posted April 04, 2022 06:06 PM            

#1 Composite

#2 Composite

And the winner is...?!

posted April 05, 2022 12:52 AM            

First;
looks like just a crush, unrequited love or not even a real relationship just a fantasy with someone they can’t be with or it’s an affair/third party situation. Someone is way more into the other as well, very imbalanced. Looks like an obsession kinda too, like wanting someone you can’t have from afar.

posted April 18, 2022 06:45 AM            

Yeah I think the guy (who you read for me) is immature... Curious what others might see in these composites. His progressed Venus just moved into Sag and his pMoon will move into Aqua in a couple months.

The first one, their progressed composite moon just moved into Scorpio and pcSun is about to move into Leo, so they're square. They've been on and off for a few years but pretty solid the past 8-ish months.

posted April 23, 2022 08:39 AM            

So I am actually not the common denominator in these charts. #1 is someone I call 136 and his on/off girlfriend, and #2 is 136 and me. I am 95% confident about his birth time and 80% confident about her AC, so take the finer points with a grain of salt.

So you were absolutely right about the instability of the first chart. They have been on/off for 3-4 years but seem to have been solid enough the past six months. They got together during his Saturn Return.

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Might even be a case where the couple mistakes their drama/fighting for true "passion"

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Completely on point. He has SN Leo and she has SN Libra, with Sun/Jupiter on her Aries NN. Very much mistaking drama for passion, seems like an addictive relationship, with him being a codependent anxious type and her being an independent avoidant type. Whenever he mentioned her to me, he would get this look of intense pain on his face, like shame, and I felt so heartbroken for him. They are repeating SN themes with him putting her to work supporting him in the limelight. Blech!

Fascinatingly, I happened to find her father's birthday before hers, and her father has all his personal planets in the same three signs as 136. And they have the same profession. So I think she is working out some "daddy issues" through him (though I hate that term).

As for both of the charts having the same moon... here's the other kicker: she and I have personal planets in the same three signs (opposite his) but most intriguingly, which you noticed, our moons are on the same degree on the Aries/Taurus cusp. So it is a sensitive point in HIS chart but I have no idea why. It trines his Uranus/Vesta, but that's all. The closest answer I've found is Parvati and Circe nearby in his chart. Could certainly indicate a love triangle, but I'm not totally convinced.

As for his composite with me, thank you so much, I needed that validation and confirmation of what I'm seeing and sensing. I wasn't sure what to make of Chiron either - whether it would be healing or hurting. In the synastry we have DW Mercury/Juno-Chiron aspects, with Mercury/Juno conjunction in each of our 10th houses. There's definitely been some past life love damage, and I've received a lot of dream guidance about that and about him now.

The story is we met last year for six weeks and had an intense attraction, something I've never felt before. When I left his country it seemed I wouldn't return and he got back with his ex and ghosted me. I was fully obsessed with him (we have some mutual Pluto and Nessus stuff in the synastry) and removed him on social media to avoid it, but when he realized that he freaked out and made a fake account to message me, etc. Recently I messaged him to say I would be returning to study at the same school as him in the fall, so we'll be seeing each other every day for the next 3+ years. So I really don't know what to do! He's hot and cold with me, still on and off with his girlfriend, and I'm wondering what the karmic lesson is here. It's my Saturn Return now, and this is repeating themes from my waxing square.

How do you think I should approach this? Right now I'm so angry at him and the composite looks so mixed that I'm thinking it'll be better for me to avoid anything more than a polite acquaintance. But the pull is so strong I'm afraid we'll inevitably be drawn to one another, and I'm afraid of this connection. Thank you for the note about transit Pluto, I forgot I had seen that... WHat would you do?

Synastry is here if you're interested: https://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/011299-2.html

posted April 24, 2022 12:59 AM            

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Originally posted by sashavittoria:
To me it looks like #1 is better, due to the aspect pattern. The asteroids look better too.

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posted April 24, 2022 11:38 AM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:

Also that 10* Aqua... I'm wondering if maybe he has a significant midpoint there or something. Like Sun/Moon midpoint, Jupiter/Juno midpoint..

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I will look into this and get back to you! Is there an online calculator for midpoints or an option on astro.com? I’ve looked but never seen any and I find it laborious to calculate…

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Originally posted by athenaia:

Ahhh I'm all too familiar with Chiron double whammies in synastry. My composite/synastry with my ex boyfriend had nothing but Chiron stuff laced throughout our personal planets. *Sometimes* he would try to put his best foot forward, but more often than not, he didn't, which resulted in a lot of pain (thankfully I'm over it, though). But it did make me interpret Chiron in other people's synastries with less rose colored goggles, that's for sure.

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I SO appreciate your real world experience on this one. I never know how to interpret Chiron, which way it could go - healing or hurting, and who does which to whom. I really appreciate your realism. And I’m glad you’re over it! Our south nodes are the same signs as each other’s Chirons and I did notice that right away we instinctively tried to heal one another in these areas. But I am still very skeptical of the Chiron aspects, especially long term.

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Originally posted by athenaia:

See, it's the timing of this that's so interesting to me. Transit Pluto is lighting up that composite nodal axis pretty significantly, and with such fated planets in orb to boot.
My thought is, that whatever is going through your mind now, in addition to your interactions with him up until March 23rd, 2023 (when Pluto finally enters Aqua) will be of extreme importance to your future interpersonal dynamic. Significant things will happen in your relationship with him that may permanently set the tone for the future. I'm not sure if this can be controlled though, just because Pluto is such an immense planet, and you're both going through this transit together, via the composite, at such critical times in your life, when the last time Pluto was in Capricorn at this degree was over 150+ years ago. You know? Like the timing of it all is really quite insane.

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Wowowowowow. That is insane!! Ok so I’m afraid it’s already begun… I forgot to mention before that immediately after the six weeks seeing this person every day, my then-husband and I suddenly divorced out of the blue and my sister volunteered to take over the care of our father (after years of not stepping up), thus liberating me to pursue my dharma, the same studies/career as this Virgo/Scorp. Also, the date of first sight was March 22, 2021. So the Pluto transit will complete exactly two years to the day later, 3/23/23 being a palindrome, and dream guidance already indicated to me that something significant would occur with him around an anniversary. WOW. I am just blown away.

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Originally posted by athenaia:

But I also think it's really important to listen to our intuition, even when it's telling us things we don't want to hear (if this does happen at all for you).

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I completely agree… the problem is that I have been resisting my intuition all this time, when my intuition has been screaming about the importance of the connection. I have been fighting it, repressing it. I don’t want this because I am afraid - he triggers my own fearful avoidant attachment style. It is hard sometimes to tell the difference between intuition and fear and I don’t always know which is which. I finally got the dreams about him to stop, and then he started showing up in my meditations. Much of my lessons lately in my Saturn return have to do with the fact that I have not trusted my intuition in the past and have instead persisted in forcing bad situations to work, when I could have saved everyone a lot of pain by following the wisdom of my higher Self.

I even resisted going to his school and went to another one this year instead, but it was such a painful experience and fell apart. Through some other crazy synchronicities I ended up enrolled at his school for next year instead (literally, someone had to die so I could inherit the funds to attend)… it’s like I did all I could to avoid being with him/at his school and life is just brutally pushing me in that direction. As if I have no choice!

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Originally posted by athenaia:

Like, this is a man that really seems to enjoy chaotic relationships and tries to hang onto them long past their expiration date. Maybe he's a drama/adrenaline junkie. Can you provide that fix?

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The real question is do I even want to? And the answer is no, unless I can gently and supportively nudge him in that direction as a friend - but I don’t want to get dragged into the mosh pit with him lol. And yes, with a Scorpio Moon and Leo south node, he is definitely a drama junkie. I do not want anything romantic or sexual with him unless I see he is moving towards his north node, and I definitely don’t want a partner who is not already working on themselves spiritually and psychologically. So we’ll see if he meets my standards LOL.

It’s a shame, he has Pholus conjunct Ceres, clearly someone capable of unconditional love. With his Chiron in Cancer, my Cancer AC/SN just want to nurture him endlessly. His Jupiter in Cancer in the 8th too. Clearly someone who knows (deep down) how to truly love. And like all of us, deserves to be loved truly in turn.

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Originally posted by athenaia:

Definitely things to interrogate yourself with to see where you want to go with that. If this guy has connections, maybe you want to play the long con with your career and keep things neutral between you both.
Of course there would always be an element of dissatisfaction, of what "could have been..." -- maybe that would be more difficult to live with? Maybe you could transmute these intense feelings into art and live vicariously through that?

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Yes, that’s certainly been a consideration, to play the long con. Given that he’ll be my teacher for probably 3+ years (though he’s only three years older than me), I think I have to. And funny enough, it’s an art school… I’m sure we will both be channeling our sexual frustration into our work lol! I do think it would be more difficult to live with the not knowing, but that is my philosophy about everything. Ultimately my priority is my work, and I’m not going to compromise my goals for him or for anyone. I'm also not going to betray myself by getting into another terrible relationship.

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Originally posted by athenaia:

Initially I wanted to say you have the upperhand because your Pluto is conjunct his Moon, but his Saturn/Neptune on your DSC and his Jupiter on your ASC is just about as equally powerful.
I feel like I'm watching two really intense chess players wanting to defeat the other person on the board but each player is so individually brilliant they reach a stalemate, and it's so annoying to both of these people because they want to WIN (but at what cost?)

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LOL I really laughed aloud at this! What a brilliant and true analogy. I do feel it’s a power struggle. And I’m annoyed I don’t have the upper hand lol. Is his Pluto opposite my Sun not significant also?

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Originally posted by athenaia:

Gotta say that as a fellow Taurus Sun, Aries Venus, and Mars in Pisces I absolutely feel for you right now. I went through something pretty similar (I just chose not to act out on it - I'm 80% glad that I did not, but there is that 20% that rears its head on occasion that wants to scream into a padded jail cell about the potential fun I could have had).

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I would love to read this story if you have the time/willingness to share.

Being still recently divorced, and still sore in the midst of Saturn return, having experienced much loss this year as well as repressed lifelong grief surfacing, I am really not ready for a relationship, let alone a dynamite factory. That’s my concern. If I were younger and didn’t just get out of a marriage in which I was trying to rescue an unstable person (another 12th house moon and Sag rising), I might be up for that. But after half my Saturn return I am already too old and wise lol! I feel very fragile, and while still drawn to this guy, I can’t make myself vulnerable unless I can trust 100% that we are going to be gentle with one another. And that does not sound like an adjective for this synastry/composite. I also anticipate that if/when he finally breaks with this girlfriend, he will also be very fragile and vulnerable.

Ahhh the nodes. I love them so much. Thank you for your insight there - I did not see all of those because I always reduce the orbs. I’m relieved I make some aspects to his, even just outer planets, because I was concerned I would be of no help to him along his path. I see no point in an interaction unless it’s going to be helpful in that regard. Grow soul or go home!

As you say, there may be little choice in the matter, with Pluto at the helm… with Saturn and the North Node to boot! (In the Davison, Venus is conjunct the NN and Saturn too.) It does feel out of my hands but I'll do my best. tPluto started squaring my moon/Venus when I met him. In December it finished squaring HIS Venus/BML.

Vansio says it is negative/chaos/demonic. Galactic warned me about Scorpio moon conjunct Pluto being very unconscious, and dream guidance has told me this guy is very cut off from his feelings. It’s told me a lot of things. There is not much more I can do or figure out until I am there and can feel him out… thank you so much for your insight. It all tracks. I am just trying to put myself first, prioritize my health (all kinds) for the first time ever, and get strong again and rebuild myself after this past year.

posted April 24, 2022 11:49 AM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
If I had to pick one, I agree with #1!

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lol we will see which one he picks, MM! I did look at the progressed charts... The first one, their progressed composite moon just moved into Scorpio and pcSun is about to move into Leo, so they're square. They got back together when Venus moved into his 12th in September. The time before that, they got together when Mercury was retrograde in his 7th. I want to say it was also a new moon in his 7th.

posted April 24, 2022 01:01 PM            

HOWEVER, his Sun/Jupiter midpoint is opposite, at 10' Leo. There are several other midpoints square or sextile the composite moons.

But when we look to the anaretic degree of the two Aries moons... AHA! His Jupiter/Node midpoint at 0' Taurus. Oppositions from his moon/Mercury mp is opposite (0'), AC/MC mp (1'), and Pluto/Venus/Lilith mp (2') in Scorpio, Mars/AC mp 29' Libra. Trines from Venus/Jupiter mp (29' Leo) and Jupiter/Lilith mp (0' Virgo).

I wonder if it is actually each of our Moons (in my case, moon AND Venus) opposing his Pluto/Venus/Lilith midpoint that's doing it. Given that he's a Plutonian and his Venus/Lilith conjunction is unaspected in his own chart, I suspect this could be the smoking gun... or as close as I can get to one for now...