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ARB1997
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posted December 27, 2020 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ARB1997     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was really heartbroken over this guy, even though he was only in my life for a while & now he is back texting me but still feels distant & hot/cold. I don’t know what it is about this guy but I really like him but he also does cause some emotional pain. Would love to get some insight on the synastry & composite, especially on what he feels. I know graham had said moon conjunct Saturn can be heavy but is there anything else indicating if this is a good relationship or not?

*HE IS THE CAP SUN AND HIS TIME OF BIRTH IS UNKOWN

Synastry:

https://ibb.co/cw0BZL2

https://ibb.co/jrsMj97

Composite:

https://ibb.co/XpjtvRV

https://ibb.co/JsP9KZr

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posted December 28, 2020 07:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for softissues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey love, I'm sorry you're dealing with this right now. Now it sucks that you don't have his birth time but hopefully I can help you out a little. And obviously, there are others that will be more of a help to you than me, I generally give my own experiences and opinions <3.

The moon position (I think) and rising may be a bit off. I think your Moon opposing his Saturn which is in your third may be why he appears cold and distant. I personally don't like Saturn in 3rd unless there was something else there but that's because I have a lot of Gemini and Mercurial energy in my chart. And considering your 7th house ruler is Mercury, it seems harsh.

There aren't a lot of aspects between both of you in synastry or in the composite which I haven't seen before. Like his Mars doesn't aspect your personal planets in any way.

However, something to point out is the composite Neptune square Sun. Illusion about the direction of the relationship, I assume. And if the Moon is correct, it squaring composite Saturn isn't great either. Leads to heartbreak.

Moon conjunct Saturn has the possibility of being both great and tumultuous at the same time and it can be hard on the Moon person. Alongside his Moon oppose your Mars.

His Venus is in your first house, trining your Moon and Venus which is really nice. His Moon trine your Sun and Moon is also really nice.

It'd be useful to check current transits alongside the chart (need his birth time to really make sure tho) and add Eros, Psyche and Juno into the synastry and composite.

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posted December 28, 2020 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could you post charts from astro.com as these are difficult to read
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posted December 29, 2020 04:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ARB1997     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by softissues:
Hey love, I'm sorry you're dealing with this right now. Now it sucks that you don't have his birth time but hopefully I can help you out a little. And obviously, there are others that will be more of a help to you than me, I generally give my own experiences and opinions <3.

The moon position (I think) and rising may be a bit off. I think your Moon opposing his Saturn which is in your third may be why he appears cold and distant. I personally don't like Saturn in 3rd unless there was something else there but that's because I have a lot of Gemini and Mercurial energy in my chart. And considering your 7th house ruler is Mercury, it seems harsh.

There aren't a lot of aspects between both of you in synastry or in the composite which I haven't seen before. Like his Mars doesn't aspect your personal planets in any way.

However, something to point out is the composite Neptune square Sun. Illusion about the direction of the relationship, I assume. And if the Moon is correct, it squaring composite Saturn isn't great either. Leads to heartbreak.

Moon conjunct Saturn has the possibility of being both great and tumultuous at the same time and it can be hard on the Moon person. Alongside his Moon oppose your Mars.

His Venus is in your first house, trining your Moon and Venus which is really nice. His Moon trine your Sun and Moon is also really nice.

It'd be useful to check current transits alongside the chart (need his birth time to really make sure tho) and add Eros, Psyche and Juno into the synastry and composite.


Thank you, I really appreciate your empathy and your reply. I have some questions if you wouldn't mind further elaborating?

I think he can act very cold sometimes but other times he really likes texting me so I am a bit confused - would this on off thing be related to saturn?

Yes I noticed that his mars seems to be unaspected in synastry - does this mean that he is not able to be masculine or does that mean he is not sexually attracted to me? We had LOTS of sex, and it was the first time I felt comfortable having sex with someone, as I was not able to have good sexual relationship with my first partner.

Would that illusion relate to both of us since it is in composite? Because it feels like I am the one who is hoping that it leads to a long term relationship.

I heard that moon square saturn is sometimes in the composite of marriage partners, how does this work if it is a heartbreak indicator?

Thank you!!

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posted December 29, 2020 05:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ARB1997     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by todd:
Could you post charts from astro.com as these are difficult to read
todd

Yes of course, he is the Capricorn sun with no known birth time. I also used whole sign houses...

https://ibb.co/d2NQRqD
https://ibb.co/j9KQxbX

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posted December 29, 2020 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Venus/sun/mercury conjunction is very affectionate,happy and harmonious.with the mats/Venus and pluto/Venus Midlothian NFS conjunct the node the physical/emotional attractions is magical.with Uranus square to Venus therecisca very excitable intense sexual and emotional excitement.
But the thing is the Uranus intensity does not last.the node ADP CTS are also power full but withbpluto part of the mix,sex can become the priority Rather than love.once the Firefox Uranus a besides chef intense is duality of pluto can wane.
Then the tsquarecof Saturn opposed chiron/PS che and square the mooon is problematic as this shows emotional alienation.psyche presences suggest this is older guy and young girl.this also suggest there is a degree of manipulation and control.
This almost has s/m dynamics to it.
Though there is a certainty magic here overall it doesn't look longterm or healthy.

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posted January 05, 2021 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 06, 2021 04:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ARB1997     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Todd
@Stoika Could I please get your insight on this relationship as well?

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posted January 06, 2021 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ARB1997     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 06, 2021 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey lovely ARB1997, sorry for my delay!

wow, this is fatal attraction. Venus/Mars midpoint conjunct North node opposite Juno... there's clearly an overwhelming craving and infatuation, and with the stellium square Uranus there can be love at first sight. The Uranus/Neptune square the stellium though suggests this may be especially a long distance connection, or a very platonic attraction... the juno/jupiter midpoint is square to Lilith and this is again a strong element of attraction, but south node is conjunct Juno so a real base for committment may be unattainable or short lived, especially given Uranus square to the stellium... since Saturn is opposite Chiron and square Moon, this whole situation may become very frustrating or even painful to you, I would suggest to wait and see his true intentions before getting seriously involved, cause it all looks quite unstable, especilally at emotional level it may become draining.

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posted February 10, 2021 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ARB1997     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Hey lovely ARB1997, sorry for my delay!

wow, this is fatal attraction. Venus/Mars midpoint conjunct North node opposite Juno... there's clearly an overwhelming craving and infatuation, and with the stellium square Uranus there can be love at first sight. The Uranus/Neptune square the stellium though suggests this may be especially a long distance connection, or a very platonic attraction... the juno/jupiter midpoint is square to Lilith and this is again a strong element of attraction, but south node is conjunct Juno so a real base for committment may be unattainable or short lived, especially given Uranus square to the stellium... since Saturn is opposite Chiron and square Moon, this whole situation may become very frustrating or even painful to you, I would suggest to wait and see his true intentions before getting seriously involved, cause it all looks quite unstable, especilally at emotional level it may become draining.


Thank you Stoika. He left me heartbroken again. Just seems like endless cycles of heartbreak. He said he doesn’t think we’re ever going to be in a real relationship and doesn’t just want a sexual relationship with me.

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posted February 10, 2021 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ARB1997     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Someone please help me. Why am I the only one feeling heartbroken, and being treated badly by him?! I really love him and I thought composite was supposed to be a mixture of energies, yet it feels like I am the only experiencing the tough aspects we have. Why is this?! I really would like more insight.. please and thank you. Is this just a roller coaster of hurt I have to ride?

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posted February 10, 2021 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maleja.rangel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ARB1997:
Someone please help me. Why am I the only one feeling heartbroken, and being treated badly by him?! I really love him and I thought composite was supposed to be a mixture of energies, yet it feels like I am the only experiencing the tough aspects we have. Why is this?! I really would like more insight.. please and thank you. Is this just a roller coaster of hurt I have to ride?

Hello! I think that this is where the great theory comes in that astrology, although in itself it can be good to understand the energies, does not mean that it will give a final result. WHY? The human being is very complex and that is where the decisions, the way of thinking, their emotional problems, your emotional problems, the moments of life, the level of consciousness IS SO IMPORTANT. I do not believe that charts by themselves speak. human beings are much more than that. I have seen charts so heavy and with so much love and I have seen charts so fluid that they do not last at all.

Like Steven Forrest said:

There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that
is so inherently sweet that enough selfishness, confusion about sex, or
immaturity cannot turn it sour.

There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that
is so inherently bitter that enough patience, devotion, and humility can
not only make it last, but make it something precious to both people.


Astrology is important, yes, but the conscience and the free power of decision also, You cannot find an answer in it to the emotional attachment that this person produces. Ask yourself honestly why you feel that, what is the void that he is filling or making you feel in order to work it. Probably many will tell you what they see in aspects in your chart and his. but is that really worth it? to continue in a cycle with no way out waiting for a different conclusion is difficult. make a stop and wonder why that person produces that, it is better. he has his way of acting, And what you feel, even if it is very hard to say it, is not his fault. do you know what i mean? he is only touching the buttons to an emotional problem that you have been carrying for years and that you did not see or did not want to see.

Think about it, astrology probably won't tell you, but your consciousness will. Wishing you the best and hope you don't mind my advice.

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posted February 10, 2021 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ARB1997 darling ❤️ I am so sorry for your heartbreak.
Unfortunately the Saturn-Chiron-Moon t-square is exactly about heartbreak and is very painful. Transiting North Node is currently square Composite Chiron and approaching composite Moon, so this heartbreak is not over and empowered by the nodal transit. In synastry, his Neptune is square your Saturn, he won't commit to you... I am sorry, but I suggest you to try to move on or your heartbreak is going to haunt you for a while... you will move on anyway, as the nodes will be square to Saturn. Sending you hugs ❤️

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posted February 11, 2021 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hikaru29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think what you really wanna know is why he doesn't want a real relationship with you so I wonder if it's because you're not matching his "type"....however, we can't tell without his birth time.

So all I can say is if he keeps breaking your heart then he's not worth it. Let him go and one day he may come to his senses... or not...but more importantly is you take care of your own wellbeing. ❤️

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posted February 16, 2021 12:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ARB1997     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Stoika7:
ARB1997 darling ❤️ I am so sorry for your heartbreak.
Unfortunately the Saturn-Chiron-Moon t-square is exactly about heartbreak and is very painful. Transiting North Node is currently square Composite Chiron and approaching composite Moon, so this heartbreak is not over and empowered by the nodal transit. In synastry, his Neptune is square your Saturn, he won't commit to you... I am sorry, but I suggest you to try to move on or your heartbreak is going to haunt you for a while... you will move on anyway, as the nodes will be square to Saturn. Sending you hugs ❤️

Thank you Stoika. I really appreciate your reply, I am sorry I took a while to reply but I just needed some time to get my emotions straight.

We are still talking which is why these transits scare me a little bit.

Could you please elaborate a little on what these transits mean?

When you say this heartbreak is not over, does that transit indicate he is most likely going to hurt me again? Or does this mean I'm still going to feel hurt by the previous heartbreak?

Also, what do you mean I will move on when the nodes are square Saturn? Does this indicate a permanent separation? Or is it just an indication of the heartbreak ending?

I always get super confused by transits so I am hoping you can break them down for me a little more, please.

Thank you so much Stoika.

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posted February 16, 2021 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ARB1997     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hikaru29:
I think what you really wanna know is why he doesn't want a real relationship with you so I wonder if it's because you're not matching his "type"....however, we can't tell without his birth time.

So all I can say is if he keeps breaking your heart then he's not worth it. Let him go and one day he may come to his senses... or not...but more importantly is you take care of your own wellbeing. ❤️


I asked him why he doesn't want a relationship.. he said because he realizes he keeps hurting me and that he is a selfish person and because he is aware of how he acts like that he doesn't want a relationship currently. I guess I am kind of using astrology as a tool to figure out if he doesn't want a relationship or if he doesn't want a relationship with me. It does suck that I dont know his birth time.

I appreciate you saying that I am going to continue to keep taking care of my mental health and hopefully things work out in my favour in the long run.

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posted February 16, 2021 01:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ARB1997     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by maleja.rangel:
Hello! I think that this is where the great theory comes in that astrology, although in itself it can be good to understand the energies, does not mean that it will give a final result. WHY? The human being is very complex and that is where the decisions, the way of thinking, their emotional problems, your emotional problems, the moments of life, the level of consciousness IS SO IMPORTANT. I do not believe that charts by themselves speak. human beings are much more than that. I have seen charts so heavy and with so much love and I have seen charts so fluid that they do not last at all.

Like Steven Forrest said:

There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that
is so inherently sweet that enough selfishness, confusion about sex, or
immaturity cannot turn it sour.

There is no manner of astrological interaction between two people that
is so inherently bitter that enough patience, devotion, and humility can
not only make it last, but make it something precious to both people.


Astrology is important, yes, but the conscience and the free power of decision also, You cannot find an answer in it to the emotional attachment that this person produces. Ask yourself honestly why you feel that, what is the void that he is filling or making you feel in order to work it. Probably many will tell you what they see in aspects in your chart and his. but is that really worth it? to continue in a cycle with no way out waiting for a different conclusion is difficult. make a stop and wonder why that person produces that, it is better. he has his way of acting, And what you feel, even if it is very hard to say it, is not his fault. do you know what i mean? he is only touching the buttons to an emotional problem that you have been carrying for years and that you did not see or did not want to see.

Think about it, astrology probably won't tell you, but your consciousness will. Wishing you the best and hope you don't mind my advice.


Thank you so much, I am grateful you offered me advice on my situation. I completely understand what you are saying and as I continue my journey with this individual still in my life, I will keep trying to dwell on my own conscience and try to understand how I feel more deeply.

But I do also want to understand the astrological significance behind everything as in a weird way it does give me a sense of comfort. That perhaps these things were just life events already written in the stars for me.

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posted February 16, 2021 01:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ARB1997     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by todd:
The Venus/sun/mercury conjunction is very affectionate,happy and harmonious.with the mats/Venus and pluto/Venus Midlothian NFS conjunct the node the physical/emotional attractions is magical.with Uranus square to Venus therecisca very excitable intense sexual and emotional excitement.
But the thing is the Uranus intensity does not last.the node ADP CTS are also power full but withbpluto part of the mix,sex can become the priority Rather than love.once the Firefox Uranus a besides chef intense is duality of pluto can wane.
Then the tsquarecof Saturn opposed chiron/PS che and square the mooon is problematic as this shows emotional alienation.psyche presences suggest this is older guy and young girl.this also suggest there is a degree of manipulation and control.
This almost has s/m dynamics to it.
Though there is a certainty magic here overall it doesn't look longterm or healthy.

Todd,

Whenever you have a chance could you let me know if you think there is any chance of reconcilliation with this relationship?

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posted February 16, 2021 02:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When a man says he doesn’t want a relationship, believe him.

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posted February 16, 2021 03:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ARB1997     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vansio:
When a man says he doesn’t want a relationship, believe him.

I did, left him alone.. until he came back and told me that he is still interested in wanting one with me in the future, just does not want to date in general right now because he feels too selfish to do so and didn't like that we just kept having sex.. made him feel guilty. Maybe I am naive but I believe him.

it is quite MORE complicated than I am explaining but I do not want to explain the entire situation on an internet forum... just would appreciate some astrological insight.

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posted February 16, 2021 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stoika7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ARB1997:
Thank you Stoika. I really appreciate your reply, I am sorry I took a while to reply but I just needed some time to get my emotions straight.

We are still talking which is why these transits scare me a little bit.

Could you please elaborate a little on what these transits mean?

When you say this heartbreak is not over, does that transit indicate he is most likely going to hurt me again? Or does this mean I'm still going to feel hurt by the previous heartbreak?

Also, what do you mean I will move on when the nodes are square Saturn? Does this indicate a permanent separation? Or is it just an indication of the heartbreak ending?

I always get super confused by transits so I am hoping you can break them down for me a little more, please.

Thank you so much Stoika.


The thing is that the Saturn/Chiron-Psyche/Moon t-square is a painful and toxic aspect underlying the relationship, so this is a theme in your dynamic, and the nodal transit is activating this aspect currently. Meanwhile, Jupiter is square to Juno/South Node, and Pluto retrograde is conjunct Uranus square Comp. Venus, so it looks like you're both "clinging" to the relationship via such painful dynamic.
I think that as tr. Saturn will be square to JUno/South Node in May there may be separation, but the thing is that meanwhile the nodal transit will keep triggering the t-square since north node will be conjunct Moon square Saturn... this is why my advice is to move on, 'cause it looks like the heartbreak won't be over soon... I am so sorry and I hope to be wrong, I can't see favourable developments in the near future... in any case, keep updating... Hugs ❤️

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