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Cancermoon83
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posted March 29, 2022 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancermoon83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I always liked the progressed synastry theory,and in my experience it always shows up in my relationships when they start. But it wasn't enough evidence. After all you may have progressed synastry aspects with many people in your life,but that doesn't mean that a relationship is going to happen. So I checked the data of all my previous relationships,even minor ones,and I'd like to share what I found.

First of all,even before the 1st date,there was ALWAYS a progressed synastry aspect(trine,opposition,conjunction) between either:
Sun-Venus
Venus-Mars
Sun-Mars
And in the case the above was missing,in very few cases
Moon-Sun

These progressions in my experience were necessary to prepare the ground for what was to come.The more the progressed synastry aspects,the more the pull to be with that person.

Then,around the time the relationship/dating started there were other progressed aspects(conjunction mostly) between:
progressed personal planets to Composite Sun,Moon,Venus or Mars
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Progressed composite Sun,moon,Venus,Mars to personal planets
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a triggering aspect in the progressed composite,like pr.Composite mars conjunct Sun,or pr.Composite moon conjunct or opposite Sun.
These were surprising to find,but it makes sense that when you get in a relationship with someone(Relationship=Composite),your energy has to be in sync with the relationship itself.Otherwise you may feel an attraction,but it won't be enough to draw you in a relationship with them.

Third and most surprising,and for this you need the exact date the relationship begun.The day of the 1st date there were BIG transit patterns in the composite,involving mostly the composite Sun and Moon,but sometimes other planets were involved as well.
Example 1: Transiting Sun trine Tr Mars,both trine the Composite Sun,creating a grand trine.
Example 2: Transiting N.Node trine Tr.Mercury/Venus trine Composite Sun,Venus,Mercury(also Grand trine).
Example 3: Transiting N.Node conjunct Comp.Moon and opposite Comp.Sun
and so on.
There were also many outer planets transits to the composite's inner planets,and other interesting ones,like tr. Mars conjunct Comp.Venus,or Tr Venus conjunct comp.Sun etc.

The transit I found most significant in starting a relationship was the N.node transiting the Composite Sun,Moon or Venus.

So is this all a coincidence??I think it proves astrology to a point!

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AlmaRegulus
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posted March 29, 2022 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlmaRegulus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow Cancermoon, this is super interesting!! and what about breakups?

Can you also check Part of Fortune and Vertex? I knew the guy I am dating for a while before we started, and when he kissed me unexpectedly for the first time, in our Progressed Composite the Part of Fortune was exactly conjunct Vertex in the 7th house, and when we got intimate for the first time, the Part of Fortune was exactly conjunct Dsc.

I also wonder if in the Progressed Synastry my Venus - his Pluto trine would be felt? Everyone is only talking about personal planets.

And in a Progressed Composite what to expect from Moon square Pluto? can it be survived?

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posted March 29, 2022 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancermoon83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you!! Unfortunately I haven't studied about the Vertex and P.oF because with most of my relationships they didn't know their birth time,so there was not enough data.It could be significant,who knows?
What is interesting is that these finds are totally unbiased,cause only recently I found out about the progressed synastry concept.And it seems when progressed synastry is missing,no matter how much you want something to happen,there are obstacles,the timing is off,and nothing happens.And it only involves the planets I mentioned.So no,progressed Venus to outer planets doesn't trigger much.I kinda wish it did though!

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posted March 29, 2022 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sashavittoria     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cancermoon, this is super interesting, thank you. It tracks largely with my last relationship. I’m looking only at conjunctions and oppositions here. My progressed midpoint had just moved into Scorpio.

Progressed Synastry
By our first date, his pVenus was conjunct right in between my pMC and pMars. His pMercury conjunct my pMoon, his pSun nearby and his pPluto exactly opposite. His pASC conjunct my pNeptune. His pCupid on my pCeres/Lilith, near my pAphrodite. His pJuno/Amor opp. my pJupiter/Cupid, with his pVertex right on top of them. His pUranus opp. My pMC. His pMC on my pJuno. His pMars on my pAmor with his pAphrodite opposite. His pSappho opp. My pPluto. His pNeptune opp. My pVenus/Mercury. (Wow no wonder I ended up feeling disillusioned!)

Progressed Composite
Our progressed composite for that date shows that our composite ASC had moved from Virgo to 25* Aries. Our composite Sun and Venus had moved from their natal Aries and Pisces (respectively) to Taurus, from the 7th/6th to the 1st house. Composite Mercury and Mars had moved from Pisces (6H) and Aries (7H) respectively to a conjunction in late Aries in the 1st, conjunct the ASC. Composite moon had moved from Aquarius (5H) to Gemini (2H). Composite Saturn (which, in the natal composite hung out on the DSC (in 7H) conjunct sun and Amor) was now hiding out in Pisces in the 12th. pVertex was now on the DSC in progressed composite - natally it was in the 7th but not on the DSC.

Progressed Natals to Progressed Composite
* So his pVenus/my pMC and pMars were on our pcAmor.
* His pSaturn and my pAmor were on pcVenus, with his pJupiter opposite.
* My pSun was on pcChiron.
* His pASC exactly conjunct the pcMC, opposite the pcSappho.
* My pNeptune/Uranus were also conjunct the pcMC.
* My pChiron opp. pcNN.
* His pMoon was on pcVesta exactly, opposite pcValentine/Ceres.
* His pMercury/Sun and my pMoon on pcSaturn opposite his pPluto.
* My pJuno opp. pcVertex and (along with his pMC) conjunct pcASC.

I really think aspects to the progressed composite angles have a lot to do with the timing of when we got together. Progressed composite love asteroids also seem to be important. But as another example, I had another crush with strong synastry/composite and even with strong aspects from their progressed natal to the progressed composite (including love asteroids), but no aspects from their progressed natal to the progressed composite ANGLES - and it didn’t get off the ground.

Possibly my pAmor getting closer to pcVenus and his pJupiter moving away from an opposition to pcVenus. Possibly his pAC coming into exact conjunction with pcMC.

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posted March 29, 2022 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancermoon83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sure the angles must be important,but since I don't know their birth times I couldn't check it. The asteroids could give a vibe to the relationship and the feelings involved, but they don't trigger it.
Keep in mind,in both transits and progressions I give an orb of about 3-4 degrees, they don't have to be super tight, there is an orb of influence and it is still felt!

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posted March 29, 2022 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlmaRegulus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Progressions traditionally have 1* orb, maybe 2* max for Sun and Moon. Otherwise the aspect would refer to next year. I mean 1* difference is 1 year difference in progressions.

Love this topic and especially detailed examples!! Would be also nice to have more details about how each aspect played out.

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posted March 29, 2022 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlmaRegulus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
However, I must mention that I had a relationship where we started dating with 2* approaching Venus to Sun conjunction in a progressed composite and broke up at 1* approaching Venus to Sun conjunction. And the Moon was approaching Mars within 2* at the breakup. Transit NNode and Neptune were approaching pc Antivertex within 2*, trine composite Uranus. Even though it was me who broke up I couldn't get over him for a few years, so probably the relationship potential wasn't lived to the fullest.

We started dating at transit Pluto on pc/comp South Node. And what probably broke it was transit Pluto on pc/comp Saturn.

Oh and transit Uranus was opposite composite Moon, 2* separating, and square composite Venus, 4* separating. When tr. Uranus & tr. NNode square comp. Venus was exact we actually started dating, so I don't think it was Uranus which broke it off.

So all these yummy aspects, and still broke up! Just transit Pluto on composite/ pc Saturn. I broke up because my feelings were stronger and I felt insecure. Then I was the one who suffered from the breakup LOL.

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posted April 01, 2022 04:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancermoon83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just noticed that in 2 relationships with an accurate birth time,when the relatonship started Transiting Jupiter was conjunct the progressed Composite Ascendant,in addition to all the other transits to the composite!

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posted April 01, 2022 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sashavittoria     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh interesting... for me and my former husband, the start of the relationship had Jupiter conjunct the progressed composite DEscendant!

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posted April 01, 2022 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlmaRegulus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In my case it was Saturn on Composite Asc and Jupiter on Composite Antivertex.

Recently we had transit Jupiter on Progr. Composite Asc and Antivertex, and Saturn on Composite Antivertex but nothing particularly positive happened, it's rather rocky.

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posted April 30, 2022 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancermoon83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Continuing my "research",I found out another interesting thing about transits to the composite. In the few months before a relationship started there was many times a New Moon exactly conjunct the composite Sun.So when other transiting planets followed and aspected this point the relationship manifested.This,in combination with the transiting Nodes to the composite Sun seems very symbolic to me.
An opportunity/fated event/chance(transiting Node)to create something new(New moon conjunct Composite Sun-the relationship).

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posted April 30, 2022 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Cancermoon83

You check only progressed to progressed aspects, correct? Not progressed to natal?

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posted April 30, 2022 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancermoon83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
@Cancermoon83

You check only progressed to progressed aspects, correct? Not progressed to natal?


Progressed to natal is more telling and more urgent,unless it involves the moon progressions eg.A's Progressed moon conjunct B's progressed Sun.Progressed Venus to progressed Sun or Mars moves much slower and gives a general attraction and harmony,but not the urgency that progressed to natal gives.

Keeping the orbs at about 4-5 degrees the most I check for progressed to natal Sun-Venus,Venus-Mars,Venus-Venus conjunctions,trines or oppositions applying.The square usually prevents a relationship from happening,unless it's separating.The sextile may help some times).

For more precise timing I check for significant moon progressions. Moon to Sun,Sun to Moon,Moon to Mars or Venus etc.

Also,Progressions involving Sun-Mars help too.In my last relationship we had just a sextile between pr. Venus - n. Sun,but at the same time we had a DW Progressed Sun-Progressed Mars conjunction,exact!Which means in the progressed composite there was an exact Sun-Mars conjunction.

I also checked and in 7 out of 10 times the Ascendant was involved in the progressions,usually A's progressed Moon,Sun or Mars conjunct or opposite B's natal or progressed Ascendant.

The most significant transit was usually Tr.North Node conjunct or trine composite Sun or moon(sometimes very wide,orbs didn't seem to matter here,it was ALWAYS there). Tr. Jupiter was very often involved as well with the composite Sun.

Progressed composite planets making aspects to the composite or the natal of the people involved,Progressed natal planets aspecting the composite planets,these are things I like to see.

In a nutshell,the more significant the progressions the more likely a relationship will manifest.If the progressions match the transits will show the timing.

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posted April 30, 2022 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlmaRegulus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And what do you think about progressed natals to progressed composite, does it work as well?

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posted April 30, 2022 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlmaRegulus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am kind of disappointed in this theory at the moment since according to it we should continue the relationship.

At the moment of starting dating:
- his pr. Venus conjunct my Moon & Jupiter (separating withing 1* orb)
- his pr. Sun on my Asc (approaching within 1* orb) and later his pr. Moon there, with a pr. New Moon at the exact degree of my Asc!!
- my pr. Venus opposite his Moon (less than 1* approaching)
- his pr. MC on my Mercury
- his pr. Amor & Pallas on my Sun
- his pr. Vertex within 1* applying to my Juno

Now we broke up and:
- his pr. Sun is still on my Asc (separating within 1* orb)
- his pr. Sun applying in sextile to my Venus
- my pr. Moon in 3* applying to the opposition to his pr. Venus
- my pr. Moon in 4* applying to the opposition to his Sun & Vertex which will also coincide with my pr. IC (to a degree!!)
- his pr. Mercury & Vertex within minutes separating from my Juno!

On top of that:

- his pr. Venus is permanently on my pr. MC (within 1*)
- our pr. Suns are in permanent trine (within 1*)

So by all this I wouldn't predict that our relationship would be over.

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posted April 30, 2022 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancermoon83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by AlmaRegulus:
I am kind of disappointed in this theory at the moment since according to it we should continue the relationship.

At the moment of starting dating:
- his pr. Venus conjunct my Moon & Jupiter (separating withing 1* orb)
- his pr. Sun on my Asc (approaching within 1* orb) and later his pr. Moon there, with a pr. New Moon at the exact degree of my Asc!!
- my pr. Venus opposite his Moon (less than 1* approaching)
- his pr. MC on my Mercury
- his pr. Amor & Pallas on my Sun
- his pr. Vertex within 1* applying to my Juno

Now we broke up and:
- his pr. Sun is still on my Asc (separating within 1* orb)
- his pr. Sun applying in sextile to my Venus
- my pr. Moon in 3* applying to the opposition to his pr. Venus
- my pr. Moon in 4* applying to the opposition to his Sun & Vertex which will also coincide with my pr. IC (to a degree!!)
- his pr. Mercury & Vertex within minutes separating from my Juno!

On top of that:

- his pr. Venus is permanently on my pr. MC (within 1*)
- our pr. Suns are in permanent trine (within 1*)

So by all this I wouldn't predict that our relationship would be over.


I'm sorry you're going through this.To be honest I only focused at the progressions at the start of the relationship,I haven't studied what keeps the relationship going.
But they do work yeah,I kinda wish they didn't because sometimes you want someone so bad but the progressions are off.

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posted May 01, 2022 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlmaRegulus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Cancermoon!

And what do you think about progressed to progressed synastry?

And solar arc synastry?

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posted May 02, 2022 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancermoon83     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by AlmaRegulus:
Thank you Cancermoon!

And what do you think about progressed to progressed synastry?

And solar arc synastry?


Unfortunately no,solar arc does not work the same. Progressed to progressed is good though if it involves venus.

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