posted May 29, 2020 09:08 AM            

I have lots of them in my natal and a few in synastry with a current crush.

I'm really curious about how the energy flow works with Qds...is the energy reciprocal, who feels what?

His Pluto (Sco)Qd my Sun (Tau)
His Sun (Tau) Qd my Jupiter & Uranus (Sag)
His Mars (Gem) Qd my Jupiter (Sag)

We already have other aspects in our synastry that give rise to super charged chemistry (Moon/Mars/Venus/Pluto/Eros/Nodal stuff) but I just learned about Quindeciles and am so curious!

For some reason, I get the sense that the "Qd obsession" is less sexual and more focused on directing energies toward achieving something together? I read an article about how Tom Cruise and Kate Holmes' Suns were Qd and they seemed super determined to build a very public image of their marriage (allegedly a "contract marriage" if you believe the gossip)...

Anyway, I want to hear your experiences please!

posted May 29, 2020 05:12 PM            

[The faster planet in the pair will be learning from the slower, if the aspect is waxing ... but exemplifying the already learned lesson if the aspect is waning.

And ... John Addey's research on harmonics indicated that an orb of no more than 30 arc minutes is valid for the 24th harmonic aspect in natal charts - but, in synastry, this orb should be halved to offset the fact that twice as many planets are involved.]

posted May 30, 2020 01:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
John Addey's research on harmonics indicated that an orb of no more than 30 arc minutes is valid for the 24th harmonic aspect in natal charts - but, in synastry, this orb should be halved to offset the fact that twice as many planets are involved.

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This is so interesting! B/c I had read that a 2˚orb was permitted...

And the manifesting the negative characteristics part is also interesting. I haven't come across any info on that!

posted May 31, 2020 11:22 AM            

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Originally posted by NxNW:
This is so interesting! B/c I had read that a 2˚orb was permitted...

And the manifesting the negative characteristics part is also interesting. I haven't come across any info on that!

I know Ricki Reeves has a book on Qd but I don't have access to that. Found a few free pages on gbooks but those segments have already been reposted on various discussion threads...

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She also states therein that "all astrologers have their own opinions and rules regarding the amount of orb to allow for any given planetary relationship. I like to keep orbs very small. When synthesising the various components of a horoscope, I like to focus on things that are of major impact in the individual's life. Wide orbs tend to give more information, but with less specific focus on the dynamics of the individual's life."

In harmonics ... An exact 165 aspect = 24th harmonic, and an exact 164 aspect = 90th harmonic ... So, an orb of 30 arc minutes either side of exact of 165 means the aspect is no longer a quindecile before 164:30 or after 165:30.
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And the manifesting the negative characteristics part is also interesting. I haven't come across any info on that!

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However, I have tested this using the charts of other people that have a quindecile within my suggested orb - and my conclusion (about projection) does appear to be valid, both in synastry and natal charts. Moreover, those who have this aspect in the natal chart tend to project the negative qualities of BOTH planets in synastry. ... So, someone with a planet quindecile my Moon will be seen (by me) as "uncaring" - and someone with a planet quindecile my Mars will be seen (by me) as "under-achieving" ... (because, my natal Moon-Mars is strongly focused upon learning to find the correct balance between protecting and developing others).

posted May 31, 2020 02:33 PM            

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But, until now, it has not occurred to me that my own "projection of the negative" might be because natal Moon-Mars are in a waxing relationship ... so waning 165 aspects might "project the positive" (because the faster-moving planet is now conscious of the lesson it is being taught by the slower-moving planet)

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Terribly sorry but I'm still very much a novice and am not quite clear on what is considered a "waxing/waning" aspect? (I only know those terms when applied to moon phases...)

posted May 31, 2020 05:38 PM            

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Originally posted by NxNW:
Thank you so much for all your additional insight!

Terribly sorry but I'm still very much a novice and am not quite clear on what is considered a "waxing/waning" aspect? (I only know those terms when applied to moon phases...)

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Hence, when the faster moving moon is at 0 to 180 degrees of it's cycle around the sun, it is waxing ... And when at 181 to 360 degrees of that cycle, it is waning.

When at the 180 degrees point of opposition, the moon is fully visible ... So, the opposition degree of each planetary cycle symbolises the point at which the faster moving planet becomes fully enlightened by the slower moving planet - ie when it becomes fully aware of the lesson being taught by the slower-moving planet.

And, because the slower-mover is teaching the faster-mover, the convention is to refer to the former as "shaping" the later.