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Topic: 8th house not a 'long-term'/'real'' House?
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Newflake Posts: 8
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posted January 18, 2021 05:17 AM
  
Really I'm talking just about planets falling into, but I suppose Scorpio/Pluto-whatever can be included.There's a lot of talk by aateurs as the 8th being a "relationship house". To ME, this means long-term compatibility("real"). But, I don't know if this is really true. I'm parsing a Composite book right now, and not just isn't the 8th mentioned here as being a "relationship" house (5/7/11, also 4), but the main word for H8 is that the relationship is "transformative". The problem is something cannot "transform" you over and over, months on years etc. Transformation is a brief, a moment, a shock. So where's the longevity of the 8th?! Synastry-wise, I will admit there's an urge to go deep with someone in my 8th - but I've never LTR'd with an 8th-connector. So it seems there's desire to connect, but once the "transform" happens --- Nothing (the relationship ends without other stuff being glue) ?! (Pluto aspects don't really do anything for me because I'm Pluto/Scorpio heavy as is, and Pluto except in elders (leo) plays well with my chart so I don't feel each relationship being different. But I can see how Pluto aspects, be it Synastry or Compodite, do the "shock" thing too - are not indications of long-termness/realness. So...) IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted January 18, 2021 08:16 AM
Well some things can indeed 'transform' over a lifetime. If you think of personal development - you can be working on some aspect of yourself your whole life. Some take less time, but some are lifelong endeavours, such as recovering from trauma - this can be a lifelong transformation.It just depends on your goals and whether the conditions favour a quick or long transformation IMHO. In addition, something that occurs within a relationship can change the rest of your life, which triggers a domino effect. ------------------
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Graham
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posted January 18, 2021 09:14 AM
In Planets in Composite, Robert Hand stated (in 1975) :-"Traditionally the 8th is the house of death, but this is not limited to actual physical death. It really means the passing away of any old order and the building of a new one. Therefore we refer to the 8th as the house of major transformations. A strong 8th house may signify some great involvement with property, but it is more likely to mean a relationship of great significance that will bring about major changes in the lives of the two people, especially at the psychological level."
In natal astrology, the 2nd/8th axis is about own/others values. So, the 8th provides us with feedback from others - which is (or should be) used to review the validity of our own/personal values, and change them if warranted.
However, those who do not use feedback from others to make necessary changes in their own values will probably never understand why the 8th is referred to as the house of major transformations. IP: Logged |
ESSSSSC
Newflake Posts: 8
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posted January 23, 2021 06:53 PM
Graham-
Yep, Robert Hand's was the Composite book I was reading at the time.Voix-
Yep, "transform" can't happen/be forever.
/edit: It may seem like I misunderstood what you said, but I didn't I promise. Sorry if my response is confusing./
I guess I just misunderstood this House. I've read it as the house of "deep bonding", which I took to mean glue-y - but no, a proper description in this sense would be "deep relating". I expected I had found the promised land when I had a Composite S/Mer/V/Mars-8 trine Moon-12 Composite... but it was nothing more than a flashBANG.
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teasel
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posted January 23, 2021 10:12 PM
To me, it's when the relationship gets serious. People usually move in together, maybe share a bank account, once they get married. You're responsible for each other (which is where the sixth house also comes in). Getting married ensures that you are seen as family, if they get admitted to the hospital, spouses share insurance.  IP: Logged | |
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