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posted July 02, 2021 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With Moon square Pluto in synastry? Does the Pluto person ever completely let go of the Moon person?

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posted July 02, 2021 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’ve been Pluto, or still am. I “let go” constantly because I have to on principle, to survive.

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posted July 02, 2021 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto is about obsessions and letting go. It might not let go deep inside, but it won’t surrender.

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posted July 02, 2021 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Librapurr:
Pluto is about obsessions and letting go. It might not let go deep inside, but it won’t surrender.

I mean does the Pluto person ever completely move on from the Moon person? As the Moon person I don’t think I’m ever not going to feel the intensity from this aspect. Like even if I go years without seeing this person. When I see them again I feel that feeling all over again.

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posted July 02, 2021 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I mean does the Pluto person ever completely move on from the Moon person? As the Moon person I don’t think I’m ever not going to feel the intensity from this aspect. Like even if I go years without seeing this person. When I see them again I feel that feeling all over again.

as the Moon person you say that you also cannot let go of Pluto?

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posted July 02, 2021 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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as the Moon person you say that you also cannot let go of Pluto?

I am the Moon person and I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to let him go completely. I really don’t understand why because I talk to other men. We go months or even years without seeing each other. Then I end up seeing him again and I start to want him all over again.

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posted July 03, 2021 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vansio:
I’ve been Pluto, or still am. I “let go” constantly because I have to on principle, to survive.

Thank you for sharing how you feel as the Pluto person. Can you elaborate?

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posted July 03, 2021 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well my natal Pluto is in my fifth house, and sure (yes), I’m obsessed with him, pretty much indefinitely. I even can lose my appetite, that’s how much I get consumed by him.

The thing I try my best to be mindful of is to not be invasive or possessive or scared, hence the feeling of having to “let go [let god]” constantly. 2nd thing I have to be mindful of is trying not to psychoanalyze him to death (ego. control the emotional landscape...) it’s difficult to not make comments when you can sense enough of someone’s soul trash. My moon is in my own 8th house and sextile my own Pluto

He’s going through a Transit Pluto conjunct his natal Venus atm, when we reconnected was during this time period (the week we met up this transit first-exacted), after so many years apart - so guess the synastry aspect sticks.

I could only wish to know more what Moon (he) feels. He harbored feelings for me for years, only to come out of the woodwork like hellfire, and then back away again. But the second exact Pluto transit conjunction is coming in a month. I’m definitely curious how this will play out, if I’m still a key player in the transit game or not. Guy is also getting divorced so that ending must be brutal and majorly Plutonian.

My biggest question for Moon is “Do you want us to let go?” Because ya’ll act like you don’t want us. Throw a love bone and mean it... love > fear 🤷🏽‍♀️ An abandonment issue between both parties, in the connection will need to get over it pronto.

lol I’ve been stood up by Moon a few times. grateful that I know astrology enough to have learnt to not take Moon’s behavior personally. But then I also feel like an as*hole for sticking around, to not leave while he pushes me away, am made to feel I’m encroaching him or something. When I’m trying to face the “fear” with him at this point.

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posted July 03, 2021 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@vansio: As the Moon person I can say that we feel it too. It's really intense for us. We hide because the feeling can be overwhelming. It feels like the Pluto person can see through us. But at the same time we like the feeling. But can only handle it in doses. When it get's too be too much we hide. I do have Moon square Pluto in my own chart. It might be different for your guy. Depending on his Moon aspects.

A few weeks ago I saw the Pluto person again after two years. And the same thing happened I felt the intensity and it was overwhelming. His coworker interrupted calling his name and broke the connection lol.

He has Pluto in his fifth house too. But Pluto doesn't do much in his natal chart. It only makes a trine to his Mars, Mercury and Ascendant.

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posted July 03, 2021 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We do want the Pluto person we are just afraid. Because our emotions are involved. If the Moon person has hard aspects to their Moon in their own chart. It's really difficult I have Moon in Aquarius and Moon square Pluto. I've always had my own emotional issues.

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posted July 03, 2021 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Moon person is afraid of getting hurt by Pluto. I know it's no excuse for the behavior but that's really the truth.

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posted July 03, 2021 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He also has moon in Aquarius, conjunct my Sun.

His Moon doesn’t make an official square to his Scorpio Pluto, would be too wide. But he has a sextile to Saturn and Venus, and more minor aspects.

Child of Venus, you’re right, it’s really not an excuse. Do both a favor and stop avoiding it? Enacting your worst fear, an presumed expectation, helps no one. This aspect is there to stay, so make the best of it! by owning up all of you, including your feelings. Start there ~ express them. whatever it is, Pluto gonna deeply enjoy it, for better or worse who cares. Yo, at the very least with this person is bonafide FREE therapy. I don’t mean projecting crap onto him and wanting him to respond in accountability - I mean reclaiming your own crap that comes up to the surface by nature of the synastry - and from there, choose Love, the chance to become Whole. What else do any of us want?

But honestly my moon is the 8th house, always going out on a limb - always dying. I sort of get that people aren’t in the same boat.

Sorry I’ve had a beer. Not sure if what I say applies or matters. my Saturn is also in Aquarius so there’s that ✊🏽🤍

Get hurt get squirt boo

If moon keeps doing nothing, then they don’t actually like the Pluto person; I will rest my case there (since it’s what i deal with). It’s just an attachment to their own foible/demise. Give it up. (😅- me complaining outloud here to him.)


Not going to lie that it makes me feel like an a*shole trying to get through to him/Moon. That these feelings matter, and it can be good. It’s sick trying to prove it.

Big hug from the mindf*ck society called Moon Pluto square 🤗

Methinks this framework for both parties comes down to Authenticity... Honesty and Dishonesty

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posted July 03, 2021 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I get what you are saying but this guy is a Gemini Sun with Gemini Venus. He's a player so there is no point in me admitting my feelings. Why? Just to get hurt? I'm protecting my heart and feelings.

Pluto tends to plays games with and manipulates the Moon. The Pluto person isn't capable of feeling what the Moon feels with this aspect. We know Pluto has the power to crush us emotionally. So we try to avoid the connection. Personally I can't deal with emotional pain it hurts too much.

I don't think air Moons do well with this aspect in synastry. Unless their Pluto makes an aspect to their own Moon. As the Pluto person I think you may feel strongly because your Pluto aspects your Moon and you have Moon in the 8th house.

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posted July 03, 2021 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah I’m with you.. in the sense that suspicion tends to run very high.

the square aspect. But what I get from you is it’s too intense for Moon..

My mom and my best friend have their Aqua moons same to him, square my Pluto. The issue then could be finding this aspect in dating, since actual sex could be involved. In my case, the Moon square Pluto aspect repeats in our composite.


About admitting your feeling... I always recommend expressing them, or at least hold ones own hand and go forth in what it might reveal. If you recognize a risk, all the wiser. To face the fear makes it smaller.

My Moon guy is also a “player”. (So much so that it would be very hard to believe Moon has ongoing, let alone an honest feeling for me, if not for your own explanation. He’s told me that I’m “only a distraction, that he’s not good for me, wasting each other’s time, and we should stop talking” 🤨 ) Over the last months I’ve cast concerns aside for the sake of admitting to myself (for myself) that despite the obvious trouble, I plainly continue to like this person, wish him well. No harm, no foul. Sure, that meant lowering any expectation for a committed relationship with him to none, yet enjoy the desire (live in the present) for what it’s worth.

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posted July 04, 2021 06:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’d imagine since your friend also has Pluto in his 5th house, that any aspect from you to this planet is actually good (natural) for a romance with him. Or you can be certain that it spurs Romance for him. If his Pluto was placed any other house, would be an entirely different story—the same synastry aspect somewhere else has less to do about love. Technically for him, Pluto influences/activates his capacity to love (5H)

In our case, Pluto is trying to love. Our Pluto is about Love. I can’t stress that enough. 😅

Love love love love love 😂 obsessed with love


Your guy also has Neptune conjunct his descendent. What that same placement has meant for me is giving a lot to others without expecting much in return.

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posted July 04, 2021 07:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’m not sure sex can be avoided with this aspect between the opposite sex. Yes it is intense and difficult for the Moon but it’s also addictive. I don’t think I would tell Pluto I’m not good enough for him though. I’m afraid to lose him because of the connection.

I want Pluto to always be apart of my life in some way. As long as he’s not trying to hurt or manipulate me on purpose. I told him he was like my best friend. I think about if we actually were in a relationship and things didn’t work. I’d lose him completely even the friendship.
And that would be too painful for me I think.

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posted July 04, 2021 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It’s nice that you and him get to be friends still.


Everyone in my life urging me to move on, so guess I will

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posted July 04, 2021 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd say if his Pluto is Scorpio it's not only at home "full power" but amplified in nature due to the fixed energy of this sign.
His obsession tendencies are strong. Passion can be mighty deep love or opposite. I can't see your combined or synastry. Didn't see if this is a cnj you two share? He will slso intrinsically feel drawn to someone that his inner knowing, "feels" a connection. In your case Moon - which is powerful. Moreso if he yearns for feminine connections.

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posted July 04, 2021 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
I'd say if his Pluto is Scorpio it's not only at home "full power" but amplified in nature due to the fixed energy of this sign.
His obsession tendencies are strong. Passion can be mighty deep love or opposite. I can't see your combined or synastry. Didn't see if this is a cnj you two share? He will slso intrinsically feel drawn to someone that his inner knowing, "feels" a connection. In your case Moon - which is powerful. Moreso if he yearns for feminine connections.

It’s the square this is the synastry his Chart ruler is the Moon.


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posted July 04, 2021 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@vansio: I don’t think you should listen to other people. Maybe you should tell him how you feel.

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posted July 04, 2021 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ChildofVenus, Have you checked out the midpoints/with transits or your progress energies? I know Pluto is slow but subtle changes might reflect a pull away, as you'd like.


- Adding we all transmute over time.
I was oil to someone else's vinegar, so long ago. Were the He that he Was and the me now, we would gel so well. Idk your backstory, feelings etc but in time that energy might be favorable.

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posted July 05, 2021 08:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ChildofVenus - I have told him, he knows, it’s no secret. Those close to me urge me to move on because of his carelessness, plus his callous behavior. 👌🏽

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There's a guy who likes me and his 8H Pluto square my 7H Moon. I find he gets too close which is out of my comfort zone.

Anyway I don't like this aspect. I've experienced it twice (first time with my ex which was a very painful, manipulative relationship). It feels deep initially but uncomfortable over time, like something just isn't right. both Pluto guys don't seem to respect my feelings. Even then it's hard for Moon to let go because the connection feels special nonetheless so it can take a long time but IME Moon eventually lets go.

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posted July 05, 2021 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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There's a guy who likes me and his 8H Pluto square my 7H Moon. I find he gets too close which is out of my comfort zone.

Anyway I don't like this aspect. I've experienced it twice (first time with my ex which was a very painful, manipulative relationship). It feels deep initially but uncomfortable over time, like something just isn't right. both Pluto guys don't seem to respect my feelings. Even then it's hard for Moon to let go because the connection feels special nonetheless so it can take a long time but IME Moon eventually lets go.



I get what you mean by invading your comfort zone. Because it's uncomfortable but I have this aspect in my own natal chart. I'm really drawn to this aspect in synastry. I think this might be the first time I've ever had the square before. It's not bad all the time because It's not like we see each other or talk everyday. There is always a certain period of time when we don't interact. Then all of sudden out of nowhere I see him or he contacts me. But when we aren't in contact I'm talking to other people. So I don't think about him as much. When you say they didn't respect your feelings how so exactly? Where they rude or nasty towards you?

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posted July 05, 2021 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@MoonMystic: My mother is really the one who started this. If it wasn't for her I don't know if I would have ever really paid any attention to him. She started having conversations with him at the store where we shop he's a cashier. I didn't say much to him at first. Other than just having a general conversation. So things went on like this for a while. He started asking my parents about me when I wasn't around. Then one day I told him I was in school for massage he said I could practice on him. I gave him my number and then I found him on Facebook. I asked him if he wanted to be friends with benefits he said yes and ever since then we've been talking on and off. We hooked up once and he said we shouldn't see each other anymore. So I moved on started talking to other men. Then he came back a year later saying he wanted to see me again. I told him I was surprised because he said he thought we shouldn't see each other. He said he didn't want to cheat on his girlfriend. But that they were breaking up.

I haven't met up with him since then but we've been talking on fb and I saw him again a couple of weeks ago. Of course, things were intense all over again. I generally like him because we get along so well. As you can see we have 11th house synastry. I feel like we make really great friends.

I'd like for us to see each other more and hang out and really be friends. But I'm guessing he keeps his distance because of this aspect? Or because my Moon is in his 8th house? I just hate that we go months without seeing each other. I'm sure this aspect has something to do with it. I just want us to have a normal friendship because we have a good time together.

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