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posted August 22, 2020 06:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CardinalT-Square     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone here have even a basic idea of what Saturn conjunct North Node in the Davison Chart means? I've done some googling, but came up empty handed. The conjunction is in our 12 House, our 12th House and North Node are in Capricorn, but Saturn is in Aquarius, Saturn is also conjunct Mercury and Ascendant (also in Aquarius). Mercury is in our 1st House though. Ascendant and North Node are conjunct Saturn at 3° orb each. Depending on your preferred orbs, North Node also conjuncts Ascendant at a 7° orb and Mercury at an 8° orb. Any books/pdf's you guys recommend for me to get really in-depth with these aspects?

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posted August 23, 2020 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 23, 2020 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A picture is worth 1000 words ... and makes life much, much easier for anyone trying to make sense of the words.

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posted August 23, 2020 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CardinalT-Square     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I gotcha Graham😉😆

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posted August 24, 2020 02:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by CatdinalT-Square :

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Does anyone here have even a basic idea of what Saturn conjunct North Node in the Davison Chart means?

In Karmic Astrology, Martin Schulman asserts that planetary conjunctions to the NN urge the chart owner to leave the past behind - in order to embrace a "uniquely new experience". ... And he also states therein that NN in Capricorn is "learning how to achieve maturity", and its 12th location points to "a karmic transition from the world of matter into the consciousness of infinite spirit".

So ... to interpret the Saturn-NN conjunction in this relationship/Davison Chart, you first need to ascertain what the NN in Capricorn/12th requires the couple to do (or strive towards).

Then, you need only to read the 12th house Saturn in Aquarius as providing the strength/discipline and imagination required for them to achieve that NN objective.


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The conjunction is in our 12 House, our 12th House and North Node are in Capricorn, but Saturn is in Aquarius, Saturn is also conjunct Mercury and Ascendant (also in Aquarius). Mercury is in our 1st House though. Ascendant and North Node are conjunct Saturn at 3° orb each. Depending on your preferred orbs, North Node also conjuncts Ascendant at a 7° orb and Mercury at an 8° orb.

What first needs to be ascertained here is "which planet is the chart ruler" ... because, as with all natal charts. the couple will identify strongly with it. (Ie. Chart Rulers R Us!.

Uranus is the modern ruler of the Ascendant : Mercury is on the ascendant and very comfortable/strong in Aquarius/1st : Saturn is the traditional ruler of Aquarius, close to the ascendant, in a natal house that it rules and the dispositior of both Uranus and Mercury.

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Any books/pdf's you guys recommend for me to get really in-depth with these aspects?

Leave the books on the shelf*. ... To understand how these astrological indicators will manifest, you will need to mindfully review the events created by progressions and transits to them.


[ * Note : For you, CT-S ... learning from books/"authorities" is now part of the past that this relationship is urging you to leave behind - in order to embrace (as a new experience) the "maturity" of developing your own interpretations of astrological indicators (rather than assuming third-party "experts" are better equipped than you to do so).]

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posted August 24, 2020 06:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CardinalT-Square     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leaving the past behind us is going to be "easier said than done" Graham, we have Aries/Libra NN/SN double-whammy conjunctions in synastry😆

Double-whammy Jupiter/Saturn conjunctions in synastry probably don't help either😆

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posted August 24, 2020 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CardinalT-Square:
Leaving the past behind us is going to be "easier said than done" Graham, we have Aries/Libra NN/SN double-whammy conjunctions in synastry😆

Double-whammy Jupiter/Saturn conjunctions in synastry probably don't help either😆


Hence the Davison Chart interceptions ... in the signs of assertiveness/co-operation and the houses of own/others values, CT-S.

[So ... what is the Davison Chart issue in the 3rd + 9th houses, that is adversely affecting the activities of the 4th + 10th houses - in a way that prevents the positive qualities of Aries + Libra from being used correctly/effectively?]

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posted August 27, 2020 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CardinalT-Square     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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[So ... what is the Davison Chart issue in the 3rd + 9th houses, that is adversely affecting the activities of the 4th + 10th houses - in a way that prevents the positive qualities of Aries + Libra from being used correctly/effectively?]

Probably power/ego struggles, since we're both cardinal Moons, (me being a Libra Moon and her being a Capricorn Moon) we're both trying to remain independent, yet dominate over the other. She can't stand my desire to put my own needs and desires before anyone else and that I can sufficiently take care of myself, she's a Virgo Sun, so I'm not suprised by her reactions either. Our communication is surprisingly good though, both verbal and non-verbal/telepathic/subconscious etc...

Would Jupiter count as being conjunct the South Node in our Davison? What would that represent?

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posted August 27, 2020 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Probably power/ego struggles, since we're both cardinal Moons, (me being a Libra Moon and her being a Capricorn Moon) we're both trying to remain independent, yet dominate over the other. She can't stand my desire to put my own needs and desires before anyone else and that I can sufficiently take care of myself, she's a Virgo Sun, so I'm not suprised by her reactions either. Our communication is surprisingly good though, both verbal and non-verbal/telepathic/subconscious etc...

Would Jupiter count as being conjunct the South Node in our Davison? What would that represent?



In a cold reading (and for a person of average sensitivity), I'd consider an orb of 9degs18mins to be too wide for a Jupiter-SN conjunction. ... However, you are more sensitive than the average person, so "if you can feel it, the conjunction counts - but, if you cannot feel it, the conjunction does not count".

This Jupiter is playing a positive role in resolving the Moon-Mars opposition issue, and is itself being "reined in" by its own opposition to the Saturn-Mercury conjunction.

So here, Jupiter in Leo/7th is perhaps creating two healthy egos that each refuse to be dominated by the other. ... However, the SN conjunction indicates that such resistance is a barrier to achieving the NN objective of this relationship.

NN in Capricorn is learning about "maturity/responsibility", and letting go of the Cancer need for personal security/mothering. ... So, ask yourself why someone in a loving/trusting relationship would see their partner as attempting to dominate him/her.

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posted August 28, 2020 06:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CardinalT-Square     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That extra sensitivity is due to my Moon and Pluto both conjuncting my SN in my Natal at about 9°30" orb😆 And my Cancer Sun squaring all of those except Pluto. This chick's Mars and NN are caught in the cross-fire😆

What would Moon opposite Mars represent in the Davison vs. Synastry? We have reverse Moon/Mars, so her Mars is in Libra conjunct my SN, her NN, and my Pluto in Scorpio, but too far to conjunct my Moon. Her Moon is in Capricorn, conjunct my Mars (depending on how stingy you want to get with a 9°50" orb) and squares both our Nodes, and opposed my Sun. We both have Moon square Mars natally as well, so Moon and Mars are playing very prominate roles in our lives.

Just to be clear, we're not together, we may or may not ever be either, but we work at the same place, so we see each other several times a day, sometimes even working together, but that's extremely rare for that to happen.

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posted August 31, 2020 01:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CardinalT-Square     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 31, 2020 03:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by CardinalT-Square :

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That extra sensitivity is due to my Moon and Pluto both conjuncting my SN in my Natal at about 9°30" orb😆 And my Cancer Sun squaring all of those except Pluto. This chick's Mars and NN are caught in the cross-fire😆

Yes ... " The conjunction to SN of the Moon/Pluto mid-point (at 25Libra19) hinders your ability to acquire a better understanding of your own emotional needs by working with others. ... Perhaps because you are unable to let go of things you hold in great respect, even though doing so would aid the birth of a 'new you'. " (Astrocalc 6 - Midpoints interpretation text.)

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What would Moon opposite Mars represent in the Davison vs. Synastry?

(From Astrocalc 6 - Natal interpretation text) ... "Moon opposite Mars people are easily excitable and inclined to over-react. Others may therefore use them to relieve their own tensions by taking the mickey or stirring them up.

Their actions are very often instinctive, or simply a result of habit. However, their relationships with others give them the chance to become conscious of these habit patterns and utilise this energy (which they have much of) in a constructive form. Although difficult, they can - with patience and a greater acceptance of themselves as they are - use this great potential to initiate new projects that lesser mortals think impossible."

Are you able to now put that interpretation into the context of your Davison/Relationship natal chart, CT-S?
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(From Astrocalc 6 - Synastry interpretation text) ... With Moon opposite Mars, "the Moon person A will feel that the partner B treats them as if everything A does is designed to annoy B." ... And, "the Mars person B will feel that there is a strong sexual attraction between A and B, but also a lot of friction and conflict".

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