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Topic: How can synastry trines turn into composite oppositions?
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ana_bee Knowflake Posts: 532 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted September 25, 2020 07:34 AM
This doesn’t make sense to me. I would assume a Sun trine Pluto (DW) would become a Sun/Pluto conjunction in composite for example, and not an opposition, since trines are supportive and easy going. I know how it’s possible from a mathematical point, depending on the distance, the midpoints form a conj or an opposition. But how does it play out in real life? How is it felt? That would interest me. How can two mutually supportive aspects create an opposing effect? There are no other harsh Pluto aspects, to other planets. Only supportive ones. Thank you IP: Logged |
todd Knowflake Posts: 3907 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted September 25, 2020 01:31 PM
My real life analogy is that may times after a relationship starts,one of the parters will say he/she wasn't like that before we got together.one things come out that are apparent between 2 independent peopleIP: Logged |
ana_bee Knowflake Posts: 532 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted September 26, 2020 08:23 PM
Yes I can relate to thatIP: Logged |
Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 2805 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted September 28, 2020 06:27 AM
Our Mars trine Uranus DW in Synastry turns into an opposition. I cannot relate to the interpretation though. It says we will fight all the time and it'll be exhausting, which isn't the case at all. Even if we argued, we made up very fast.I'm still trying to find other more relatable interpretations of this aspect. In Davision we've the sextile. I find that describes us more. IP: Logged |
ana_bee Knowflake Posts: 532 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted September 28, 2020 07:55 AM
quote: Originally posted by Hikaru29: Our Mars trine Uranus DW in Synastry turns into an opposition. I cannot relate to the interpretation though. It says we will fight all the time and it'll be exhausting, which isn't the case at all. Even if we argued, we made up very fast.I'm still trying to find other more relatable interpretations of this aspect. In Davision we've the sextile. I find that describes us more.
Hi Hikaru, thank you for your answer! This is actually what I assumed. I understand how one behaves differently once a relationship is formed, and that the relationship might change our behavior entirely, but I can’t grasp the idea, that composite has the energy to cancel out synastry aspects completely, especially when it’s a DW!! From my understanding synastry is always there, it’s how we interact with each other, it’s the reactions we trigger in each other (positive and negative). How do other people react to your relationship, concerning the area of that comp aspect? Do you maybe experience the opposition through life events and when relating with other people as a couple?
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Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 2805 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted September 28, 2020 08:35 AM
Synastry and Composite are two different charts. One doesn't override the other. I feel that there are confusions how Composite aspects are interpreted that's why I find some interpretations very hard to understand and relate. quote: How do other people react to your relationship, concerning the area of that comp aspect? Do you maybe experience the opposition through life events and when relating with other people as a couple?
Interesting you asked this. Some of my friends have commented that he appears unstable and they'd ask me why I'm with this guy (note that these are people who barely know him). I read that Composite is how others see the couple so perhaps this is it. They see him as unstable. In the early days I also feared the same - that he'll drift in/out of my life - but after some time I realised that he's a more stable partner than I thought. After realising this I don't feel so threatened by his free-spirited ways anymore because I know he'll be fine and we'll be fine. He's not cheating on me or anything. Some interpretations said this might be an open relationship. No way! Lol. IP: Logged |
ana_bee Knowflake Posts: 532 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted September 28, 2020 09:51 AM
quote: Originally posted by Hikaru29: Synastry and Composite are two different charts. One doesn't override the other. I feel that there are confusions how Composite aspects are interpreted that's why I find some interpretations very hard to understand and relate. Interesting you asked this. Some of my friends have commented that he appears unstable and they'd ask me why I'm with this guy (note that these are people who barely know him). I read that Composite is how others see the couple so perhaps this is it. They see him as unstable. In the early days I also feared the same - that he'll drift in/out of my life - but after some time I realised that he's a more stable partner than I thought. After realising this I don't feel so threatened by his free-spirited ways anymore because I know he'll be fine and we'll be fine. He's not cheating on me or anything. Some interpretations said this might be an open relationship. No way! Lol.
Great! Thank you! This really makes sense now! So our sun trine Pluto (DW)... which we also have natally btw, would leave the impression to other people, that we might have an intense and controlling relationship with occasional power plays, although that’s absolutely not the case! We‘re just both intense sometimes, but can handle it really well when we interact with each other, because there’s familiarity and mutual understanding of our shared intensity. I perceive his intensity as invigorating and pretty sexy. I never felt controlled or manipulated, ever! Like you said, I also find composite interpretations puzzling. I so often had comp sun conj Venus, and it feels really nice but never as intense as Venus conj sun in synastry! It’s also not necessarily a relationship where I loved or felt loved the most!
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Librapurr Knowflake Posts: 604 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted September 28, 2020 10:53 AM
quote: Originally posted by Hikaru29: Our Mars trine Uranus DW in Synastry turns into an opposition. I cannot relate to the interpretation though. It says we will fight all the time and it'll be exhausting, which isn't the case at all. Even if we argued, we made up very fast.I'm still trying to find other more relatable interpretations of this aspect. In Davision we've the sextile. I find that describes us more.
What’s about the positive aspects in composite, they can override negative. I have Pluto square Sun and Mercury in comp., but it’ve never been that bad. I think because of Mercury conj. Sun. Generally, Mercury doesn’t get deserving attention in reading. I often see better how synastry plays out . I think to see composite you need the time and to look at the whole picture. IP: Logged |
ana_bee Knowflake Posts: 532 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted September 28, 2020 11:22 AM
Don’t know if they can override it, but they lessen the negative effect and create a way to cope with the negative energy, through good and open communication , like in your case for example. What I definitely believe in, because I’ve experienced it every single time, and it always turned out to be true: Harsh Transits to the composite chart! It’s like I could set a timer, when trouble is near. I’ve never experienced a romantic relationship that survived transit Saturn square compSun or CompVenus!! This is the death knell in my experience. It might work out when it happens right at the beginning and then dissolved into fluffy sextiles and trines.. you can also survive when it happens later on, when you already established stuff, when you’re materially bound to that relationship, there’s no guaranty that you’ll stay together, but when there’s so much at stake you might sit it out, maybe take some time off from each other, maybe start couples therapy! But any romantic relationship with no strings attached, didn’t make it! So I always check the transits before I start anything serious. It won’t influence me, when I’m really into that person, but I’d keep my expectations to a minimum in that case.
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Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 2805 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted September 28, 2020 02:21 PM
quote: Originally posted by ana_bee: Great! Thank you! This really makes sense now! So our sun trine Pluto (DW)... which we also have natally btw, would leave the impression to other people, that we might have an intense and controlling relationship with occasional power plays, although that’s absolutely not the case! We‘re just both intense sometimes, but can handle it really well when we interact with each other, because there’s familiarity and mutual understanding of our shared intensity. I perceive his intensity as invigorating and pretty sexy. I never felt controlled or manipulated, ever! Like you said, I also find composite interpretations puzzling. I so often had comp sun conj Venus, and it feels really nice but never as intense as Venus conj sun in synastry! It’s also not necessarily a relationship where I loved or felt loved the most!
And we have composite Sun square Pluto (lol). Again all the negativities surrounding this aspect saying it shows a dysfunctional relationship. I'm not sure how others perceive us. We can have power struggles (i.e. we each wanna have the upper hand but not in a malicious way, rather we just don't wish to lose the other). On the bright side this is also a very protective bond once forged, and we ARE very protective of each other (almost warrior-like) and people sense it. With composite Sun conjunct Venus, I'm thinking people look at you like you plain adore each other. This can be true or not true depending on your synastry, like you've described. quote: I’ve never experienced a romantic relationship that survived transit Saturn square compSun or CompVenus!!
We survived the opposition! The relationship felt very unstable for a few months and at that time, our progressed composite Moon was also hit by some squares. But somehow something held us together. We kept coming back. IP: Logged |
Librapurr Knowflake Posts: 604 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted September 28, 2020 02:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by ana_bee: What I definitely believe in, because I’ve experienced it every single time, and it always turned out to be true:Harsh Transits to the composite chart! It’s like I could set a timer, when trouble is near. I’ve never experienced a romantic relationship that survived transit Saturn square compSun or CompVenus!! This is the death knell in my experience. It might work out when it happens right at the beginning and then dissolved into fluffy sextiles and trines.. you can also survive when it happens later on, when you already established stuff, when you’re materially bound to that relationship, there’s no guaranty that you’ll stay together, but when there’s so much at stake you might sit it out, maybe take some time off from each other, maybe start couples therapy! But any romantic relationship with no strings attached, didn’t make it! So I always check the transits before I start anything serious. It won’t influence me, when I’m really into that person, but I’d keep my expectations to a minimum in that case.
Yes, I saw it happened, unfortunately.IP: Logged |
Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 2805 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted September 28, 2020 02:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by Librapurr: What’s about the positive aspects in composite, they can override negative. I have Pluto square Sun and Mercury in comp., but it’ve never been that bad. I think because of Mercury conj. Sun. Generally, Mercury doesn’t get deserving attention in reading.I often see better how synastry plays out . I think to see composite you need the time and to look at the whole picture.
We have composite Pluto square Sun/Mercury/Venus btw and like you, I also don't find it as bad as what the interpretations said. There are negativities such as power struggles etc but none of the selfish manipulations mentioned. I don't think you can override them but there are helpful aspects. E.g. we have the stellium conjunct Psyche trine Moon sextile Mars and Moon/Venus aspect Jupiter, Juno/Jupiter midpoint trine NN... we also have a YoD involving Neptune-Sun/Mercury-Mars. The relationship feels intensely close and loving. I believe this is the reason why we keep going back to each other after an argument (until we gave up trying to leave). I wonder if we've developed a codependent bond. IP: Logged |
Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 2805 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted September 28, 2020 02:54 PM
Talking about transits... tMars retrograding back & forth in Aries is squaring our Cancer stellium and causing emotional arguments between us. Wonder if you ladies feel anything? IP: Logged |
ana_bee Knowflake Posts: 532 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted September 29, 2020 03:04 AM
quote: Originally posted by Hikaru29: Talking about transits... tMars retrograding back & forth in Aries is squaring our Cancer stellium and causing emotional arguments between us. Wonder if you ladies feel anything?
When it was conj my natal Venus/Mars/Lilith around that time I started dating again, (after the Corona panic settled.) Transit Uranus is also conj my Dsc! I can feel that one intensely!! I am considering to be part of an open relationship, but am not sure if it works out for me, if I am even the type for that, since my relationships, even sexual encounters were never superficial, but I’m interested to try it, because I like that guy very much! I also met up with my girl-crush. This one girl I really fell for, when we were 19. We hadn’t seen each other for 13 years now. So she’s in my life too right, now. Interestingly both the guy and her are very similar types, have a very similar energy and look alike. She could be his sister. I Instantly thought about her, when I met him. I was never a lesbian, it was just her as a person, she wasn’t a girl to me, also not a boy, but something in between, I loved her whole being and we had amazing chemistry. Since Uranus conj my Dsc and that Mars conj happened I’m more attracted to androgynous looking men with beautiful faces and sth otherworldly about them. Think David Bowie, Ville Valo, Stuart Townsend ( when he was younger), also Jim Morrison.. he too had a rather feminine energy, I think, at least that’s how I see him. I also like Evan Peters from AHS, I actually feel attracted to the though of seeing two hetero sexual guys making out. I find that very sexy, when a man is so open and confident in their own sexuality, that it’s not a big deal to make out with another man. IP: Logged |
Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 2805 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted September 29, 2020 03:12 AM
quote: Originally posted by ana_bee: When it was conj my natal Venus/Mars/Lilith around that time I started dating again, (after the Corona panic settled.) Uranus is also conj my Dsc! I can feel that one intensely!! I am considering to be part of an open relationship, but am not sure if it works out for me, if I am even the type for that, since my relationships, even sexual encounters were never superficial, but I’m interested to try it, because I like that guy very much! I also met up with my girl-crush. This one girl I really fell for, when we were 19. We hadn’t seen each other for 13 years now. So she’s in my life too right, now. Interestingly both the guy and her are very similar types, have a very similar energy and look alike. She could be his sister. I Instantly thought about her, when I met him. I was never a lesbian, it was just her as a person, she wasn’t a girl to me, also not a boy, but something in between, I loved her whole being and we had amazing chemistry. Since Uranus conj my Dsc and that Mars conj happened I’m more attracted to androgynous looking men with beautiful faces.
I think tUranus on your DSC is why you were attracted to that guy (I saw your other thread). He has Uranus opposite his planets, right? IP: Logged |
ana_bee Knowflake Posts: 532 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted September 29, 2020 03:14 AM
quote: Originally posted by Hikaru29: I think tUranus on your DSC is why you were attracted to that guy (I saw your other thread). He has Uranus opposite his planets, right?
Yeah it’s him!! And he has Uranus opposite his Moon/Venus in natal. IP: Logged |
ana_bee Knowflake Posts: 532 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted September 29, 2020 03:33 AM
@hikaruI’m sorry that this aspects makes your interaction more volatile, maybe you can use this energy in a sexual way! To let of steam. Try something different. Or you could do sports together or start some project that is physically demanding, maybe a home improvement or so.. As I think of this more.. I would go for the sexual thing, that’s a saver bet. He’ll be too tired to fight with you, and the intimacy brings you closer together, once that transit’s over you’ll have sth to remember fondly. Home improvement could be tricky, if your ideas differ too much. IP: Logged |
Librapurr Knowflake Posts: 604 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted September 29, 2020 11:32 AM
Retrograde Mars make me more into in general life (future/ past) frustrations, letting go. I met my ex-crush with his girlfriend when Mars r. and Lilith opp. comp Venus (Lilith is closer,1 degree) Also, Venus sq. Saturn (irony). Saturn biquintile comp. node. Why would I need to run into him in break-up transit? For another mental break-up, closure? I did find out something new. IP: Logged |
Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 2805 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted October 04, 2020 01:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by ana_bee: As I think of this more.. I would go for the sexual thing, that’s a saver bet. He’ll be too tired to fight with you, and the intimacy brings you closer together, once that transit’s over you’ll have sth to remember fondly.
This definitely works! I dressed up extra sexy for him on our last date and that knocked him off his seat, lol. 😉 IP: Logged |
ana_bee Knowflake Posts: 532 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted October 06, 2020 06:28 AM
quote: Originally posted by Hikaru29: This definitely works! I dressed up extra sexy for him on our last date and that knocked him off his seat, lol. 😉
Perfect!☺️💪 IP: Logged | |