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H20AC
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posted November 29, 2020 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for H20AC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Has anybody ever had any experience with this aspect?
Or any planet conjunct the other person’s AC from the 12th?

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posted November 29, 2020 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Think of a cusp as a sensitive point in a field, rather than a strict "boundary". But with something so important and sensitive as the ASC, especially if a Planet is closely conjunct same, then "12th House" is not really going to factor in much.

What is the basic, essential, core meaning of conjunction? Powerfully merging/resonating with each other. In this case, one person's Mars is powerfully merging and resonating with the other person's ASC.

Hence, it is almost completely focused on the Mars-ASC connection with little of 12th.

Both Houses and Zodiac Signs btw, are much the colors of a Color wheel (or the multiple dimensions of our larger reality). Does the color "jump" from one main to color to another?

No, it gradually phases and transitions from one color to the other. This is how vibration and wavelengths of energy works. It is VERY similar with Houses/cusps and Zodiac Signs. Everything in the Universe and larger reality is interconnected and part of a larger Whole and One system. There is no true or real "separation". Everything is literally connected to everything else, especially in a vibrational, energetic, and consciousness sense.

Of course astrology is going to reflect that Archetypal deeper truth of reality.

People that deny this cusping/merging/shading in tendencies in astrology, do not much understand the larger reality nor the deeper layers of astrology and how it reflects same.

As to what it leads to most often, either very, very strong mutual sexual attraction of the lustful kind, and/or definite conflict, anger, etc. More neutrally, two people who are VERY ACTIVE with each other. As always, consider the entire Synastric chart comparison as well as the attunement of each of the native's natally.

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posted November 29, 2020 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this in my own natal chart: Leo Mars 4* above the horizon. I'm powerfully attracted to a super Leo born 8/17/87 with Sun/Venus/Mercury/Mars in my 1st House, 5* beyond my Mars.

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posted November 29, 2020 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for softissues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My sag mars were in my ex's 12th house conjunct his sag ascendant. I'm still understanding how that manifested. Nearly everything he said or did got a reaction out of me and at the same time even though I was irritated by what he said or did, it turned me on so those two conflicting emotions.

Another thing I've heard is sexual blockage or hiding your anger from them. And tbh, I do resonate with both. Sexual blockage in terms of not really being satisfied or pressing concerns of why I wasn't satisfied, religious/belief reasons tbh (has to do with sag mars I guess). And the second, I kept a lot of my intense anger hidden from him like my true feelings because I was afraid of telling him. I did a lot of things behind his back, not cheating but telling our friend about our relationship because of a pressing matter which if he knew about, he would've reacted really really badly.

He has his mars in my first so with mine conjunct his asc, it was sort of similar but I was much more repressive.

On the other side, his Uranus in my 12th house is conjunct my Aqua ascendant. He always told me to be myself and fell in love with who I was as a person. I didn't feel like I had to put up any restrictions and neither did he. We could be very "strange" with one another without judgement. Very freeing for my aqua placements lol.

And on a whole other relationship, I have my Gemini jupiter and mercury in my brother's 12th house conjunct his Gemini asc. We can talk about things from all walks of life and conversations are just easy. Sometimes we haven't spoken in days or weeks but when we do, we talks for hourssss without even realising. I do have 4 planets including sun and saturn in his 12th house (poor him loool) but I think those two planets conjuncting his ascendant do ease things up a bit.

I have a friend whose Uranus is tightly conjunct my ascendant, her uranus is in her 7th house and she always tells me about the changes in her relationships because she trusts me and knows I'll always understand (her aqua moon is in my 12th house). Her venus is also conjunct my ascendant (but that's in my first house).

I never realised how many people close to me I have this with loool. I'd say most people have their uranus in my 12th house conjunct my ascendant, they always feel they can be themselves with me.

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posted November 29, 2020 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How do I put this? Think of the 12th House cusp as coming upon a speaker that is emitting a soft tone of a certain note.

Then as you walk away from that speaker, further and further to the right and you start to hear a different and MUCH louder tone of a certain note.

By the time that you are upon (near) the new speaker with the very loud tone, how well do you hear the one you walked away from? Especially a much softer/quieter tone?

Barely, if at all. This is what it's like for a Planet coming near the ASC, except that in this analogy, the ASC doesn't just have a specific tone, but is an amplifier that the tone of the Planet plugs into and becomes very loud.

This is most especially true for a Natal chart, but it also applies some to a Synastric chart comparison as well. The ASC person brings out the energy and quality of the Planet person very strongly. In turn, the ASC person reacts strongly to that specific "coloring" of energy. (In Mars case, RED).

How people respond to that, will relate a lot to their Natal chart and how well or not they are attuned to that Planet/symbol. Some folks like Mars, and some, not so much. I don't like most red colors and shades, unless it's mixed with blue (like purple, magenta, etc) or light (rose pink).

I had a double Mars ASC conjunction with someone. Her Leo Mars was at the same degree of my Leo ASC. Then we also had double Venus opposite Sign of each other's Mars. I cannot even put into words how intensely attracted to her that I was, like nothing I have ever experienced before or since. But conflicts, misunderstandings, strong disagreements also arose. She has a sensitive ego in general, but around me it seemed especially sensitive, and she was very reactionary. Mars is very connected to the ego part of us.

(There is A LOT more to the Synastry than this though, a lot of 8th House stuff [her Leo Mars for example, ruled her Sun, 8th House, and co-ruled her Moon], strong Jupiter stuff, strong Neptune, Uranus, Moon, etc stuff).

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posted November 29, 2020 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for H20AC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you all for the answers!!!

Softissues, I have a question for you.
You said: “ religious/belief reasons tbh” where you talked about the sexual blockage you had with your ex. What do you mean by that? Did his faith/belief turn you off on a sexual level?

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posted November 29, 2020 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for H20AC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, it seems like the AC person is usually the one who’s feeling more attracted to the other person.
While the Mars person tends to have emotional reactions to everything that he other person does/says... right?

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posted November 29, 2020 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for softissues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by H20AC:
Thank you all for the answers!!!

Softissues, I have a question for you.
You said: “ religious/belief reasons tbh” where you talked about the sexual blockage you had with your ex. What do you mean by that? Did his faith/belief turn you off on a sexual level?


I had a rule of no sex before marriage and I had all types of sexual acts within that rule. I broke them out of compromise...which then ended in assault. However, that is also another thing his sexual side did turn me off on a religious level but they triggered my hidden desire so I think that's where the mars in 12th comes in. He attracted the side I keep hidden.

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posted November 29, 2020 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for H20AC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow! That was very interesting. Thanks for answering 🙏

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posted November 29, 2020 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by H20AC:
So, it seems like the AC person is usually the one who’s feeling more attracted to the other person.
While the Mars person tends to have emotional reactions to everything that he other person does/says... right?

No. Especially not in a female to male case. Remember, Mars in a relatively straight to bi woman's chart, is part of the set of symbols that indicates what kind of man/partner she is attracted to.

So when she comes upon a man/partner with that Rising Sign, she tends to experience a very strong, Mars type attraction or reaction to them (especially so if other patterns support), because he/they are her "type" in a physical, genetic, and temperament way.

But some people are uncomfortable with the amplification (ASC conjunction) of their Mars energy. Typically (or on average) men tend to be more comfortable and/or in touch with their Mars energy then women.

If the woman is a more Yin polarized type (the majority), she may try to repress that reaction, may not be as consciously aware, OR she may act like she isn't having it. Why, because part of a woman's "power" is being the "attractor" and the controller of how much and fast the sexual involvement develops. It's only after she tests the potential partner and figures out that he is relationship material, that she will really let herself fully feel all that Mars, red energy.

If she is very natally Mars and/or Yang attuned herself, she may forego all that pretense and be more direct and more "masculine like" with her attraction, and may even be the aggressor in the connection. (Some men are quite fine with that, and some are not--depends on how in touch with the Yin/Feminine the man/partner is).

Really just depends. There is no "one size fits all" and you always have to take into account the individual natal charts, the gender, the Yin-to Yang balance/polarization levels, and the full synastric chart comparison. People tend to want easy, cookie cutter definition/correlation with all this, but that's just not how it works. It's complex, relative, and should be looked at on a case by case basis.

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posted November 30, 2020 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for H20AC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
About the “you have to take the entire synastry in consideration.... etc etc...” I already know that.

The synastry, composite and Davison I have are GREAT.
The only, maybe negative aspect I had was this one.

Anyway, thank you all for sharing your experiences and for giving me your perspectives. It was an interesting chat.

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posted November 30, 2020 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great that you get that, but I see the same over simplified generalizations and generalized questions asked over, and over, and over here by many, that it's very clear that many people don't fully hold that consideration uppermost in their conscious awareness.

And since this is a public forum and a public message and not a p.m. to you and only you, I'm not just speaking to you, but generally and to the public at large--including any and all people potentially reading these posts in the future. Many of whom will be newbies, because this forum is not really considered a "serious" astrological forum/site in the wider community.

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