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CuriousV
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posted January 27, 2020 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi All!

Would you please let me know your thoughts about our synastry.

I am in blue and he is in red.

Thank you!!

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Stoika7
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posted January 27, 2020 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi CuriousV,
you have a very strong psychic aspect with this person, his Vertex is conjunct your Uranus square to his Mercury and his Jupiter/Neptune square to your Mercury, this might weirdly let you read their mind but at the same time you might have verbal disagreements and misunderstandings... There are some lovely aspects such as venus/ceres trine Mercury/Saturn, Juno conjunct ASC and Moon trine Saturn, Jupiter trine Jupiter, so there is a romantic feeling with pleasant time together, but there are also some strong divisive aspects such as Saturn square Jupiter and your nodes square his Neptune, so things dont look so stable and with big potential for long term... if you want to post a Composite I can look at it furtherly... from the synastry I have the impression it all looks more like an affectionate friendship... he seems to be fascinated by you with Jupiter/Neptune conjunct to your ASC opposite Juno, but with his Saturn quincunx your Neptune I'm not sure he's going to commit.

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posted January 27, 2020 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoInScorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stoika,

why do you consider Jupiter square a strong divisive aspect? I thought of it in less harsh terms.

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posted January 27, 2020 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PlutoInScorpio:
Stoika,

why do you consider Jupiter square a strong divisive aspect? I thought of it in less harsh terms.


Cause saturn square to jupiter is usually a very unstable trait and it can also point to potential break up, in synastry it suggests that there are differences in how the two people deal with the relationship, in this case Jupiter is not so "happy", so to say...

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posted January 28, 2020 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoInScorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Cause saturn square to jupiter is usually a very unstable trait and it can also point to potential break up, in synastry it suggests that there are differences in how the two people deal with the relationship, in this case Jupiter is not so "happy", so to say...

I see. Do you think is an irreversible aspect, or can it be toned down by others 'good' aspects?

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posted January 28, 2020 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Hi CuriousV,
you have a very strong psychic aspect with this person, his Vertex is conjunct your Uranus square to his Mercury and his Jupiter/Neptune square to your Mercury, this might weirdly let you read their mind but at the same time you might have verbal disagreements and misunderstandings... There are some lovely aspects such as venus/ceres trine Mercury/Saturn, Juno conjunct ASC and Moon trine Saturn, Jupiter trine Jupiter, so there is a romantic feeling with pleasant time together, but there are also some strong divisive aspects such as Saturn square Jupiter and your nodes square his Neptune, so things dont look so stable and with big potential for long term... if you want to post a Composite I can look at it furtherly... from the synastry I have the impression it all looks more like an affectionate friendship... he seems to be fascinated by you with Jupiter/Neptune conjunct to your ASC opposite Juno, but with his Saturn quincunx your Neptune I'm not sure he's going to commit.

Thank you so much for your input, Stoika!

Our Composite chart is below.

I was wondering if you think these aspects (below) would add a positive spin on the longevity of the relationship?

Sun trine Saturn
My Sun in his 4th H
My Moon in his 8th H
My Venus in his 5th


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posted January 28, 2020 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Hi CuriousV,

... from the synastry I have the impression it all looks more like an affectionate friendship...


Do you feel that these are not hot enough aspects to make this relationship to be more than just a friendship?

Sun conjunct Lilith
Uranus conj Pluto
Mars conj Neptune
Mars sextile Pluto
Mars trine Sun

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posted January 28, 2020 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the Composite!

It shows that there is a very strong harmony and potential love bond, the stellium with Sun/Venus/Neptune looks quite romantic and with two people emotionally on the same page, likely falling in love with each other like in a romantic movie, and the North Node conjunct MC even suggests it is very favourable for marriage, despite the "weak" synastry. Also, the Pluto/Jupiter conjunction in the 7th house is empowering the sense of the union, sextile to NN/Neptune the feeling here is that you have found the perfect mate and that you can accomplish great things together. But the Vertex on the DSC and Ceres in the 12th house square Neptune and Venus shows that something at the intimate and more earthly level might be hindered for some reason... in fact, Saturn in 4th house is square to Pluto/Jupiter and this is an harsh aspect that might prevent things to work out and making everything very uncertain with Saturn quincunx NN/MC and neptune square ASC ... this might even point to environmental issues, or actual from different life goals that in the long run might become divisive. Chiron is also in the second house Aries, opposite Uranus, so this looks like, again, that something in the foundation of the relationship is missing, or future long terms plans of your life together might be hard to achieve... so despite the good harmony and affection and likely romantic feelings, there's something unstable or missing here... This could be also a relationship that works on long terms but that will have to face all sorts of material/"earthly" difficulties, such as economic/professional ones, that might give instability as if the relationship is not well supported by external factors...

is this a relationship that has just started? How do you feel about it ?

Those aspects you mention
Sun conjunct Lilith
Uranus conj Pluto
Mars conj Neptune
Mars sextile Pluto
Mars trine Sun
shows that there is a lovely harmony, but they're not so strong as Sun/Moon, Venus/Moon or /Mars, Saturn/Moon, and so on... also the house overlay is potentially not enough for great compatibility, but of course there are other nice aspects that can replace the basic ones, the fact is that they can work well especially in friendship so a strong compatibility for romance is hard to tell here... (in synastry).

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posted January 28, 2020 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PlutoInScorpio:
I see. Do you think is an irreversible aspect, or can it be toned down by others 'good' aspects?

In synastry, I think it is not as bad as in Composite, if there are other favourble aspects, so it can give some differences in the two people's attitude, habits or in how they deal with the relationship, little disagreements and so on... In Composite it usually points to a difficult committment and it makes the whole picture more unstable even when there are very good aspects.

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posted January 29, 2020 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Thanks for the Composite!

It shows that there is a very strong harmony and potential love bond, the stellium with Sun/Venus/Neptune looks quite romantic and with two people emotionally on the same page, likely falling in love with each other like in a romantic movie, and the North Node conjunct MC even suggests it is very favourable for marriage, despite the "weak" synastry. Also, the Pluto/Jupiter conjunction in the 7th house is empowering the sense of the union, sextile to NN/Neptune the feeling here is that you have found the perfect mate and that you can accomplish great things together. But the Vertex on the DSC and Ceres in the 12th house square Neptune and Venus shows that something at the intimate and more earthly level might be hindered for some reason... in fact, Saturn in 4th house is square to Pluto/Jupiter and this is an harsh aspect that might prevent things to work out and making everything very uncertain with Saturn quincunx NN/MC and neptune square ASC ... this might even point to environmental issues, or actual from different life goals that in the long run might become divisive. Chiron is also in the second house Aries, opposite Uranus, so this looks like, again, that something in the foundation of the relationship is missing, or future long terms plans of your life together might be hard to achieve... so despite the good harmony and affection and likely romantic feelings, there's something unstable or missing here... This could be also a relationship that works on long terms but that will have to face all sorts of material/"earthly" difficulties, such as economic/professional ones, that might give instability as if the relationship is not well supported by external factors...

is this a relationship that has just started? How do you feel about it ?

Those aspects you mention
Sun conjunct Lilith
Uranus conj Pluto
Mars conj Neptune
Mars sextile Pluto
Mars trine Sun
shows that there is a lovely harmony, but they're not so strong as Sun/Moon, Venus/Moon or /Mars, Saturn/Moon, and so on... also the house overlay is potentially not enough for great compatibility, but of course there are other nice aspects that can replace the basic ones, the fact is that they can work well especially in friendship so a strong compatibility for romance is hard to tell here... (in synastry).


Thank you so much Stoika!

Yes, this is a new thing. We've only seen each other like 5 times...seeing each other again tomorrow. I feel good about it, I like being around him. It feels very easy and effortless. He is very easy going and chill, funny, good listener, etc. He invited me to a friend's party last week so I already met some of his friends. We haven't been intimate yet but I know that it's important to him (and for me too but I just want for us to get to know each other more before we become intimate). He is in the stage of finalizing his divorce and from the sound of it, it was a very difficult and exhausting marriage for him - no sex, compounding debts due to his ex unlimited spending, etc. They have twins together. That was also something that was a very difficult thing as she couldn't get preggo for a very long time and as he put it, it was more of a burden than an enjoyment to finally have those kids as they spent like hundred grand on that process.

I think what you are describing from our chart in terms of having some sort of difficulties or factors that can be divisive between us in a long run, makes sense. He has huge apprehension about getting married again and doesn't really feel like he needs to have another kid. I, on the other hand, would like to get married and have a child. It's not an ultimate goal of mine but ideally, I would like that. He knows. And he says that a part of him doesn't want to go that route again after everything he has been through in 15 years of his marriage but another part of him wants to find that person he could be in love with. He says he was never in love with his ex, it was more of a "I guess it's time to get married and she is a good woman" type of decision.

So that is why I posted here. I really like him and how things are when we are together. The harmony is there. The attraction and chemistry are there. Complete openness. I don't feel like he is hiding something or misleading me. We are pretty transparent with each other about our current situation and what we want. But the fact that he is so uneasy about getting married and having kids again (which it totally understandable) makes me stop and think if I should continue investing into this relationship...

Do you feel that having Saturn Pluto/Jupiter square and Chiron opp Uranus are pretty significant indicators of him not being able or wanting to be in a committed relationship with me? Are there any other aspects or maybe a chart with transits that would give a clearer picture of how things could possibly unfold?

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posted January 29, 2020 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for the detailed explanation of the context!
Saturn square Jupiter gives an unstable trait to the relationship, even though it is a little wide, and Pluto square Saturn is more of a concern since this points to obstacles or clash of wills, since the midpoint is conjunct Lilith but square to Mars and given the context, I suspect that such obstacles would come from his part, triggered by subconscious fears of committment. Yes he's not misleading you and the North Node conjunct MC actually point to the possibility of a long term relationship, this is quincunx to Saturn, which is a challenging aspect that can be worked through, so it would take time and patience before things can take a clear direction here... main concern is Neptune square ASC, since this is an aspect that can keep you in the fog in a stressful way... and with Vertex on the ASC and square to MC, there's a strong sense of fate about something hindering the relationship to take off the ground or take a clear direction in the long run.
Given these aspects, I would suggest to not have big future expectations since the start, take it step by step and see how things develope.
Keep me updated :-)

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posted January 29, 2020 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...transiting Nodes are square to Composite Pluto in 7th house sextile NN/MC at this moment, so this likely points to the start of the relationship and also to all the uncertainties with the Saturn square... so this is a crucial moment as the nodal square will leave Pluto and heading to square Jupiter in late april/early may, a time during which either you will better understand his intentions or the possibility that he might withdraw. If he's in, transiting nodes will be square to Comp. Juno at the end of the summer and this would be a favourable time to establish a bond and make things clearer.

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posted January 29, 2020 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CuriousV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are amazing, Stoika. Thanks again for such a detailed interpretation of our charts. Your advice is golden. I will give it a little more time and see if he will want to progress things between us...that's actually the main reason why I don't want to get intimate. No point of sharing my entire soul with him if he is not the guy I am gonna end up with in a long run, for me anyways...

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posted January 29, 2020 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CuriousV:
You are amazing, Stoika. Thanks again for such a detailed interpretation of our charts. Your advice is golden. I will give it a little more time and see if he will want to progress things between us...that's actually the main reason why I don't want to get intimate. No point of sharing my entire soul with him if he is not the guy I am gonna end up with in a long run, for me anyways...

You are so welcome!

I understand, I didnt mean to discourage you at all though, those aspects mainly point to some indecisiveness, probably on his part and from a stressful environmental situation (maybe his kids and ex), but still you have very nice aspects, so I mean that the situation might not be easy and clear at the beginning (unless he withdraws, but I suspect that as transiting nodes hit the Pluto/Jupiter square Saturn, this would happen in short time)... so, without making too many plans for the future right away, I would still give it a chance at the moment :-)

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