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Topic: When synastry is blah ?
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viviette
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posted June 22, 2020 08:01 AM
  
When it seems odd that 2 people are together and there’s not much connecting in the synastry / composite,
would it be worth looking for links in the Draconic charts? Such as in the case of a Gem AC - they have Sag DC
But their partner is a Cancer AC. With the Draconic chart, their Cancer AC partner becomes Sag AC (what the Gem AC is looking for)
the partner also thus has Gem DC (looking for a Gemini type) thus suiting the Gem AC person Thoughts ? IP: Logged |
MoonMystic
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posted June 22, 2020 11:05 AM
When nothing seems to answer those type questions I like to use the midpoint studies.
Merging energies is a good way to also see if any transits are effecting the persons in one look(or grps) in the study. It really helps me especially when it appears there's no chemistry/reason in the basic charts.
In the end when it comes to couples, they are each individual but together it is a breakdown to 1/2+1/2= 1 the merge is a collection of their energy.IP: Logged |
Librapurr
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posted June 22, 2020 12:22 PM
I think the direct bookish connection as one’s AC matches their partner’s DC is rare. RS houses, rulers, personal planets matching is more common.So you’re trying to use one’s partner Draconic AC to match with the second partner DC from the regular chart? It doesn’t sound legit. The second partner should be transferred to Draconic chart too. I’m starting to think Davidson could be the correct chart, but I hope it’s not...
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Kannon McAfee
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posted June 22, 2020 01:14 PM
Look at the declinations. No synastry is complete until you've done that. That's where most of the missing stuff.Here is an example of how declinations can change a synastry. Many (so-called) astrologers made negative pronouncements on Meghan Markle & Prince Harry's synastry -- because they don't understand the significance of declinations:
http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/2018/05/24/meghan-harrys-astrological-comparison/ ------------------
Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations Guy
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Kannon McAfee
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posted June 22, 2020 01:15 PM
I have to move this to Interpersonal Astrology. IP: Logged |
Seline
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posted June 22, 2020 03:24 PM
Cancer and Gemini Rising match via antiscia. So depending on the degree, you might have ASC conjunction (25 deg Gemini falls on 5 deg Cancer). Cancer's contra-antiscia (opposition) is Sagittarius. Sag's antiscia Capricorn, contra-antiscia Cancer. So, you two do match. I'm Cancer ASC too, my husband is Sagittarius ASC. His ASC falls by antiscia on my Capricorn Venus/DSC degree, by contra-antiscia on my ASC degree. From my experience, antiscia/contra-ant. is no weaker than conjunction/opposition, both in synastry and in natal. So, check all antiscias/contra-antiscias not only for angles but planets and midpoints too (planets to Sun/Moon, Venus/Mars, Moon/Venus midpoints, etc). You're Libra Moon, he's Pisces Sun, Libra and Pisces match by antiscia. You might have Sun/Moon conjunction? IP: Logged |
viviette
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posted June 23, 2020 04:55 PM
Thanks for all your input  IP: Logged |
viviette
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posted June 23, 2020 05:30 PM
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viviette
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posted June 23, 2020 05:43 PM
Thanks Seline - I had never heard of antiscia aspects until now!Which system and terms etc do you use in their calculation please? I read you can extract from 30 degreesbut if I were to use an online calculator, would I input the following conditions out of a selection : -Placidus
-Tropical
-Aspects by orb (rather than Whole Sign)
-« Ptolemy » terms ?
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viviette
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posted June 23, 2020 06:28 PM
Thanks Kannon
I had heard of parallels and contra parallels but didn’t know they were globally called Declinations and are also used in synastry,
This is becoming a very interesting evening !IP: Logged |
Seline
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posted June 23, 2020 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by viviette:
Thanks Seline - I had never heard of antiscia aspects until now!Which system and terms etc do you use in their calculation please? ...
Placidus/Tropical/By orb. It really doesn't matter for planets, they won't change their degree, but it makes difference for angles/house cusps. Use the systems you feel most comfortable with and compare. The orb is about 1.5 -2 deg, can go little wider for Sun & Moon. Even if you don't have the match by degree, antiscia is still valid.
Go to Astrodienst and choose Munich Rhythm Method as chart drawing style, you'll get all antiscias in additional tables. And declinations! I heard of them from Kannon too and I check them religiously. My first serious relationship had as you say "blah blah" synastry, no sexual aspect at all. We did have Venus/Venus conjunction, but that doesn't do much for me. Yet, there was abundant sexual chemistry and compatibility. Turns out we had Mars/Venus in an exact parallel. His Mars, my Venus. Magic.
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viviette
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posted June 24, 2020 05:27 AM
Found this :
“And so, if any stars do not aspect each other in the orderly arrangement of the nativity, it must be inquired whether they are connected to each other by associated aspect through their antiscions”
-Firmicus Maternus, a 4th century astrologer, telling of a Greek technique taught by Hipparchus as early as the 2nd century and possibly influenced by Pythagorean theory which maintains there is a 'counter Earth' (“anti-cthon” —> anti-scion (Scia = Greek: Shadow) balancing the motions of the Earth invisibly on the other side of the Sun. Each degree has a mirror / counter degree.
The solstice axis runs from 0° Cancer to 0° Capricorn and any given planet casts its antiscion geometrically mirroring at equal distance from the sun.
So I am looking at the antiscia in both of the natals :
As per your suggestion, Seline, the AC DC “correspond” better than between natal charts. To summarise the conjunctions of the antiscia , I note there are 4 of close orb : (Girl) Sun Scorpio / Taurus 21•45’33”
conjunct (Boy) Venus Taurus / Scorpio 19•22’20”
(Or is this technically an opposite ?) (We have this next one in synastry too in different signs. Does a repeated aspect : synastry and antiscia mean double intensity?)
(Girl) Moon Virgo / Pisces 25•51’56”
conjunct (Boy) Pluto Virgo / Pisces 24•14’56” (Girl) Mercury Scorpio / Taurus 5•45’33”
conjunct (Boy) MC Taurus / Scorpio 5•41’27”
(Or is this an opposite ?) Generational (?) aspect (Neptunes conjunct) :
(Girl) Neptune Cancer / Capricorn 18•40’2”
conjunct (Boy) Neptune Cancer / Capricorn 20•23’14”
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viviette
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posted June 24, 2020 06:52 AM
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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
When nothing seems to answer those type questions I like to use the midpoint studies.
Merging energies is a good way to also see if any transits are effecting the persons in one look(or grps) in the study.
Hi Moonmystic
Thank you. Just pulling each Midpoint chart up now to inspect ..
Ok I’ve found some conjunctions: Girl’s Saturn / Mercury midpoint
conjunct Boy’s Saturn / Pluto midpoint Girl’s Saturn Uranus midpoint
conjunct Boy’s Saturn Neptune midpoint Girl’s Saturn Mars midpoint
conjunct Boy’s Saturn Uranus midpoint Conjunctions are easy enough as you look for close numbers
but how do we get to all the other aspects, if there is no symbols chart ?
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Seline
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posted June 24, 2020 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by viviette:
Found this :
“And so, if any stars do not aspect each other in the orderly arrangement of the nativity, ...
So....  Girl's natal Moon is at 4° something in Libra, right? And boy's Sun via antiscia falls at 4° something in Libra (or her Moon's antiscia at 25° something in Pisces is where his natal Sun is). That's tight conjunction (gonna do happy dance now Personally, I don't think in terms of conjunctions/oppositions, I see it just like you quoted as (extra powerful) shadow/mirror points. I only use term "contra-antiscia" as visual aid. Also, it's not just antiscia to antisca. Planets, angles, midpoints, house cusps, fixed stars to antiscia are equally important. Regarding repeated aspects, yes. I threat them just like DWs.
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Kannon McAfee
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posted June 24, 2020 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by viviette:
Thanks Kannon
I had heard of parallels and contra parallels but didn’t know they were globally called Declinations and are also used in synastry,
This is becoming a very interesting evening !
Yes, and they cover what Seline is referring to as "antiscia". That's a traditional astrological term used in a more general way that refers to how planets or points can be in parallel even if one is in Gemini and one is in Cancer. That is because those signs have overlapping declinations: 20-23° North. What she refers to as "contra-antiscia" are declination aspects called contra-parallels. A planet in Gemini can be contra-parallel one in Capricorn. They have the overlapping declinationof 20-23° South. ------------------
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