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Saggy7
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posted July 11, 2020 08:02 PM
  
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LunaIscariot
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posted July 12, 2020 12:06 AM
Honestly I don’t think you’re much his type... we don’t have his birthtime so I can’t be sure. But he has Venus in Leo, and you don’t have anything in Leo or the 5th house. That Venus in Leo of his isn’t making too many strong aspects either, a couple trines which are nice, but not enough imo. He wants someone confident, playful, expressive, fun, outgoing and charismatic. An extroverted type of person You seem with your heavy Scorpio and cap/2nd house energy to be much more reserved, introverted and less open and expressive. This is probably why he lost interest, you’re just not really his type IP: Logged |
Saggy7
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posted July 14, 2020 03:02 PM
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posted July 14, 2020 06:55 PM
Hi
Eris is conjunct the node which usually shows
shows a sexually based affair.the node can amplify the emotions as a sometimes otherworldly sensation envelopes you.
So likely you expected him to feel the emotional sides as deeply as yourself.Another emotional dynamic is the sun/Venus/mercury/Pluto/Ceres stellium opposed to sedan and square to Orcus.
This is complicated because your consciousness feeling of love are associated with unconscious issues.here with seems present,a sense of openness and truth existed.so you felt his words and actions to be sincere.and they might have been consciously but with mercury conjunct to Pluto and square to Orcus,there are deep unconscious issues present.
Orcus and Pluto bring a harsh selfish side .
With mercury there ate likely repressed emotional issues that make a normal relationship unlikely
From his side it is easier to see him constructed by his sexual desires.
From your side,it may be that the intense Eris release touched on deeply repressed emotional experienced of abuse or other difficult childhood experiences.
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LunaIscariot
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posted July 14, 2020 09:56 PM
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Hi Lunalscariot, thanks for your reply!Hmm I guess that's possible also, even though he is definitely more reserved/introverted than I am. In his words "a loner". He has a fun side to him, but I must admit overall Im much more all those things you mentioned than he is. He is confident though or so he portrays himself to be (I have my doubts about this one) If I don't affect him much because of the Leo Venus aspects/5th house situation, how is it that he affected me this much with his Virgo/Leo planets? His Moon definitely, because we share a Scorpio moon..but everything else in his chart does not seem to be hitting my relationship/romance houses either or am I missing something?
Well like I said, we dont have his accurate houses or birth time. So his asc and asc ruler and placements could match your love houses, and that's why you were so affected. But maybe it wasn't mutual on his side.
But your 5th house is Aries, which is ruled by your mars in scorpio, and he has his moon and saturn in scorpio and it's in orb as a conjunction to your 5th ruler. You like scorpio qualities in a man and he definitely fit your type, so that's why you were into him. A woman's Mars is like the female equivalent to the mans Venus.
Just the 7th is missing for you but I bet if we had his TOB it wouldn't be and would make sense. But that unfilled Venus of his by you is a big issue. Venus is our affection, love, appreciation, attraction and enjoyment etc., it's important for both genders but especially for men.
Without his tob, that's the most likely and logical reason he lost romantic interest, as Venus is our romance planet. It's the type of women he's attracted to, those qualities and energies in a women that is going to stimulate those Venusian feelings in him. If it's not being activated, he's not going to feel much. If you have a strong 5th and 7th match it can override the lack of Venus for awhile, but long-term and ultimately I never see it lasting. Eventually the guys fall out of love or lose feelings after while when it's not there. Just my experience over the years in reading charts.I suggest you try your best to move on and find someone better suited for you =) You can't win em all lol, and it sucks, but that just life and it happens to the best of us. If he's ghosting you, he's just not that into you, plain and simple. And the reasons don't really matter that much, I wouldn't focus on it, it's irrelevant now. Whatever the reason was, and whether you agree or not with it, he's entitled to his opinion/feelings and he's made his choice and you have to respect that. And you deserve better than someone who would ghost you anyways. Cut your losses and find someone better <3 IP: Logged |
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posted July 14, 2020 11:37 PM
He has Virgo stellium. You share the same moon, but his with Saturn so he’s more in control of his emotions and cautious. You’re much more intense with Mars/moon/AC. Moreover, your Uranus square his personal planets. For somebody that Saturnian and rational, square with Uranus ( quarreling, unstable emotions) - could be the big problem. He might see you as pretty aggressive. In composite, almost no Saturn + Jupiter sq. Uranus/Saturn could mean it’s a deal breaker.
He has self-esteem issues, a problem with emotional expressions (also his Venus sq. Saturn) possible, lack of self-love. He needs somebody supportive and reassuring , Uranus square could go a really wrong way here.IP: Logged |
Saggy7
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posted July 16, 2020 08:35 PM
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posted July 16, 2020 08:53 PM
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Librapurr
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posted July 17, 2020 01:13 PM
He put Saturn on your moon - it’s a serious, long-term connection, also Moon-moon. Not easy, to turn and forget. His moon/Saturn Natal makes this energy more familiar and easier to make deal for him. Otherwise, I think Saturn people are more likely to come back. But Scorpio moon are more likely to cut.
Second, his Saturn in Scorpio- not good placement, and it rules his Stellium.
Regular Saturn is supposed to be more parental/ teacher, can tolerate some bad (from his point of view) behavior, but Scorpio Saturn is dark and gloomy, more about tough love and hard lessons.
Some criticism isn’t supposed to turn Virgo away, unless you hit some sensitive spots.IP: Logged |
todd
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posted July 17, 2020 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by Saggy7:
I shared this already with my dear Stoika7...but this experience has really affected me tremendously..more than I could have ever imagined. For something so short term that was never even consumated (we kissed etc but didn't have sex)..just WoW.
Every new person I met in the last few months since it ended I compared to him or when I don't even compare, it is like no one is good enough to me. Something turns me away from every single person. Or even if I somewhat like someone, something happens (maybe I sabotage it) and it just stops before it even begins. I don't know if it's my own insecurities or what, but it's a very strange phase in my life.I don't remember having this issue when my previous relationships ended. But now, for some reason... I just can't snap out of it
This sounds like you have a strong vertex conjunction.but without his ton,it is impossible to determine IP: Logged |
Saggy7
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posted July 17, 2020 02:41 PM
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posted July 17, 2020 02:42 PM
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This sounds like you have a strong vertex conjunction.but without his ton,it is impossible to determine
I'm sorry I don't have his TOB, wish I did. If I ever find out, I'll make sure to update the charts. This would be useful to know. Thank you IP: Logged |
AQUACap88
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posted July 17, 2020 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by LunaIscariot:
Honestly I don’t think you’re much his type... we don’t have his birthtime so I can’t be sure. But he has Venus in Leo, and you don’t have anything in Leo or the 5th house. That Venus in Leo of his isn’t making too many strong aspects either, a couple trines which are nice, but not enough imo. He wants someone confident, playful, expressive, fun, outgoing and charismatic. An extroverted type of person You seem with your heavy Scorpio and cap/2nd house energy to be much more reserved, introverted and less open and expressive. This is probably why he lost interest, you’re just not really his type
This is interesting. Because the guy I like also has Venus in Leo and I don't have any Leo planets or any planets in the 5th and 7th house. Contrarily, his Venus makes several aspects to my other planets e.g opposite my Sun (2 degrees), opposite my Uranus (3 degrees) trines my Pluto (3 degrees), trines my MC (2 degrees) and a few others but larger orbs (6/8 degrees). And similar to Saggi7, I am rather Cap heavy (Venus, Mercury, Neptune) in 11th house. I am a Moon Scorpio as well~ I wonder if I am not his type too LOL IP: Logged |
AQUACap88
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posted July 17, 2020 08:57 PM
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Thanks Librapurr. Everything you said, I think it adds up. Men I dealt with in the past, before him, were all fire signs. So to go for an earthy Virgo was a huge game changer for me. I think I got my hopes up way too soon. Thinking it would be different from my other failed relationships, thinking he is different and more capable to commit fully because he sounded so serious about me (even with all his issues) and that he wants to build a family with me as much as I wanted it with him. Im slow with these things...takes me time to warm up even though I could be burning up on the inside, I try not to let it show until I feel like I can or thats its safe for me to... As soon as I was "hooked", he was gone. Or so it seemed.Telling me I was his dream "girl", that he found someone he wants to spend the rest of his life with, but she (me) is giving him a hard time and telling me Im "perfect"...but also telling me I'm demanding, want things my way, and I overreact and have outbursts...he never "forgave" me our first big argument after our first official date and would throw it in my face many times.. where I, again, overreacted and didn't appreciate his honesty in that moment. When I would say something he really didn't like, he would give me the silent treatment. Very painful..i do think this was his way to "teach me a lesson" which makes sense with his Scorpio Saturn. Im a Scorpio Moon myself and yes I can cut people off, but not if it's a man I love, unless they hurt me beyond measure, I'm talking severe heartbreak, which only happened with my first love, yet later on I went back to him, but it was never the same. But im also a Sag Saturn.. I don't know what the future brings, and if he is in it or not (realistically probably not)...however I will be 10 minutes from his house next month for work...and I have no idea if I'll decide to reach out or not. To be in pain again if he ignores me or to be in pain if it doesn't go well.. not sure I'll want to put myself through that..
Is it just me or does this sounds very emotionally abusive? IP: Logged |
Saggy7
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AQUACap88
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posted July 17, 2020 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by Saggy7:
Omg Aqua, I sincerely hope you don't have to go through what I went through with your guy!! Regardless if you are his type or not. Also just to tell you...I may not be his type, but he told me I was his dream woman, that he found someone to spend the rest of his life as well as that I was "perfect"...so it definitely isn't black or white, there is a lot in between. However, the end result in my case is all that matters and that is that he doesn't want anything to do with me.. I really hope it goes much better for you 
So I am thinking he was love bombing you. And yes I was referring to his behaviour ☹️ I actually saw you from another thread. Is this the guy you are asking seeking readings for? (Sorry I don't know how to specific quote) This:
Telling me I was his dream "girl", that he found someone he wants to spend the rest of his life with, but she (me) is giving him a hard time - Guilt trip (telling you something nice then blaming you through the use of 'if only'? lol) and telling me Im "perfect"...but also telling me I'm demanding, want things my way, and I overreact and have outbursts... - blame he never "forgave" me our first big argument after our first official date and would throw it in my face many times.. where I, again, overreacted and didn't appreciate his honesty in that moment. - score keeping
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And honestly, score keeping over something so irrelevant? If he 'hated' you that much after the first official date then why bother keeping you around?
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"When I would say something he really didn't like, he would give me the silent treatment. Very painful..i do think this was his way to "teach me a lesson" which makes sense with his Scorpio Saturn."
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IMO: It doesn't matter what Saturn he has, to absolute hell with his Saturn, but making you tip toe and walk on egg shells over things you say !? It is so ridiculous I am actually ****** for you. It sounds so toxic and most importantly, emotionally exhausting
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AQUACap88
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posted July 17, 2020 09:23 PM
If I may share something with you? I actually dated a guy (for a little over a year) and he also had a rather traumatic past (with his mom then getting cheated on etc).So I was really understanding and did whatever I could to gain his trust and prove to him that I was different from them. So I let him be controlling, blocked friends he dislike, answer all of his phone calls etc etc but as time went by, his controlling behaviour continued to escalate when it should have began to de-escalate since after so long has passed, I should have already proven myself to him right? That was the worst, absolute horror and most controlling relationship I have EVER been in. At one point he actually called me more than 100+ times over a span of a few hours. From the above I learned, never get involved with people who are not 'emotionally healthy'. Ok to be fair, I had a rather traumatic past too so let me rephrase. Never get together with anyone who blame the present on their past. "Oh you have to understand, I am like this because of this and that which happened years back so you can't blame me but at the same time do so and so for me so I can temporarily feel better, well until you mess things up again. " My point is, you will never be enough. The more you give, the more you take. Why? Because you are trying to fill in an imagined wound. Hence the more you give, the bigger that wounds open up. You will realise this eventually that as they demand more, it is because although what they want is for you to give, what they need is to actually heal themselves. IP: Logged |
Saggy7
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Librapurr
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posted July 20, 2020 09:41 PM
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Thanks Librapurr. Everything you said, I think it adds up. Men I dealt with in the past, before him, were all fire signs. So to go for an earthy Virgo was a huge game changer for me. I think I got my hopes up way too soon. Thinking it would be different from my other failed relationships, thinking he is different and more capable to commit fully because he sounded so serious about me (even with all his issues) and that he wants to build a family with me as much as I wanted it with him. Im slow with these things...takes me time to warm up even though I could be burning up on the inside, I try not to let it show until I feel like I can or thats its safe for me to... As soon as I was "hooked", he was gone. Or so it seemed.Telling me I was his dream "girl", that he found someone he wants to spend the rest of his life with, but she (me) is giving him a hard time and telling me Im "perfect"...but also telling me I'm demanding, want things my way, and I overreact and have outbursts...he never "forgave" me our first big argument after our first official date and would throw it in my face many times.. where I, again, overreacted and didn't appreciate his honesty in that moment. .
If an idea of being his perfect girl is the reason for reaching him out - don’t do it. Saturn people could have the high standards for themselves and the others. Virgo likes the idea of perfection. It might just his way to say he is into you. Bunch of Saturn and Scorpio could give a very good memory.
For someone with Mars/Moon/Ac, it could be too exhausting always control your expressions and emotions. You just need to find someone who is more accepting of it. For person with abuse - it might be it’s too hard. Maybe, he came for purpose to change your taste in men. Now you’d know better what to look. Saturn and Fire men - different animals. Saturn is definitely more serious about relationships and don’t act on emotional whims as Fire, but being less emotional and more analytical- could cause more problems. They don’t get over things quickly.
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