the other to see the shadow-self residing in their own subconscious?If so ... Pauline Stone would see the really significant karmic aspect as Your Uranus square her Mercury - and I'd add your Chiron square her Mercury ... But, wider orbs would bring in the other outer-to-inner planet squares and oppositions. (And they do NOT have to be the same exact aspect going both ways to count.) Then ... the mirroring/projecting (within the relationship) of those behavioural traits is just "how squares, oppositions and the 2-series of harmonic aspects tend to manifest".
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How would we even begin to work all this out to advance our soul journey?
In any relationship ... if the two people care enough about each other, they work to resolve the issues as (and when) they arise - no matter how painful it might be for either or both to do.For some people though ... the soul journey involves recognising the "irreconcilable differences" in each other; decoupling and entering into a relationship in which each partner is able to accept the other's right to be different/"themselves". IP: Logged |
CardinalT-Square
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posted January 13, 2020 04:19 AM
I'm not sure what other "Mirroring" their is Graham, but I'm talking about placements like... My Moon square Mars, her Moon is in Aries. My Saturn is in Sagittarius, her Saturn is in her 9th House. Our Ascendants, etc... conjunct. If that's the same as your talking about, projecting our subconscious into each other, then yes, we're on the same page. She's the only person (man or woman) I've ever met, that had so many similar aspects as I have. Not even my own parents are at this level. The way we act/feel when we're around each other, it feels like we've done this for an entire lifetime already. I'm just hoping to piece things together one step-at-a-time as we continue our journey, when we see each other once every so often.IP: Logged |
Graham
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posted January 13, 2020 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by CardinalT-Square:
I'm not sure what other "Mirroring" their is Graham, but I'm talking about placements like... My Moon square Mars, her Moon is in Aries. My Saturn is in Sagittarius, her Saturn is in her 9th House. Our Ascendants, etc... conjunct. If that's the same as your talking about, projecting our subconscious into each other, then yes, we're on the same page. She's the only person (man or woman) I've ever met, that had so many similar aspects as I have. Not even my own parents are at this level. The way we act/feel when we're around each other, it feels like we've done this for an entire lifetime already. I'm just hoping to piece things together one step-at-a-time as we continue our journey, when we see each other once every so often.
We do differ in our use of the term "mirroring" here. I see it as psychological projection of the subconscious shadow-self - whilst (I think) you you see it as being similarities which might indicate 'twin souls/flames".If so though, Pauline Stone's Relationships, Astrology and Karma is claiming only that synastry contacts from outer-to-inner planet/angles contacts are indicators of karma. However, I agree/believe that twin-souls/flames indicators are also likely to be karmic ... and suspect Pauline Stone might do so too. IP: Logged |
CardinalT-Square
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posted January 13, 2020 05:20 PM
Is that psychological relationship you're talking about Graham, is that what a Venus Chiron conjunction is like? We have that in early Virgo, but it's so hard to tell with everything else we have going on, I have zero faith in Chiron at this moment, so I turned it off.Would these issues also POTENTIALLY stem from her Moon square her Uranus/Neptune natally, and then my Moon squares her Uranus/Neptune in Synastry? Then, My Sun squares my Moon natally, and her Moon squares my Sun in synastry, going the other way. I can see our incomplete Grand-Cross causing lots of issues/challenges/excitement, for us, but yet it's still hot! IP: Logged |
Graham
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posted January 14, 2020 02:46 AM
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Is that "psychological projection" involved in a Venus Chiron conjunction?
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We have that in early Virgo, but it's so hard to tell with everything else we have going on, I have zero faith in Chiron at this moment, so I turned it off.
This is actually a contact from her Chiron to your Venus-Saturn square.So, Your natal square might (for example) make you "suspicious of anyone that shows more than a passing interest in you" (from You Can Change Your Life, by Russell Grant). Her Chiron Wound might (for example) make her feel that her 3rd-house communication skills need some Virgo "fixing" (from Chiron, by Martin Lass). If she then projects her Chiron onto you, your suspicion of the motives of others becomes the issue which she (correctly, and clearly) sees as needing to be fixed. ... And, if you are also projecting your Saturn onto her, you (correctly, and clearly) perceive her to be using you as a (not needed) communication aid/crutch. But ... look then at what is happening with your Chiron-Uranus opposition and her Mercury-Uranus/Neptune trine. ... Might that be flagging up a "she's ok, you're not ok" psychological issue ( that you are now handling by "turning off Chiron"?) IP: Logged |
Graham
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posted January 14, 2020 03:28 AM
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Would these issues also POTENTIALLY stem from her Moon square her Uranus/Neptune natally, and then my Moon squares her Uranus/Neptune in Synastry?
Her Moon makes a 18th harmonic aspect with her Uranus/Neptune - indicating competence/optimism, rather than the difficulty/effort created by squares.
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Then, My Sun squares my Moon natally, and her Moon squares my Sun in synastry, going the other way.
Your Sun makes a 60H aspect to your Moon - indicating expertise, rather than difficulty/effort.Her Moon also makes a 60H aspect to your Sun. quote:
I can see our incomplete Grand-Cross causing lots of issues/challenges/excitement, for us, but yet it's still hot!
That apparent Grand-Cross is a competence-square ... So, no surprise that it is exciting/hot - but these are not contacts that will be creating issues/challenges.
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CardinalT-Square
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posted January 14, 2020 06:46 AM
From what universe are you from?😆 I've never heard interpretations like these before, but I like'em😀 How so is our Grand-Cross "Compenent", but not challenging and what do you mean by that? I thought squares, oppositions, and sometimes conjunctions were areas we need to work on in the present lifetime "Unfinished Buisness/Karmic"? How is My natal Sun and Moon square considered "Expertise"? Why would her Moon square my Sun also be considered an expertise aspect? And what about all that Uranus between our charts, isn't that going to cause a lot of dissruptions/push-pulling? Please elaberate as much as possible, now I'm curious about everything you just posted😆😁 IP: Logged |
Graham
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posted January 14, 2020 01:12 PM
All I have done is to point out that these wide-orb squares are actually close-orb harmonic aspects - and those harmonic aspects indicate competence rather than difficulty.IP: Logged | |
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