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Topic: Comparing Natals to Composite charts
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softissues
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posted December 29, 2020 06:56 AM
  
Hi everyone so this is kind of my new obsession for right now looking at Natal charts compared to the Composite and I'm ngl it's so intriguing. Does anyone have any insight, advice or stories in relation to this? Maybe this may spur those who haven't checked this before to do so, I find them to be very significant and telling to how a relationship will affect both of you. I had some questions as well, what happens when someone's stellium falls in the Composite 8th house? From the surface, it looks sexually charged but I guess it could also point to trust issues and concern with possessions.
What about natal Mars conjuncts the Composite vertex (exact degrees)? I've heard that Mar's person will be in charge of the course of the relationship. And both of your Jupiter's conjunct the composite Jupiter in the 5th house? In this case, both would be opposed to the moon so I'm thinking two different cultural backgrounds tying them together? IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa
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posted December 29, 2020 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by softissues:
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And both of your Jupiter's conjunct the composite Jupiter in the 5th house? In this case, both would be opposed to the moon so I'm thinking two different cultural backgrounds tying them together?
Since they both are born close to each other in time, it doesn't matter more than the Jupiter conjunct Jupiter in the synastry. Who's moon? Your's, your partener's or the composite Moon? IP: Logged |
softissues
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posted December 29, 2020 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
Since they both are born close to each other in time, it doesn't matter more than the Jupiter conjunct Jupiter in the synastry.Who's moon? Your's, your partener's or the composite Moon?
Hi, the composite moon! IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa
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posted December 29, 2020 03:28 PM
There is going to be a back and forward between the emotional needs of the relationship and the expansion of Jupiter in the areas indicated by the houses in which Moon and Jupiter are. This is an aspect of compromise in which none of the planets are fully satisfied, in the end. There is always going to be this compromise, they both seek balance, but they don't find it. It has to be read as a whole with the other placements and aspects.
Also, applies to your natal charts since your Jupiter is in opposition to the composite Moon.But this two are beneficial planets, so it's not so bad as when the planets involved were Saturn and Mars, for an example. IP: Logged |
softissues
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posted December 29, 2020 03:31 PM
For reference, it's the chart which I asked you to see earlier, I've been trying to compare the natals to the composite. Composite Moon sits in 11th while Jupiter sits in 5th. But that sounds exhausting.IP: Logged |
softissues
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posted December 29, 2020 03:33 PM
In another chart, I had my natal moon conjunct the composite Venus and Uranus all in the 1st. IP: Logged |
softissues
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posted December 29, 2020 03:36 PM
In another chart, I had my natal moon conjunct the composite Venus and Uranus all in the 1st. IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa
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posted December 29, 2020 03:43 PM
I saw that Graham explained them pretty well. It seems to be a long term relationship because there are a lot of aspects to the angles. Saturn is in conjunct to the DC to one of you. Jupiter is conjuncting the IC of one of you. And Jupiter/Saturn is in conjunction to the DC of the other.
What it bothered me was the Chiron conjunct to the MC, which is in the public eye. Maybe the career of the MC person is going to hurt the Chiron person, but also could help him overcome some personal wounds related to expansion, higher education, philosophy of life, which seems like is part of his identity being in the 1st house. He is also with his Juno conjunct your ASC, so this one is powerful. It seems pretty stable. IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa
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posted December 29, 2020 03:51 PM
Also, he is with his Pluto on your MC along with Chiron. I don't know what to make of this. Also your Pluto is conjunct his ASC. Probably the attraction is really powerful, but there are chances that this could lead to power struggles.
Your Pluto is square his Sun and Mercury. This is kinda a sign of obssession because you will not be able to control him and you will want to control him. Even if you can be the powerful one, it is still going to stir that possessive behaviour in you, because you will feel that you have no control over him.But it is stable with the angles. Maybe you can work out the other harmful aspects. Edited:
Stoika explained it already. The saturn aspects in synastry don't show up in the composite so I think there will be trouble keeping the relationship with Saturn in the 4th house which will restrict ***your home and nurturing qualities** EDITED and making it a cold environment, but you two have the North Node in Cancer, which is the family and home sign, which makes sense, since none of you have mastered that part yet. Juno is opposite Uranus, which again is about instability, you are pretty uranian, but I guess a conjunction would be for you. IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa
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posted December 29, 2020 04:04 PM
There are aspects that could help you both to reach your north node in the natal charts, but you are too young yet, to think about that. That part of your lives will be developed in the second part of your lives. Right now it scares both of you. I have North Node in Capricorn and I started working on my North Node two years ago and I turn 30 next year. IP: Logged |
softissues
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posted December 29, 2020 04:06 PM
I saw Graham explained a little but I'm waiting for more of his input. I never looked at it like that, thank you! And yes I have a career or rather I'm working towards it while he isn't so that may undermine his ego. And I'm obsessed because look at what I'm doing rn, literally doing an analysis of a composite of someone I've never met before. Obsessed to another level but I guess I'm just planning ahead. I've never thought to look at composite angles in conjunction to Natals and reversing that.IP: Logged |
softissues
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posted December 29, 2020 04:10 PM
Hmm interesting, that seems sad. Tbh idk if the cancer node waiting part applies to me because I'm very concerned about the home, family etc and that's always something I'm aware of despite my young age.I don't understand tho so with juno oppose uranus and because I'm Uranian, what does that mean? That I'll leave or want to break up? IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa
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posted December 29, 2020 04:13 PM
To compare the natals to composite, look at the angles, the nodal nodes, 5th house, 7th house, what planets are there, and then look in the composite to see if the person with the natal could like the composite, in terms of conjunctions and oppositions, same signs. You could also look for the midpoints of the natal to see if any planet from the composite is in conjunction to any important midpoint.If a person is Uranian, you look for uranian placements, or aspects, between Uranus, 11th house, or rulers.
If it's Neptunian, you look for Pisces, 12th house. It's important the North Node in the natal too. IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa
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posted December 29, 2020 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by softissues:
Hmm interesting, that seems sad. Tbh idk if the cancer node waiting part applies to me because I'm very concerned about the home, family etc and that's always something I'm aware of despite my young age.I don't understand tho so with juno oppose uranus and because I'm Uranian, what does that mean? That I'll leave or want to break up?
It's the composite. It's hard to tell which one will be. Like I said earlier, the opposition is an aspect of compromise. The commitment that Juno seeks is opposed to the freedon that Uranus wants. So there will be many back and forward situations in which you both will talk or struggle or make compromises for the sake of the relationship. IP: Logged |
softissues
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posted December 29, 2020 04:23 PM
Thank you for this, what would you say his dominant is? I'll be more mindful of these positions. Idk I saw his mars conjunct the composite vertex in 7th so I feel like he'll be the one in charge controlling the relationship. Idm giving up control to someone who is capable of that control and if I respect them so that doesn't concern me too much.IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa
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posted December 29, 2020 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by softissues:
Thank you for this, what would you say his dominant is? I'll be more mindful of these positions. Idk I saw his mars conjunct the composite vertex in 7th so I feel like he'll be the one in charge controlling the relationship. Idm giving up control to someone who is capable of that control and if I respect them so that doesn't concern me too much.
I don't know what it means when Mars is conjunct the composite vertex.
I would say that Mercury is his dominant planet, but you could go to astro-seek.com and calculated it there. It easier because aspects matter, placements or angles. I would say to not think too much about this. You haven't met him yet. The synastry looks binding, but the composite is not, so after a relationship starts, the composite becomes valid. It's good to look at it so you can know what to expect.
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mee_chryssa
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posted December 29, 2020 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by softissues:
I saw Graham explained a little but I'm waiting for more of his input. I never looked at it like that, thank you! And yes I have a career or rather I'm working towards it while he isn't so that may undermine his ego. And I'm obsessed because look at what I'm doing rn, literally doing an analysis of a composite of someone I've never met before. Obsessed to another level but I guess I'm just planning ahead. I've never thought to look at composite angles in conjunction to Natals and reversing that.
That's ok! I used to think that too when comparing charts with someone that I just met, but in the end, I keep the dates for further analysis.  I still do the charts for people that are no longer in my life. I always find something now that I haven't looked at. IP: Logged |
Graham
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posted December 29, 2020 04:39 PM
Astrologer Bob Marks compared the Davison Chart against each of the two natal charts from which it was calculated. He called this comparison a Marks Chart (naming it after himself).Check out his reasoning for doing this only with the Davison Chart ... just in case he had concluded that doing so with the Composite Chart was not valid. However, I cannot recall him having arrived at the conclusion.
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/markschart28.0.htm IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa
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posted December 29, 2020 04:45 PM
Yeah, I do it with the Davison because it's easier to calculated it, while with the composite midpoint I have to think about it and calculate it myself. Most of the placements will be the same. Some will just reverse, but still it changes something in the chart.IP: Logged |
softissues
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posted December 29, 2020 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by Graham:
Astrologer Bob Marks compared the Davison Chart against each of the two natal charts from which it was calculated. He called this comparison a Marks Chart (naming it after himself).Check out his reasoning for doing this only with the Davison Chart ... just in case he had concluded that doing so with the Composite Chart was not valid. However, I cannot recall him having arrived at the conclusion.
Ooo interesting, i shall delve into that more. Tbh I haven't really looked at Davison charts in depths but I probably should. Thank you! IP: Logged |
softissues
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posted December 29, 2020 05:00 PM
But just a question, what's the point in starting a relationship if I know that it won't hold up you know? And especially in regards to the nodes, what if we start the relationship later when we're already working on our nodes, would it warm up the Saturn? I've been more open minded with Saturn placements as places of binding and discipline so we can work on it collectively. With everyone's input so far, I feel like this relationship may be one that starts with uber passion but fizzles out where one doesn't recognise the other and the things that sparked passion in each other become unbearable or draining but idk I feel like this chart represents the typical old fiery couple. But again, everything is up in the air. I might meet him and just really not like him which would be funny because I wasted my time but everything is a learning experience deep down. IP: Logged |
mee_chryssa
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posted December 29, 2020 05:23 PM
Because some relationships are short term, but also meaningful, and others are going to stick by you. You could still have something positive to learn from him. And life will take you both separate ways. Saturn is a karmic planet. The 4th house lessons are there because that area is missing between you. IP: Logged |
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