posted November 18, 2020 11:23 PM            

With my first bf I have NN conjunct his Sun. I found him to be a jerk, a fake and a coward, nothing of the positives (i.e. developing each other's talents/strengths, instant friendship, drawn to Sun person's qualities) described.

My NN also conjunct a friend's Sun/Moon/Mercury. While we get along swimmingly because we've Moons in the same sign, she does not contribute in any significant way to my personal growth, neither is she particularly nurturing/caring towards me. We just get along well, that's all.

And then my NN conjunct another friend's Mercury. It says we have a powerfully communicative bond and I greatly admire her intellect. In truth I found it hard to have meaningful conversations with her.

My parents have NN conjunct Moon (dad's NN; mom's Moon). While it's true my mom does a lot of caring/nurturing in the relationship but she has always been resentful about having to do so much. It wasn't a nice, emotional bond which Moon-NN should have, but rather an obligation.

My aunt's NN conjunct her husband's Sun/Jupiter. According to her it was a very difficult marriage.

So it makes me question the "bond" often associated with Nodes. IME and observations, it hasn't been as magical as what it's made out to be.

posted November 19, 2020 12:43 AM            

However, few people do we meet and interact with by random chance (especially in connection with a closer and/or more affecting relationship). Most people in our lives are in same for a deeper reason (which can vary widely).

Another interpretation of the NN is that it relates to our path of growth and development. That sounds nice and all on the surface, but if you really think about it, does growth ever come easy for humans? Do humans come to it willingly and through easy, harmonious times, interactions, experiences, etc?

Rarely ever the case. In a sense then, then maybe there is a bit of a Saturn and challenging/difficult like connotation to the NN in general and especially in Synastry? But here's the funny thing. All those people and relationships you mentioned, were deliberately chosen by both parties, rather than being automatic. Meaning, unlike with family, the people involved had to consciously choose and focus on developing those connections. There must have been some kind of at least initial attraction and draw. That's connected to the "fated" meaning and symbolism of NN connections.

Conversely, strong SN interactions aren't necessarily negative (nor necessarily positive). Often times it just represents having interacted strongly in ways connected to the Planet, House, etc in the past. In that sense, it carries a strong Lunar type connotation.

I have noticed more innate attraction actually more so with strong SN connections. And that also makes sense. What's the saying, the devil you don't know is scarier than the devil you do? Meaning, the past, the known, the tried and true is often more comfortable and appealing. Granted less so with certain symbols than others. SN to Sun, ASC, DESC, Moon, Venus, and Jupiter tends to be more "feel good" than some other ones like SN to Saturn, Mars, and/or Pluto. There can be an element of attraction to those connections as well, but it's usually of a heavier, material level, and/or more ego oriented kind of energy exchange. These can start off with a bang and intense attraction, but often times ugliness eventually raises its head.

Then there is the basic astro rule. You cannot look at a single pattern in isolation. You always have to think in terms of a whole chart pattern when it comes to Natal, Synastric, etc. Always look for the underlying, repeating patterns. If the NN connections don't particularly align with that overall trend, then yeah, of course it's not going to override those deeper, stronger patterns.

Keep in mind that these symbols are somewhat different than the Planetary ones. The Planets represent more specific energies, and directly connect to our glandular/energetic Centers i.e. what some call Chakras as well as relate to our aura and auric color patterns.

NN and SN have a more neutral, more general energy and meaning. They are more open to interpretation in connection with synastry. Few people experience Venus opposed Mars in radically different ways, even with otherwise very different chart comparisons. That's because these represent more fundamental, immediate, and core parts of our psyche. NN and SN has a more "theoretical" context and meaning and is not directly connected to those immediate, core parts of our psyche that Planets symbolize. Not sure I'm describing this well or not. Doesn't sound super clear to me.

When you actually go through the symbols, it makes more sense. Mars symbolizes our sex drive, our desire and drive to go get something, Venus what we are attracted to, what we find beautiful, Sun both our over arching combination of energies and our core character as well as our drive to become our authentic selves, etc

posted November 19, 2020 01:49 AM            

quote:

---

There must have been some kind of at least initial attraction and draw. That's connected to the "fated" meaning and symbolism of NN connections.

---

This is what I struggle with the most, the so called "attraction and draw" with NN. With my first bf I was not at all attracted to him even though he chased me for months. Why did I decide to date him then? Because he put in a lot of effort to appear the caring, attentive, gentlemanly guy and got my bestie to convince me to give him a shot, some kinda marketing fraud now that I think about it because he wasn't at all what he painted himself out to be. Within 2 months the relationship broke down and he tortured me continuously for years.

quote:

---

Then there is the basic astro rule. You cannot look at a single pattern in isolation. You always have to think in terms of a whole chart pattern when it comes to Natal, Synastric, etc. Always look for the underlying, repeating patterns. If the NN connections don't particularly align with that overall trend, then yeah, of course it's not going to override those deeper, stronger patterns.

---

posted November 19, 2020 02:40 AM            

I’ve never dated anyone for a longer period of time without it, even if I wanted to! It just never worked out due to a lack of emotional connection, despite all kinds of positive moon to moon and sun/moon , Venus aspects!

Now I don’t know whether it’s due to me having NN in my 7th house, therefore relationships play a significant role in my development and often turn out to be very karmic?

The strongest aspect that I’ve experienced, and the one that’s hardest to break would be Asc conj SN! I don’t know how this works, since we’re only talking about ‘theoretical points’ , but I felt these aspects to be the strongest and long lasting. MC/IC on the Nodes is also strong, but not as romantic as the Asc.

posted November 19, 2020 03:51 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
That's interesting Ana-Bee. Haven't known too many women with Pisces ASC (I have Pisces SN cusping Aquarius), let alone been in a relationship with one. Nor have I known all that many women with Leo South Node (my ASC). Will keep it in mind for the future and see if I notice any patterns.

In self's case, coming here from a very different system of energies pre this life, I don't have a lot of strong energetic and karmic type connections and attractions to a lot of folks. There is some, because I do have an earth connection as well, and am not a first timer, but being an out of systemer, it's less frequent and intense than those whose energies are very tied in/connected to the earth.

---

Yeah have a look out for that, because even if no planet to Node contacts are apparent, there’s still the axis points that has to be considered, and not everyone knows their correct time of birth!

But please tell me more about ‘being an out of systemer’ .. I can imagine what that means.. are we talking about other planets/galaxies ? And how do you know that?

posted November 19, 2020 09:34 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by ana_bee:
Now I don’t know whether it’s due to me having NN in my 7th house, therefore relationships play a significant role in my development and often turn out to be very karmic?
[/B]

---

Thanks for sharing your experience. I also have NN in 7th house but that rs I shared with his Sun on my NN is just bad. Karmic most likely but in a very bad way which had me traumatised for years. I don't think this is what nodes are about though. I've had much more fulfilling relationship without nodes.

But here I'm specifically referring to conjunctions.

posted November 19, 2020 02:36 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Hikaru29:
The interpretations of North Node contacts in Synastry made it sound like this is such a powerful bond, almost like a 'must-have' in comparison chart... but my experiences have been different.

With my first bf I have NN conjunct his Sun. I found him to be a jerk, a fake and a coward, nothing of the positives (i.e. developing each other's talents/strengths, instant friendship, drawn to Sun person's qualities) described.

My NN also conjunct a friend's Sun/Moon/Mercury. While we get along swimmingly because we've Moons in the same sign, she does not contribute in any significant way to my personal growth, neither is she particularly nurturing/caring towards me. We just get along well, that's all.

And then my NN conjunct another friend's Mercury. It says we have a powerfully communicative bond and I greatly admire her intellect. In truth I found it hard to have meaningful conversations with her.

My parents have NN conjunct Moon (dad's NN; mom's Moon). While it's true my mom does a lot of caring/nurturing in the relationship but she has always been resentful about having to do so much. It wasn't a nice, emotional bond which Moon-NN should have, but rather an obligation.

My aunt's NN conjunct her husband's Sun/Jupiter. According to her it was a very difficult marriage.

So it makes me question the "bond" often associated with Nodes. IME and observations, it hasn't been as magical as what it's made out to be.

What gives?

---

posted November 21, 2020 07:51 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Will just say that I think that people have tended to misinterpret these symbols some. And yes, agreed, relationships without strong NN connections are no less significant or impactful than ones with.

---

posted November 21, 2020 12:07 PM            

As difficult and distasteful as that relationship you mentioned was, it's possible that from a Soul, or more likely Higher self level, that it was chosen for growth and/or balance purposes. You've mentioned before, I think, that you have a strong Neptune? Speaking as one who does as well, saying no and having boundaries can be difficult. Maybe that is why he was in your life, to really get you to the point of standing up for self, saying NO, and/or having boundaries?

And if that is the case, in that sense at least, the relationship was positive and helped you to grow.

Again, we rarely ever grow through easy, harmonious, feel good experiences, situations, relationships. Quite often, we grow the most in relation to the most difficult, challenging, stressful, etc experiences, situations, and/or relationships. It's akin to tearing a muscle to facilitate growth for new and stronger muscle, which comes from hard work and stress on the body. A good analogy for how the Soul usually grows.

Btw, I plan to erase my other off topic post, but was waiting for Ana_Bee to respond.

posted November 22, 2020 03:06 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by anska5:
I can relate to what you are saying a lot and to be honest not one significant relationship (romantic or otherwise) hd noticeable node connections. Or rather they had my north node conjunct their neptune, but as my north node is in saggitarius, I had the same aspect with almost everyone in my generation. I met people who asked me out on a date who it turned I had very strong north node connection,but from my side it was lukewarm, both physical and personality attraction wise. So in my case Nodes never did anyting for me. Maybe because they are in my 6th house tightly conjunct my neptune and very widely conjunct my mars has anything to do with it.

---

posted November 22, 2020 03:34 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Maybe that is why he was in your life, to really get you to the point of standing up for self, saying NO, and/or having boundaries?

---

Agree that I learned a big lesson here but disagree that it was a positive experience. It only created trauma for me which affected me and my relationships for years and put a dent on my self-worth.

If I had understood the interpretation of Nodes correctly, it should be largely positive. Allow me to quote some sources on NN conjunct Sun:

- "The North Node certainly feels there is a future with the Sun person and is attracted to the growth the relationship represents."
- "a strong bond exists between the two of you. This aspect indicates a relationship that is constantly moving forward."
- "The Sun person expresses many of the qualities that the North Node person is intuitively drawn to expressing, and any reluctance on the Node person’s part really represents a fear of progress."

^I experienced none of the above.

quote:

---

Again, we rarely ever grow through easy, harmonious, feel good experiences, situations, relationships. Quite often, we grow the most in relation to the most difficult, challenging, stressful, etc experiences, situations, and/or relationships. It's akin to tearing a muscle to facilitate growth for new and stronger muscle, which comes from hard work and stress on the body. A good analogy for how the Soul usually grows.

---

Agree we grow through challenges which may not feel most comfortable but one must be keenly aware of the difference between positive encouragement promoting growth and emotional abuse which only serves selfish personal gratification. My ex was the latter. When I tried to break out of his control, he became spiteful and manipulative, made up stories about me etc and told people I had personal issues.

With my current guy, it is no less challenging and it changed me a great deal. I learned more things about myself and relationships than ever. It also healed a lot of old relationship wounds. It is not all rosy but it has been overall positive. I feel emotionally stronger with him. We don't have a single Nodes conjunction in Synastry. Instead, we have Nodes square IC/MC, Nodes square Saturn, Nodes trine/sextile Moon/Venus.

posted November 22, 2020 04:31 AM            

But yes, I agree with you that quite possibly, NN synastric connections are probably misinterpreted and over idealized as "feel good". And again, I would argue that is because growth is not an easy nor welcomed path for humans, and the NN relates to a path of growth.

posted November 24, 2020 09:36 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Sunnya:
...but I think the conjunctions to the NN definitely have been overplayed...

---