posted February 14, 2021 01:09 PM            

We've confided with each other about things that we wouldn't otherwise tell other people (like our sexuality). We're both closeted. I'm like her emotional support friend who's been with her through thick and thin and I'm left wondering why she's all of a sudden ignoring me.

Is this the end of our friendship?

posted February 15, 2021 01:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Hi zionkay

Yes currently there's apparently some kind of detachment with transiting north node conjunct composite Venus/Vertex square to Comp. Saturn.
But I don't think this is the end of your friendship. Mercury is retrograde in Aquarius in your comp. third house square to ASC/DSC and the nodes, so this looks like a temporary situation of difficult communication, but tr. Jupiter square the Nodes will keep your connection alive, with the same square to the ASC/DSC, you will gain more knowledge about each other after this detachment phase. I believe you will reconnect in the second part of March, when the nodes will leave the square to Saturn and Jupiter will be conjunct to IC.

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Hi Stoika! Once again, thank you for this. You're amazing.

Sometimes I feel as though the friendship is always about her, with me existing in her life merely to support her when she's down. She's a nice person but now that she said that she's distancing from me (and she doesnt know when she's going to contact me again) I'm starting to wonder if I still have a place in her life because she has no problems cutting me off. I'm contemplating on whether on not to sever the friendship completely as well but since I was too invested with our friendship for years, I wasn't able to form other friendships with others. There was also a time where I was living vicariously through her relationships and this is part of the reason why I wanted to cut her off in my life because it dawned on me that it's unhealthy.

Could the jupiter square saturn in composite mean that the friendship will potentially and eventually lead to an ending once a planet in transit triggers it? Or could our friendship still last...

And just curious though, if there's a romantic side in our composite because of subtle hints im getting from her.

Thank you!

posted February 15, 2021 05:33 PM            

I understand your point entirely. There are actually a few "unabalanced" aspects in the chart, and also a toxic element. Chiron is in 11th house of friendship and it is square to Mercury. If we consider Mercury as the ruler of Chiron and of the 11th house, and carrying the Virgo energy of "serving", this configuration may point to the frustration of one of the two (you) who is giving/supporting more than the other. Then, Jupiter, in Gemini, also ruled by mercury, is widely opposite Pluto... it is a bit wide for my taste, but still may point to an opportunistic side. Mercury is quincunx Pluto and Uranus (forming a YOD) and this may again look like one imposing their priorities/willpower over the other. Then, with Pluto square Moon/MC there's a subtle power struggle at emotional level, this looks quite controlling/obsessive pattern, with basic elements of conflict and potential manipulation (as much as Mercury quincunx Pluto), yet extremely binding.
The Jupiter/Saturn square is a bit too wide, so I am not sure this would definitely point to separation. Vertex/Venus square to Saturn looks more bindind "by fate/karma" than bringing separation, but transiting north node hitting this aspect may actually also point to a "peak" in this karma, likely suggesting that "all chickens come home to roost" or something like that.
So, honestly, I am not 100% sure. If I didn't see tr. Jupiter traveling towards IC after being square to the nodes (the latter currently right there), I would say that tr. nodes square Saturn would definitely bring parting ways. But since Mercury is retrograde in your Comp. 3rd house, I'd assume it's more temporary, it looks more like a in-depth review of your friendship history, taking stock of it, and acting accordingly (which, from your part, may bring you to go for detachment)... but consider that mercury retrograde may proverbially mislead judgment and decisions, and choices during such transits usually bring more damage than not :-) (which, as for judgment, may actually include very well my reading, lol)

I would mainly say that a transformation of the relationship is possible from now on. Likely tr. Jupiter is giving more awareness/acknowledgement on the dynamics and unbalance of the relationship.

As for your question, yes, there may be a subconscious sexual attraction with the 8th house stellium and Pluto in the first house, but it may be better to check placements such as Lilith, Eros and Psyche for that.

posted February 16, 2021 03:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Stoika7:
Hi again! ❤️

I understand your point entirely. There are actually a few "unabalanced" aspects in the chart, and also a toxic element. Chiron is in 11th house of friendship and it is square to Mercury. If we consider Mercury as the ruler of Chiron and of the 11th house, and carrying the Virgo energy of "serving", this configuration may point to the frustration of one of the two (you) who is giving/supporting more than the other. Then, Jupiter, in Gemini, also ruled by mercury, is widely opposite Pluto... it is a bit wide for my taste, but still may point to an opportunistic side. Mercury is quincunx Pluto and Uranus (forming a YOD) and this may again look like one imposing their priorities/willpower over the other. Then, with Pluto square Moon/MC there's a subtle power struggle at emotional level, this looks quite controlling/obsessive pattern, with basic elements of conflict and potential manipulation (as much as Mercury quincunx Pluto), yet extremely binding.
The Jupiter/Saturn square is a bit too wide, so I am not sure this would definitely point to separation. Vertex/Venus square to Saturn looks more bindind "by fate/karma" than bringing separation, but transiting north node hitting this aspect may actually also point to a "peak" in this karma, likely suggesting that "all chickens come home to roost" or something like that.
So, honestly, I am not 100% sure. If I didn't see tr. Jupiter traveling towards IC after being square to the nodes (the latter currently right there), I would say that tr. nodes square Saturn would definitely bring parting ways. But since Mercury is retrograde in your Comp. 3rd house, I'd assume it's more temporary, it looks more like a in-depth review of your friendship history, taking stock of it, and acting accordingly (which, from your part, may bring you to go for detachment)... but consider that mercury retrograde may proverbially mislead judgment and decisions, and choices during such transits usually bring more damage than not :-) (which, as for judgment, may actually include very well my reading, lol)

I would mainly say that a transformation of the relationship is possible from now on. Likely tr. Jupiter is giving more awareness/acknowledgement on the dynamics and unbalance of the relationship.

As for your question, yes, there may be a subconscious sexual attraction with the 8th house stellium and Pluto in the first house, but it may be better to check placements such as Lilith, Eros and Psyche for that.

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It's crazy that you mentioned Virgo energy of "serving" because one of us has Venus in Virgo. And Chiron being in Virgo might pertain to trying to heal the other person by being her emotional support and a sort of "savior", but later on becomes toxic for feeling unneeded anymore once her problems have been unloaded.

The part where you mentioned about one imposing their willpower over the other, subtle power struggles, and obsessive patterns are on point. and i think that's because we're both Plutonic and one of us has Pluto in Scorpio in the 11th house. It makes me wonder if that placement makes it hard to form long lasting and healthy connections with friends or will it always lead to unbalanced friendships and trying to control the other. And i've heard that that placement makes the person a loner.

For my part, it makes me wonder if me giving her emotional support and being there for her 100% of the time is subconsciously my way of manipulating her and controlling her given that she's the only one I have at the moment. I can't thank you enough for replying though. It makes me reflect on my own behavior. If I should let this go because I'm subconsciously manipulating her through the guise of being her emotional anchor. Is the lesson for me to stop being too involved with my future friends, and to stop being too emotionally invested in them.... this is hard as I've had friendships that ended like this before.

And the part where you mentioned that it's fated is true as well. Because she was able to meet her karmic partner through me and that partner share some similar placements with me.

I guess I'll just put off confronting her once this mercury retrograde is over.

posted February 16, 2021 03:11 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
The transiting uranus/Pluto midpoint will be square the transiting nose and conjunct the midpoint of the composite Saturn/Venus square on the 22-23 of February.
This is an aspect of dissolution .from your discussions with stoika I think you have a good idea why the breakup is occurring. Maybe in the far future...but in the near future there us no possibility of a reconciliation.

todd

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breaks my heart that there's a possibility of no reconciliation but i guess i'll let things unfold between us. I guess her purpose in my life is to teach me to not get involved in unbalanced friendships that are no longer serving me.

Thanks for your reply todd and i'll probably update this thread to let you guys know what happens.

posted February 24, 2021 01:21 AM            

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Originally posted by zionkay:
breaks my heart that there's a possibility of no reconciliation but i guess i'll let things unfold between us. I guess her purpose in my life is to teach me to not get involved in unbalanced friendships that are no longer serving me.

Thanks for your reply todd and i'll probably update this thread to let you guys know what happens.

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posted February 25, 2021 12:51 PM            

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Originally posted by ARB1997:
I felt like your composite has some similar aspects to the one I’m sharing with a guy who keeps breaking my heart. I noticed that something Todd said about feb 22-23 and it resonated true for my chart, although it was affecting a Saturn moon square I think and not Saturn Venus. Did you feel any tension with your friend the past two days?

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Hi! Todd was right about Feb 23 but during this time my friend reached out to me and explained her disappearing from my life. She said that she just needed space and we talked about the unbalanced dynamic of our friendship. She apologized to me and it was a healing reconciliation for the both of us.

Stoika7 was right that it was only a temporary break-up. We were able to re-examine our friendship and tried to work things out again.