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Topic: Moon square Saturn in synastry
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Travelman
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posted December 04, 2020 09:51 AM
  
There are a lot of things I really like about the synastry with my new love but this is probably the hardest one we have in our synastry chart IMO (or maybe Moon square Neptune), although we don't have A LOT of challenging aspects (about a 2:1 ratio of Positive to Challenging).
When I read about this aspect it seems cold, draining, devoid of many feelings.
But as far as my gf and I, we are so warm and sensual with each other, always holding each other and loving each other's embrace, even addicted to it. Just in general, very sweet. Now I know one aspect does not make or break things but what aspects can I look for that might temper this moon/Saturn square? Because, again, I don't see any evidence of moon sq. Saturn in our relationship, at all.
I don't think there is any one thing that super positive as far as offsetting that aspect BUT, instead, a bunch of smaller things that combine to really offset that one aspect: There is a Moon sextile Saturn, Mercury sextile Saturn, NNode trine Saturn, moon, NN conjunct sun, NN sextile rising and Mars trine Saturn which help, plus we are both Saturn dominant in our natal charts and there is a rising conjunct Saturn too.
In my own chart, I have Saturn in H10 which is said to be a good placement, and Saturn conjunct sun, sextile rising, and sextile Mars. Perhaps these three natal placements help to temper the Moon sq Saturn in the synastry since I can express Saturn qualities pretty well in my own life (natal)? She also has Saturn in Cap which I would think is a great placement, in H6 which is also agreeable. Having her sun trine Saturn and conjunct moon should also help to express the Saturn sq. moon in synastry, I hope. Not sure how the sun opp. rising natal might play out when dealing with a moon sq. Saturn in synastry, however.
Plus I think her sun in my 4th house really helps to feel that comfort and my sun, mercury and venus in her 5th.
Thoughts? What can I look for that will balance out this moon square Saturn and is it as challenging an aspect as I so often hear?
(I am a hesitant to post our synastry at this juncture because I want to see how things go with us (so far amazing) for at least another half year before getting outside opionions.)IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa
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posted December 04, 2020 11:04 AM
Maybe, if you compare the natals to the composite chart, the aspect is not there anymore. I'm saying this because after a commitment was made, the relationship is more and more like the composite, and basically you interact with the composite chart, not with her natal chart.
I didn't have it in a synastry and when I compared my natal chart with the composite chart, my Moon was in square to composite Saturn and that was how I felt most of the time. Like my Moon was squared by his Saturn.
In another analysis, his natal Saturn was trine the composite Mars and that's how he was behaving with me sexually, and this aspect was not there in the synastry or composite.
Sometimes, the nature of the relationship hurts you, or it can make you feel better than the person.IP: Logged |
Travelman
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posted December 04, 2020 11:57 AM
Interesting, thanks.My Natal Moon is exactly trine the composite Saturn. Other than that, my Saturn does not make contact with the composite moon or Saturn and her natal moon and Saturn do not make contact with either the composite moon or Saturn. In the composite, there are nice aspects to Saturn, sun trine Saturn 2 degree orb, Mercury sextile Saturn 2 degree orb, Mars sextile Saturn 1 degree orb, trines rising by less than 3 degrees orb and I guess Uranus conjunct Saturn 4 degree orb is decent enough. Also Saturn sextiles vertex and juno in the composite both by 1 degree. But for sure something is really lighting up that moon square Saturn! IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa
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posted December 04, 2020 12:08 PM
Usually, the Saturn squares are not visible in the beginning. It takes time to see them act out. I think I've had them all in my relationships and it takes some time to begin to feel them.
Who's the Moon here?IP: Logged |
Travelman
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posted December 04, 2020 12:53 PM
The only thing I can hope for is the orb is wide enough where maybe the effects will be more subtle, at a little over 3 degrees of orb.I am the moon in the Moon square Saturn. We have a very wide sextile orb of 6 degrees going the other way for Moon sextile Saturn. What might you suggest to both recognize and try to avoid the more negative aspects of the moon square Saturn? This one bums me out, I thought it might at least add some binding characteristics. Other than Moon square Neptune with wide orb of 7, it is the only one I would consider to be really challenging as, otherwise, it is quite a nice synastry IMO. IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa
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posted December 04, 2020 01:28 PM
If you were the Saturn, you could have taken extra care to not hurt the Moon, but since you are the Moon and Saturn will be the one that is going to hurt you, you can only understand that is not something that has to do with you, but rather is something wrong with them. I didnt get to see how this aspect plays out, especially with the Moon, because I was out of the relationship before anything could happen, but I had it indirectly through the composite. Saturn square are playing like a judgemental, critic, not enough satisfied, person in relation to the nature of the planet. It will start with small actions and then it will show up in a more "in your face" kinda situation. Your feelings and your emotional needs could not be enough or judged by her, could be laughed at, could be a crash in understanding of your feelings and emotional needs. You can live with it, but it will be visible and felt, even if she doesn't say anything. My opinion is that no great aspect can overwrite a Saturn square. It's a sign of abuse. IP: Logged |
GalacticCoreExplosion
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posted December 04, 2020 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
Usually, the Saturn squares are not visible in the beginning. It takes time to see them act out. I think I've had them all in my relationships and it takes some time to begin to feel them.
Who's the Moon here?
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GalacticCoreExplosion
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posted December 04, 2020 01:37 PM
Also, look to the specific houses that these are in and what they rule between the charts. That can give you an understanding of where conflicts, criticisms, etc are likely to manifest the most. Sometimes it's not an all around kind of thing, but more specific and narrow to a particular area. And for Saturn, it will relate to one's insecurities and fears ultimately. And once we get into the mindset of fear, insecurity, worry, etc that's usually when we start to act controlling. Saturn is perhaps one of the most control oriented symbols there are--though Pluto can run a close second, and Mars a close 3rd. Sounds like you're still in the honeymoon phase--hence these underlying issues are not really noticed. IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa
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posted December 04, 2020 01:43 PM
Yes, they will appear after you begin to tell each other more things and be more honest. During the dating time, we are a little deceiving, wanting to leave a goof impresion and the love given is given without knowing the other person well. Any square from a malefic is a hard aspect to overcome. I didn't overcome an aspect like that until now and I don't think it can be solved, but rather just understood. IP: Logged |
Hikaru29
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posted December 06, 2020 04:36 AM
I have this aspect with my guy as well as Moon trine Saturn. I too don’t resonate with the traditional interpretation. I read that other aspects to Moon by Neptune/Venus/Jupiter can soften or negate this and we have lotsa these so maybe that’s why. What I resonate as my Saturn square his Moon is that sometimes Saturn can feel that Moon dismissed their feelings so in return, Saturn responds in a cold manner. That’s when Moon will accuse Saturn of being cold (not realising they caused it). How long have you been with your gf because Saturn aspect usually becomes apparent only after a period of time? IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa
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posted December 06, 2020 07:52 AM
Hikaru29, the thing is that the Saturn person is dealing all right with the things that the planet person does when it is in square. The planet person is really hurt when Saturn responds with coldness. IP: Logged |
Hikaru29
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posted December 06, 2020 11:56 PM
No, as Saturn I feel hurt as well although I may not show it. Moon person hurts Saturn with the little things they do and say but they’re not aware of it. That’s why I said I don’t resonate with the traditional interpretation where Saturn is being described as cold and cruel and hurting Moon unnecessarily. It will come a point where Saturn will think: “Ok, since you don’t care about my feelings, I also won’t care about yours”. When Saturn does that they come across very very cold to the Moon person so it's like since you keep throwing snowballs at me I'll release an avalanche at you. Moon would then say "Wow, I can't believe you treat me so cruelly". This has been my experience so far. My friend's Saturn also square her partner's Moon. She also feels very hurt by some of the things he said and his behaviour. She will also retaliate with extreme coldness.But this isn’t a breakup aspect because we will ignore each other then have an emotional reunion. We always talk it out after an episode. IP: Logged |
Travelman
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posted December 07, 2020 02:06 PM
Thanks for the input!I posted this topic because, even though the relationship is new, I just do not see any evidence of this aspect at all. The relationship is just so deeply warm.
The strength and type of warmth I have never experienced in 35 years. There is so much closeness and sensuality. We have discussed what to do in case either one of us is stubborn in the future, since both of us is a fixed sign, but I just can't imagine how this aspect might play out. I mean, I know Saturn comes later, but even then, it will have to sneak up on us like a ninja, I feel. The relationship is new but we spend every possible hour together. Not trying to justify the lack of this aspect, though it might seem like it, but in a 3 month period, we have probably spent more time together than 99% of couples. I dunno, it just seems so natural! Could it be that Saturn wants us to bind our emotions to each other since moon = emotions, and we are all too willing? Due to other aspects? since Saturn is binding. whereas with other synastry charts, Saturn's binding power is not so....positive? IP: Logged |
GalacticCoreExplosion
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posted December 10, 2020 01:53 AM
Oh, I very much agree that the Moon person is not always innocent and blameless. The Moon is actually a selfish symbol, and also a fairly immature one. Moon can be extremely manipulative, unconscious, fairly self centered, and downright childish. She is less "empathic" and more "sympathetic". Meaning, if she doesn't feel personally connected to something, she doesn't give a shite about it. She has to be able to personally relate for her empathy (sympathy) to work. Whereas Neptune and Jupiter for example, are universally empathic, and Venus is kind of in between Moon and Neptune/Jupiter--not so narrow as the Moon, but not as universal as the latter two. You can see this to some extent in the archetypal differences between Cancer and Pisces. Cancer is clannish, tribal, and yeah, while they have a soft side, it's only to people they personally love and care about, or can relate to (Oh, I've been through that same thing..). They can even be downright cruel to those they don't feel a connection with. For example, Moon can be connected to things like "mean girl cliques" or the like. But in a selfish, criticism, and heavy contest, Saturn definitely wins as Saturn is THE symbol which most corresponds with ASPD type traits, patterns, and tendencies (only when predominate in a Natal and a severe lack of focus on Venus, Neptune, Jupiter, and/or Sun. A very fixed chart with lots of squares to Saturn doesn't help--especially not Mars and Pluto). Moon and Saturn can be like two really bad, controlling parents, with Moon being the mom and Saturn the father. Anyways, I'm speaking more natally in the above, but some can apply to Synastry as well. Just wanted to say that yeah, Moon is not always innocent, blameless in these synastric connections. IP: Logged |
softissues
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posted December 10, 2020 05:07 PM
I can't say much except offer my own experiences. With my recent relationship, I had my sun in his 4th house and my moon (natal first) squared his Saturn in his 4th house. His natal moon in 3rd half squared my natal saturn in 3rd. It really depends on the placements of the planets. Moon square Saturn is not necessarily a problematic aspect but it did have an impact on my relationship. It was heartbreaking for me because my moon is prevalent in my chart. Honest communication is really important which I really tried to bring but we had heavy Neptune/Piscean energy in our composite like proper heavy.
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