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anevolena
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posted May 23, 2022 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anevolena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey all-

I posted about this before and it didn't get much traction, and I also have his birth time now!

The long and short of it is I met this guy at my job a couple months ago. He is extremely connected in the creative/artistic industry that I am just now really getting into. His job requires travelling, so we've only intermittently talked, but it is clear that we both feel a connection.

When I first met him, I felt a huge sense of recognition and we ended up simply staring at one another for too long-- until a mutual friend who was there snapped us out of it. We bonded nearly immediately. That being said, we are still in the very initial stages of our relationship. I barely know him.

We have not spoken a single word regarding the industry we both have in common, let alone the massive elephant in the room that he will undoubtably help me in my career if we are to have any relationship at all. It's unavoidable. I don't want to bring it up as to appear to be taking advantage of him.

What IS my priority is uncovering the karmic debts between us. I am a very spiritual person and this is easily the most apparent karmic partner I have ever encountered-- based on astrology and my intuition.

Synastry and Composite: http://imgur.com/a/SDsWT5o

First and foremost: Mars/NN Double Whammy. We are both Aries risings and therefore Mars is both of our chart rulers. My mars is in a 9H Sag stellium with my venus and pluto.

An Grand Cross involving our major natal oppositions; exact to the degree. My 1H Saturn opposite my 7H Sun/Mercury exactly sqaure his 4H Mercury opposite his 10H Uranus/Neptune. This grand cross is in both of our angular houses.

Again, this grand cross features my Saturn squaring his Neptune and Mercury, and his Neptune/Uranus squares my sun/mercury to the degree.

My moon conjucts his Saturn.

The composite reflects the Mars/NN double whammy; likewise, 7H Mars is the chart ruler of our composite.

The composite Sun/venus conjuction occurs in the 6H. Considering that work is 1000% something that will connect us, this makes sense.

The composite Saturn is in the 12H. This underlines the karmic theme, surely.

Wrote this below, editing in: his Draconic moon is exactly conjunct my Draconic sun.

I like to think I'm a relatively evolved soul... spirituality and the pursuit of a higher meaning has been the driving force of my entire life and that is only increasing as I get older. (9H Sag Mars/venus/pluto here )

Not to imply I believe it will be all flowers and roses and peace and love... I know karma is karma.

So I ask for any aid in interpreting our charts, to better prepare me to make the most of this.

Thank you.

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sashavittoria
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posted May 23, 2022 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sashavittoria     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, so you are inside, he is outside, right?

First off, it's so weird that your natal oppositions are forming a grand cross with one another, but without the relevant oppositions between you two. This ghost grand cross is in cardinal signs. Each of you is making a T-square of the other's natal oppositions, giving you an "out" from that inherent conflict.

Both of you have your North Nodes doubled down in the same house ruled by their respective sign, so you're each heavily imbalanced on these karmic axes: him with Sag 9H and you with Virgo 6H. No wonder you feel more spiritually attuned with your SN in Pisces in the 12th! So you also have this elemental complementarity, with the 3/9 thought axis being air/fire and the 6/12 existence axis being earth/water. On top of that, your NN shares a ruler with his SN: Mercury. And the inverse is true as well: his NN and your SN share Jupiter as ruler (though your SN is additionally ruled by Neptune).

Your Jupiters are trine. Your Neptune trines his Mars on your NN. Your Mercuries are square. His Mercury forms one of the T-squares I mentioned, squaring your natal Saturn-Sun/Mercury opposition. Meanwhile, your Mercury(/Sun) does the same for his natal Mercury-Neptune/Uranus opposition. This is wild!

Now, past lives. His Mercury (his SN ruler) trines your SN. His Uranus/Neptune sextile it. So your SN is another point activating his Mercury-Neptune/Uranus opposition. Your Jupiter (your SN ruler) sextiles his NN/trines his SN. It looks like you two worked together in the past to communicate spiritual messages to a local community. You would have been the thought leader and he would have been your messenger, so to speak.

Here is some good starter information on NN Sag, NN 9H, NN Virgo, and NN6H. I also find the 6/9 combination significant. He can learn A LOT from your Sag stellium, but whether he's ready or resistant will be the issue.

Now, this time around, with your NN in Virgo 6H, you're learning how to be detail-oriented, to be of service to others (especially coworkers), and to get in touch with your body and attend to your health, among other things. He will pursue (Mars) things in a very diligent, thoughtful, cautious way, paying attention to every last detail and only acting when he's sure of the results. Learn this from him. Additionally, you have this Saturn-Sun/Mercury opposition along the relationship axis - probably you're actually pretty good at putting others ahead of yourself, to your own detriment. With his Cancer Mercury squaring that, he's showing you how to find balance - by exercising compassion and nurturing for both self and other, especially by establishing a safe, secure home life. With his Cap Neptune/Uranus also squaring these, he's showing you how being yourself and pursuing an ideal in career can satisfy both your need for self-respect and your desire to support others. Combined, his innately balanced compassionate intellect and his idealistic will to express his individuality in career help you to better liberate your self-expression in a way that comes not from ego, but from a spirit of selfless service - without self-sacrifice. I am just spitballing here, but with more time for consideration I'm sure I could come up with a less basic interpretation. However, you're the best person to reflect on and interpret this.

For his part, he's learning to think big picture. (It's actually another interesting inversion in which you're moving from a transpersonal sign to a personal one, and the reverse for him.) Instead of getting caught up in (or creating) all the local drama, he's learning to strike out as an individual and find and then advocate his Truth. With your SN and Sag stellium, you can help him find broader philosophical beliefs that give him a sense of meaning, and inspire him to embody that truth for himself. Natally, his Mercury-Uranus/Neptune opposition along the responsibility axis means he is conflicted between a compassionate and emotional mental focus (probably focused on family) and his higher ideal of status, power, and emotional reservation (as pertains to career). With your Saturn squaring this, you show him how being reserved ad creating structure around his self-identity helps resolve this inner conflict; your Sun/Mercury does something similar, but moreso by demonstrating diplomacy and tact - showing that you can demonstrate care for others in a way that doesn't become emotional enmeshment/preoccupation. Combined, your innate sense of discipline and structure around self-identity and your sense of tact and diplomacy help him resolve this conflict between head and heart, between merging compassionately with others and at the same time wanting to revolutionize existing structures and create an ideal that is all about emotional reservation, discipline, and accomplishment. Again, just spitballing from a rather basic perspective. I especially have trouble understanding our generational Neptune/Uranus conjunction in Cap. Please do reflect on these and consider other possible interpretations.

As far as the Mars-NN DW, that is significant especially since your nodes are not in the same sign, so it's not *just* a generational thing. Like you say, Mars is both your chart rulers.

Wow, that is just the synastry! Yes, it's very karmic and fascinating. It doesn't look like you have heavy negative karma, but you are both really imbalanced as individuals and can help one another resolve a lot of your inner tensions/conflicts (the oppositions) while motivating one another towards your NNs. I'll return to check the composite later!

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anevolena
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posted May 23, 2022 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anevolena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Wow, sasha, thank you so mcuh! I seriously appreciate your incredibly well thought-out response. I didn't even catch the dualities between nodal rulers Mercury and Jupiter...

My Mercury and his Jupiter are oddly close... can't in good faith call them conjuct, but it feels weird. Ha

(Everything else edited out.)

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anevolena
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posted May 26, 2022 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anevolena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In our Draconic synastry, my draconic sun/Mercury is exactlyówithin one degree- on his draconic moon (my Mercury conjuncts it at 0.02í !).

Weirdly, in our draconic synastry, his Jupiter exactly squares my Sun/Mercury- Saturn opposition, and my Neptune exactly squares his Mercury- Neptune/Uranus opposition.

My natal Sun and Mercury are exactly conjunct his draconic Venus, and trine his draconic Saturn.

Likewise, my draconic Saturn exactly trines his natal Venus, and Saturn. My draconic Mars exactly squares his Natal mars on my natal NN.

My draconic Neptune is EXACTLY (0.01) trine his natal North Node, sextile his south node, and exactly sextile his natal Jupiter.

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posted June 10, 2022 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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anevolena
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posted July 02, 2022 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anevolena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 19, 2022 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anevolena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thought I might bump this, any takers?

Nothing has really happened between us.
We didnít ďfall outĒ but there is definitely some tension/unfinished business between us.

Itís easy for me to dismiss him as being an insincere, untrustworthy **** boi, but I can help but feel like Iím supposed to learn how to forgive him.

I had the realization that my moon exactly squares Pluto and Venus in Sag (ruled by Jupiter); his moon exactly squares his Jupiter in Libra (ruled by Venus).

I thoughtÖ wow, Iím blowing this out of proportion, this is absolutely my moon square Pluto making me suspicious of peoples motives, putting myself on guard to protect myself. Whereas, his natal moon squares his Jupiteró how can I accuse him of insincerity when he is SINCERELY a bit insincere? Just who he is.

Enough time has passed where Iím over it, just living my life. Yet, I canít help but feel our story isnít over. Thereís just too much going on.

However, in this time without speaking, I have made TREMENDOUS progress in our shared career field. I thought he might help me in my career (6H stuff) but not yetó Iíve made a name for myself without his influence, at all. Making waves, ripples that are absolutely extending into our community.

Thanks!

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sassaqua
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posted December 20, 2022 03:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sassaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love an update. Much appreciate

Looks like sashavittoria put a lot of effort in with her analysis.

I haven't had proper time yet to read or look at the charts, but it sounds interesting and I hope to do so soon.

Are you sure you have his TOB?

It feels very Marsy to me with the main dynamic between your Jupiter/Uranus setting off his BIG LEO Sun, which in turn is flowing/triggering your Mars/Venus/Pluto.

All in all creating a lot of excitement and, in a bit of a loop in the synastry dynamic, where it cycles around in your interaction. I say this both because of the aspects (Jupiter/Uranus > Sun > Jup > Mars/Pluto/Venus), and because of the strength of the planets involved.

That his Sun is in its ruler, and so is your Uranus, it feels like battles of egos and competition, and power struggles. This is also reflected in his Saturn on your Moon.

Also again this marsy competitive interaction applies because the softer planets are not very involved in the main dynamic, which are otherwise necessary for compromise and giving way to each other, for gentleness and working together, and then too, for enduring relationships: the Moons and his Venus.

A wise person made the point on LL recently that Jupiter loves to chase. When I saw the opposition this is what I thought of. And of course, there's a clear path to his Jupiter. So there's some excitement going on.

A Leo Sun would like the admiration (from your Jup) and would be very boosting - especially to a Man who has his Mars in the more demure Virgo. Might be just what he needs to boost his confidence. Which only turns your Mars/Venus/Pluto on more, being connected by easy flow - trine.

And, it's relevant to see that your Marses are in square by sign. Because it also involves Pluto and Venus, I give it weight. So, that's a bit of excitement there. And as mentioned already, on each others NN, which can feel "karmic" indeed. you will take notice of each other.

His Venus is not much aspected though, and, especially without these softer vibes, the Mars square might be antagonistic. Perhaps especially to a Virgo Mars, that doesn't feel comfortable with too much stress. But, your Mars will quite enjoy the fun, and especially because your Mars (etc) in Sag, will again trigger it's ruler, Jupiter.. which is opposite his Sun .. and around it all goes again...

Also worth mentioning is his Chiron is almost/widely in a T-square with your Moon and Venus. Chiron can be a bit like Neptune with its lure and illusion; it's filled with promises when it squares Venus, only to evade her every time, and it's very wearing on Venus over time. Because your Mars and Pluto are there, it could get quite spicy if he frustrates you - and, it will be difficult not to let him know.

I believe again this theme of frustration is present with his Saturn on your Moon. It would make some difference if there were more softer planetary involvement, but, as an accumulative effect, this is just another antagonistic position. Your Moon has no clear path out from his Saturn pinning it down. Your defense might be via the Moon's ruler, Neptune, to undermine his esteem and confidence via the inconjunction it has to his Venus.

Included with the lack of soft, and compromising exchanges, there is no quality communication channels between you both either. So words are not available and there is no way for you to dialogue, to compromise, or understand each other. Or even to tell one another to back off. If you could, it might defuse tension and extinguish some of the burning fires between you. Therefore, the fires will keep burning on until someone starts screaming at the other one, lol. Joking of course as I don't know you. But actually only 1/2 joking because it appears that it could come to this if the interaction is not managed properly.

This all weighs in as a sexy, competitive, power-struggling, battling, rapport between you both.

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posted December 20, 2022 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anevolena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much @sassaqua !

Yes, his TOB is accurate. He told me!

Iíd say there is definitely a competitive edge between us.

Well, what happened was, we first met an hit it off great. Honestly, the intensity between us was a bit jarring, it was hard for me to hold eye contact. It was clear we ENERGIZED each other.

Right at the peak something happened when it was clear he was entertaining a girl on the side. Yet, right after that event he started liking and responding to nearly every instagram story of mine. So, I told him I was told he was in a relationship, and I would prefer if he would stop responding to my stories, out of respect.

He immediately explained he broke it off with that girl but only wanted to help her out, she was in a bad spot and he wanted to support her, but she didnít accept that, he said sorry if he gave the wrong impression but heís to ďbrokenĒ for a relationship and only wants a friend.

I said, yeah, Iím wanting a friend too actually, so I gave him a second chance, intentionally tried to be welcoming and forgiving.

Yet, he hasnít talked to me at all since then. He completely avoided me for a minute, but once he started looking my way again it was crystal clear he felt deflated, defeated, embarrassed.

I was totally willing to put the past in the past and start new, but we havenít talked at all for months. He found a new girl who is obsessed with him, but he doesnt seem to be equally interested in her. Some type of FWB.


I felt a bit slighted, I felt a bit angry he claimed he wanted to be friends so badly but ignored my existence for months. The one or two times this year we saw each other, he put on this huge display of talking to me, helping me with things, doing the motions but I felt it was so INSINCERE. I felt, you donít give a **** about me, you just care about your ego and my PERCEPTION of you. And I HATE arrogance and insincerity.

Which is where Iím at now. I do feel like Iím supposed to let this go, that Iím making mountains out of molehills, that MY ego is the problem.

I didnít add the minor aspects, but we have quintiles and biquintiles everywhere. our suns exactly quintile each other, my Venus exactly quintiles his Mars, His Venus quintiles my Saturn and biquintiles my Uranus, my Uranus quintiles his Pluto, his Pluto biquintiles my Saturn, and his Jupiter biquintiles my moon.

The composite moon biquintiles the composite sun, the composite Mercury biquintiles composite Uranus, and composite Venus quintiles composite Pluto. Jupiter biquintiles Chiron too.

All these are exact.

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sassaqua
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posted December 20, 2022 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sassaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're welcome! Thanks for filling in the picture, it helps me learn too. I just love a win-win!

Quintiles are lovely, hey. They are pretty much in the background until something is established, really. So good you left them out so can focus on the noisy aspects first.

This -

I felt, you donít give a **** about me, you just care about your ego and my PERCEPTION of you. And I HATE arrogance and insincerity.

Yeah but, according to your Venus/Mars/Pluto, you're actually kind of turned on, lol lol

Think it could be challenging to let this go .. Even when we know things are bad for us we are like moths to the flame :P

And both your Jupiters... egging each other on. Hmm...

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posted December 28, 2022 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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