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Topic: Is Pluto synastry really that special?
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Librapurr Knowflake Posts: 1583 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted May 09, 2020 12:19 PM
Pluto to sun/ moon / Venus in synastry takes much praise and hate like no other planet. However, for example, with Libra moon, majority of people with Pluto in Libra generation put their Pluto on my moon. So it’s really easy to get somebody’s Pluto touching Libra moon with a lot of people born 1971-1984 running around. Shouldn’t it be a not a big deal and that special then ? (I might feel not comfortable with this generation because of their Pluto...) On the other side, for them Libra moon should be more special since they have less possibilities to run into this moon than me meet Libra Pluto.
Pluto person is considered to have more power and the upper hand in synastry, but majority of generation could overpower a moon? Shouldn’t moon have more power if it’s more rare for Pluto? (Thoughts about Pluto generations and other personal planets are welcomed too) IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 156948 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 10, 2020 06:27 PM
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Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 3734 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted May 11, 2020 01:59 AM
My thoughts are these... and this is really just my personal opinion.Having a Libra Moon puts you in favour (or danger) of a Plutonic connection with a lot of people with Pluto in Libra, but like you said, how can you possibly feel a deep, obsessive, transformative connection with everyone with a Pluto Libra? It makes no sense. Therefore my analysis is that attraction must first come into play, which is shown by your rs houses and angles (ASC/DSC/IC). When these are triggered, you will then feel the Plutonic feelings you read about. If attraction is not activated, these Pluto connections may simply translate to being able to understand each other on a deeper level or the urge to do that (provided that both of you get close enough) w/o the obsessive, transformative qualities. It also depends on how your Moon is aspected in your natal. So I don't think any Tom, Dick or Harry is gonna be able to come mess with your Moon just like that. IP: Logged |
ChildofVenus Knowflake Posts: 5981 From: Customer Service Rep. Registered: Apr 2015
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posted May 11, 2020 08:08 AM
It depends on the natal charts of the two people involved. If your Plutonic or heavy Scorpio you may enjoy Pluto type relationships. You might need that kind of intensity. Everyone is different what maybe important to someone else might not be important to you.People always talk about how Pluto is a generational planet which is true. But you don’t feel the same about everyone who you share a Pluto aspect (Venus/Pluto or Sun/Pluto) with. IP: Logged |
Librapurr Knowflake Posts: 1583 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted May 13, 2020 12:42 PM
I wonder if someone with Scorpio moon in 5th\7th house, or Scorpio DC would be first obsessed with Scorpio Pluto generation, and fall in love with random people often, but later would repel this generation. Or he/she would just get used to this energy and get immunity for it?IP: Logged |
vansio Knowflake Posts: 2239 From: the outskirts of Delphi Registered: Dec 2017
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posted May 13, 2020 09:31 PM
I prefer noooooo Pluto in my relationships—can do bad all by myself 😛 Moon in 8HIP: Logged |
Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 3734 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted May 14, 2020 10:16 AM
quote: Originally posted by Librapurr: My angle is in Libra too 😳 Likely, it’s not in relationship houses. However, maybe, that’s why I generally prefer a different generation. I wonder if someone with Scorpio moon in 5th\7th house, or Scorpio DC would be first obsessed with Scorpio Pluto generation, and fall in love with random people often, but later would repel this generation. Or he/she would just get used to this energy and get immunity for it?
Which angle is in Libra? People with 5th/7th cusps in Scorpio will be attracted to Scorpio/Pluto traits generally. If Moon is in the house, they will be also attracted to Cancerian traits. IP: Logged |
Librapurr Knowflake Posts: 1583 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted May 14, 2020 03:10 PM
quote: Originally posted by Hikaru29: Which angle is in Libra? People with 5th/7th cusps in Scorpio will be attracted to Scorpio/Pluto traits generally. If Moon is in the house, they will be also attracted to Cancerian traits.
I guess they should be attracted to me 😊 I wonder if it would make me easy to be Influenced and manipulated, especially from Pluto Libra generation. I found AC/ moon midpoint interpretation: Since you’re conscious of the strong effect that others have on you, you need to choose carefully who you open up to.
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 156948 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 19, 2020 04:56 PM
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Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 3734 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted May 22, 2020 07:39 AM
quote: Originally posted by Librapurr: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Hikaru29: [b] Which angle is in Libra? People with 5th/7th cusps in Scorpio will be attracted to Scorpio/Pluto traits generally. If Moon is in the house, they will be also attracted to Cancerian traits.
I guess they should be attracted to me with my Scorpio stellium and AC conj. Moon 4 dg. 😊 I wonder if it would make me easy to be Influenced and manipulated, especially from Pluto Libra generation. I found AC/ moon midpoint interpretation: Since you’re conscious of the strong effect that others have on you, you need to choose carefully who you open up to.[/B][/QUOTE] yes, they should be. Who is manipulating who depends on your Pluto aspects but with your Scorpio stellium, you will be attracted to power play.
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NxNW Knowflake Posts: 94 From: northeast, u.s. Registered: May 2020
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posted May 29, 2020 02:15 PM
Well, I am of the Pluto in Libra generation and interestingly enough, a few of my closest friends have Libra moons or Suns. I did our synastry and they're not even in aspect though...I did once have a huge crush on a guy who had a Libra stellium and my Libra Pluto (also Libra Saturn, which are conjunct) made all sorts of aspects to his personal planets. It was awful how crazy I was about this guy! That said, I find myself magnetised to a lot of guys in the Pluto in Scorpio generation, especially if their Scorpio Pluto conjuncts my Scorpio IC....:::shudders::: I try not to think too much about the what-ifs anymore b/c synastry is SO complicated and nuanced. I try to wait until after a few interactions with a person before I start to dissect their astro makeup...😂😂 IP: Logged |
Librapurr Knowflake Posts: 1583 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted May 30, 2020 11:45 AM
quote: Originally posted by Hikaru29: yes, they should be. Who is manipulating who depends on your Pluto aspects but with your Scorpio stellium, you will be attracted to power play.
I think I’m getting over power plays.. Couple times I made deal with Pluto on my moon, it looked more like abuse of power and had some creepy vibes.
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Librapurr Knowflake Posts: 1583 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted May 30, 2020 12:20 PM
quote: Originally posted by NxNW: Well, I am of the Pluto in Libra generation and interestingly enough, a few of my closest friends have Libra moons or Suns. I did our synastry and they're not even in aspect though...I did once have a huge crush on a guy who had a Libra stellium and my Libra Pluto (also Libra Saturn, which are conjunct) made all sorts of aspects to his personal planets. It was awful how crazy I was about this guy! That said, I find myself magnetised to a lot of guys in the Pluto in Scorpio generation, especially if their Scorpio Pluto conjuncts my Scorpio IC....:::shudders::: I try not to think too much about the what-ifs anymore b/c synastry is SO complicated and nuanced. I try to wait until after a few interactions with a person before I start to dissect their astro makeup...😂😂
Maybe, Pluto in the sign would be enough to make you slightly interested, but the tighter orbit is the bigger obsession. But you didn’t stick with that Libra Stellium guy for a long-term because you didn’t have Saturn contacts? (Just checking a theory if Pluto obsession won’t go far without Saturn) “ I find myself magnetised to a lot of guys in the Pluto in Scorpio generation,” This is my big nightmare: I go to a place with a lot of Pluto Libra guys, and get magnetized to all of them. Lol 😊😅 IP: Logged |
NxNW Knowflake Posts: 94 From: northeast, u.s. Registered: May 2020
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posted May 30, 2020 01:22 PM
quote: But you didn’t stick with that Libra Stellium guy for a long-term because you didn’t have Saturn contacts? (Just checking a theory if Pluto obsession won’t go far without Saturn)
We didn't end up in a romantic relationship b/c he was with someone at the time and I never made my deeper feelings known. We did have quite a lot of Saturn contacts though, but that might be why it took SO LONG for me to stop crushing on him as hard as I did (3yrs!).I'm really curious about Saturn as well b/c I currently have a ton of super charged Moon/Mars/Venus/Pluto contacts (tight orbs 1-2) with another Sco Pluto guy (whose Pluto also conjuncts his own Sco moon, which then again makes an exact conj. to my IC - ouch! why does this keep happening?!) and it's so intense that I can't even talk to him. However, his Saturn makes almost no contacts to my planets/nodes/angles (except for an Opp. to my Moon and a quincunx to my Mercury) while my Saturn is all over his. So the lack of Saturn from him worries me b/c I'm afraid if we do get involved, then all the passion will just fizzle out quickly on his side, leaving me sad and emotionally unable to detach easily due to all of my Saturn contacts. And the Neptunian in me would rather float on a cloud of could-have-beens than be faced with the devastation of a Plutonian relationship. IP: Logged |
Librapurr Knowflake Posts: 1583 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted May 30, 2020 11:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by NxNW: And the Neptunian in me would rather float on a cloud of could-have-beens than be faced with the devastation of a Plutonian relationship.
Yep, it probably ruined some of potential relationships for me. Also, I learned highly Scorpio people and Neptunian clouds don’t mix together. In my experience, Scorpio moon prefers drama and complete ruins to Neptune clouds and uncertainty. I lost desire to ride Neptune for a long time after it. No Neptune can protect from Pluto / Saturn lessons.. Saturn opp. Moon is better than no Saturn. I know couples who got bonded by hard Saturn aspects. Hard Neptune- much worse. But it’s no easy to be Saturn person.
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NxNW Knowflake Posts: 94 From: northeast, u.s. Registered: May 2020
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posted May 31, 2020 03:05 PM
quote: Originally posted by Librapurr: Yep, it probably ruined some of potential relationships for me. Also, I learned highly Scorpio people and Neptunian clouds don’t mix together. In my experience, Scorpio moon prefers drama and complete ruins to Neptune clouds and uncertainty. I lost desire to ride Neptune for a long time after it. No Neptune can protect from Pluto / Saturn lessons..
Even though my progressed moon is in Sco (natal in Gem), I still can't handle "real Sco moons"...I have Pisces in the 8th, with Juno there and Neptune (Sag) aspecting natal Moon, Venus & Juno...NO WAY could I survive a heavy Plutonic relationship...I don't think I'm strong enough. ☹️ Also, I don't know if it's b/c of my Juno in the 8th-H in Pis (combined that 12th-H Can Venus?) but I feel like I have this weird ability to suss out the [potential] energy dynamics of a relationship in the very early stages. I can't really describe it...it's almost like I can feel where our strength/weaknesses/problems will be at certain points down the line...and if I decide to "go through with it," it's b/c I have some other priority that trumps it. But it always does play out like I've foreseen it (and not in a self-fulfilling prophecy kind of way - in fact, I always pray that things will turn out differently from what I anticipated...) 🤔 IP: Logged |
Librapurr Knowflake Posts: 1583 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted June 02, 2020 12:11 PM
quote: Originally posted by NxNW: Even though my progressed moon is in Sco (natal in Gem), I still can't handle "real Sco moons"...I have Pisces in the 8th, with Juno there and Neptune (Sag) aspecting natal Moon, Venus & Juno...NO WAY could I survive a heavy Plutonic relationship...I don't think I'm strong enough. ☹️Also, I don't know if it's b/c of my Juno in the 8th-H in Pis (combined that 12th-H Can Venus?) but I feel like I have this weird ability to suss out the [potential] energy dynamics of a relationship in the very early stages. I can't really describe it...it's almost like I can feel where our strength/weaknesses/problems will be at certain points down the line...and if I decide to "go through with it," it's b/c I have some other priority that trumps it. But it always does play out like I've foreseen it (and not in a self-fulfilling prophecy kind of way - in fact, I always pray that things will turn out differently from what I anticipated...) 🤔
Similar placements- not always helpful. You need more Saturn (Maturity) to handle it, to be on top of things and some Scorpio/ Pluto- to understand complexity. Scorpio making deal with Scorpio with similar methods - might end up pretty bad... Look at his other placements, it might be something to make him more mature. Scorpio moon is famous for being immature much longer than majority. Especially, If you have almost all of Saturn - you might be one to teach him (and/or yourself) Saturn lessons. I wasn’t ready for that level of immaturity from somebody past his Saturn return. Literally, blew my mind.I like how well you describe some things what I’m trying to understand for a long time. It could be your Neptune aspects and 12th, also Mercury aspects, placement. Sometimes, when you avoid needed lessons they come back to you again and again in a different shape. IP: Logged |
NxNW Knowflake Posts: 94 From: northeast, u.s. Registered: May 2020
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posted June 02, 2020 01:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by Librapurr:Look at his other placements, it might be something to make him more mature. Scorpio moon is famous for being immature much longer than majority.
Really? I didn't know that Scorpio Moons were known to take longer to mature...could it be because the intensity of their emotions can be so terrifying that some just shut them off and others channel it improperly, wreaking havoc on both themselves and others around them? quote: I like how well you describe some things what I’m trying to understand for a long time. It could be your Neptune aspects and 12th, also Mercury aspects, placement.
Haha, really? I always felt like an inadequate communicator b/c my Mercury is in Taurus and retrograde no less! I have an un-aspected Gem Moon so my mind is lightening times faster than my mouth, but I frequently find myself unable to find the right words to express what I want to say, both in speaking and writing. I actually have no Merc-Uranus aspects but wish I did! With Libra in the 3th-H and Pluto and Saturn there, it kills me whenever I can't explain myself in the way that I wish to be heard. :::sigh::: quote: If you have almost all of Saturn - you might be one to teach him (and/or yourself) Saturn lessons. I wasn’t ready for that level of immaturity from somebody past his Saturn return. Literally, blew my mind.
Ugh, I am so tired of teaching men to be more emotionally responsible and mature and then have them leave me and marry someone else afterwards. Not that I want to get married, but mama is just tired and so done with the drama, ya know? 😆🙄 But since this thread was about Pluto contacts, I just wish I could experience a really positive Pluto/Moon/Venus relationship where it's transformational but in a harmonious and reaffirming way, instead of eviscerating and tragic. But I don't know if that's possible, given the definition of Plutonian relationships. 😞 IP: Logged |
Librapurr Knowflake Posts: 1583 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted June 03, 2020 12:51 PM
NxNW, Scorpio moon often implies some mother/ women issues, fear of betrayal. They remember bad things like forever. Acting from past hurt, testing people, could play games - but don’t you dare to do something remotely similar... Communicate in the sign language, not good with words. Possibly, Libra and Pluto in 3rd make you good at describing and thinking of relationship experiences. quote: Originally posted by NxNW: Ugh, I am so tired of teaching men to be more emotionally responsible and mature and then have them leave me and marry someone else afterwards. Not that I want to get married, but mama is just tired and so done with the drama, ya know? 😆🙄 But since this thread was about Pluto contacts, I just wish I could experience a really positive Pluto/Moon/Venus relationship where it's transformational but in a harmonious and reaffirming way, instead of eviscerating and tragic. But I don't know if that's possible, given the definition of Plutonian relationships. 😞
Yeah, Pluto is not simple, but it’s not always big drama and destructions. Maybe, how well you can handle power and manipulation issues... Nice personal planet aspects and Saturn- helpful. Scorpio moon is supposed to be loyal in the long run, but more hard in the beginning.IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 156948 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 11, 2020 11:57 PM
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problematique Knowflake Posts: 84 From: Registered: Jan 2021
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posted March 26, 2022 10:59 AM
when it comes to generational planets, adding their aspects to synastry can spice things up. ofc you won't be obsessed with an entire generation of people, but if you do happen to meet ONE person to fixate on, there might as well be strong pluto synastry. and probably will. not everyone is going to transform you because that's impossible, but when you do get THAT person - it's important to check pluto for that specific relation only. and then it matters in said context. the power dynamic is tricky, i'd never say pluto has the upper hand or the planet person. it's just the energy flowing between you, as any aspect. the guy who was most obsessed with me had his pluto tightly aspecting my moon, venus, mars, jupiter and ascendant. we never even met in person, but he stalked me for so long on social media, provoked me, even insulted me. it was a love hate, but he also said i was pretty fatal to him (not exactly those words). and when i checked our synastry, boy did i have a lot to see. tight pluto squares to my personal planets. so yes, it matters when it matters. and he never had the upper hand in anything. IP: Logged |
LilyIris07 Knowflake Posts: 83 From: A South African in South Korea Registered: Jan 2022
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posted March 26, 2022 08:59 PM
I’m a bit worried about a Pluto opposite Moon in synastry… is the Pluto person going on too deep for the moon? IP: Logged | |