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anevolena
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posted May 23, 2022 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anevolena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey all-

I posted about this before and it didn't get much traction, and I also have his birth time now!

The long and short of it is I met this guy at my job a couple months ago. He is extremely connected in the creative/artistic industry that I am just now really getting into. His job requires travelling, so we've only intermittently talked, but it is clear that we both feel a connection.

When I first met him, I felt a huge sense of recognition and we ended up simply staring at one another for too long-- until a mutual friend who was there snapped us out of it. We bonded nearly immediately. That being said, we are still in the very initial stages of our relationship. I barely know him.

We have not spoken a single word regarding the industry we both have in common, let alone the massive elephant in the room that he will undoubtably help me in my career if we are to have any relationship at all. It's unavoidable. I don't want to bring it up as to appear to be taking advantage of him.

I am definitely interested in him romantically, but I'm just seeing what happens, that's not my priority.

What IS my priority is uncovering the karmic debts between us. I am a very spiritual person and this is easily the most apparent karmic partner I have ever encountered-- based on astrology and my intuition.

Synastry: http://imgur.com/a/PykFLWn

Composite: http://imgur.com/a/JLJBj7w

First and foremost: Mars/NN Double Whammy. We are both Aries risings and therefore Mars is both of our chart rulers. My mars is in a 9H Sag stellium with my venus and pluto.

An Grand Cross involving our major natal oppositions; exact to the degree. My 1H Saturn opposite my 7H Sun/Mercury exactly sqaure his 4H Mercury opposite his 10H Uranus/Neptune. This grand cross is in both of our angular houses.

Again, this grand cross features my Saturn squaring his Neptune and Mercury, and his Neptune/Uranus squares my sun/mercury to the degree.

My moon conjucts his Saturn.

The composite reflects the Mars/NN double whammy; likewise, 7H Mars is the chart ruler of our composite.

The composite Sun/venus conjuction occurs in the 6H. Considering that work is 1000% something that will connect us, this makes sense.

The composite Saturn is in the 12H. This underlines the karmic theme, surely.

I like to think I'm a relatively evolved soul... spirituality and the pursuit of a higher meaning has been the driving force of my entire life and that is only increasing as I get older. (9H Sag Mars/venus/pluto here )

I want to get to the bottom of whatever we have going on, and I want to give it a good sincere try. This feels incredibly wild to me and I feel blessed to be aware of a fated opportunity like this.

Not to imply I believe it will be all flowers and roses and peace and love... I know karma is karma.

So I ask for any aid in interpreting our charts, to better prepare me to make the most of this.

Thank you.

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sashavittoria
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posted May 23, 2022 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sashavittoria     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, so you are inside, he is outside, right?

First off, it's so weird that your natal oppositions are forming a grand cross with one another, but without the relevant oppositions between you two. This ghost grand cross is in cardinal signs. Each of you is making a T-square of the other's natal oppositions, giving you an "out" from that inherent conflict.

Both of you have your North Nodes doubled down in the same house ruled by their respective sign, so you're each heavily imbalanced on these karmic axes: him with Sag 9H and you with Virgo 6H. No wonder you feel more spiritually attuned with your SN in Pisces in the 12th! So you also have this elemental complementarity, with the 3/9 thought axis being air/fire and the 6/12 existence axis being earth/water. On top of that, your NN shares a ruler with his SN: Mercury. And the inverse is true as well: his NN and your SN share Jupiter as ruler (though your SN is additionally ruled by Neptune).

Your Jupiters are trine. Your Neptune trines his Mars on your NN. Your Mercuries are square. His Mercury forms one of the T-squares I mentioned, squaring your natal Saturn-Sun/Mercury opposition. Meanwhile, your Mercury(/Sun) does the same for his natal Mercury-Neptune/Uranus opposition. This is wild!

Now, past lives. His Mercury (his SN ruler) trines your SN. His Uranus/Neptune sextile it. So your SN is another point activating his Mercury-Neptune/Uranus opposition. Your Jupiter (your SN ruler) sextiles his NN/trines his SN. It looks like you two worked together in the past to communicate spiritual messages to a local community. You would have been the thought leader and he would have been your messenger, so to speak.

Here is some good starter information on NN Sag, NN 9H, NN Virgo, and NN6H. I also find the 6/9 combination significant. He can learn A LOT from your Sag stellium, but whether he's ready or resistant will be the issue.

Now, this time around, with your NN in Virgo 6H, you're learning how to be detail-oriented, to be of service to others (especially coworkers), and to get in touch with your body and attend to your health, among other things. He will pursue (Mars) things in a very diligent, thoughtful, cautious way, paying attention to every last detail and only acting when he's sure of the results. Learn this from him. Additionally, you have this Saturn-Sun/Mercury opposition along the relationship axis - probably you're actually pretty good at putting others ahead of yourself, to your own detriment. With his Cancer Mercury squaring that, he's showing you how to find balance - by exercising compassion and nurturing for both self and other, especially by establishing a safe, secure home life. With his Cap Neptune/Uranus also squaring these, he's showing you how being yourself and pursuing an ideal in career can satisfy both your need for self-respect and your desire to support others. Combined, his innately balanced compassionate intellect and his idealistic will to express his individuality in career help you to better liberate your self-expression in a way that comes not from ego, but from a spirit of selfless service - without self-sacrifice. I am just spitballing here, but with more time for consideration I'm sure I could come up with a less basic interpretation. However, you're the best person to reflect on and interpret this.

For his part, he's learning to think big picture. (It's actually another interesting inversion in which you're moving from a transpersonal sign to a personal one, and the reverse for him.) Instead of getting caught up in (or creating) all the local drama, he's learning to strike out as an individual and find and then advocate his Truth. With your SN and Sag stellium, you can help him find broader philosophical beliefs that give him a sense of meaning, and inspire him to embody that truth for himself. Natally, his Mercury-Uranus/Neptune opposition along the responsibility axis means he is conflicted between a compassionate and emotional mental focus (probably focused on family) and his higher ideal of status, power, and emotional reservation (as pertains to career). With your Saturn squaring this, you show him how being reserved ad creating structure around his self-identity helps resolve this inner conflict; your Sun/Mercury does something similar, but moreso by demonstrating diplomacy and tact - showing that you can demonstrate care for others in a way that doesn't become emotional enmeshment/preoccupation. Combined, your innate sense of discipline and structure around self-identity and your sense of tact and diplomacy help him resolve this conflict between head and heart, between merging compassionately with others and at the same time wanting to revolutionize existing structures and create an ideal that is all about emotional reservation, discipline, and accomplishment. Again, just spitballing from a rather basic perspective. I especially have trouble understanding our generational Neptune/Uranus conjunction in Cap. Please do reflect on these and consider other possible interpretations.

As far as the Mars-NN DW, that is significant especially since your nodes are not in the same sign, so it's not *just* a generational thing. Like you say, Mars is both your chart rulers.

Wow, that is just the synastry! Yes, it's very karmic and fascinating. It doesn't look like you have heavy negative karma, but you are both really imbalanced as individuals and can help one another resolve a lot of your inner tensions/conflicts (the oppositions) while motivating one another towards your NNs. I'll return to check the composite later!

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anevolena
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posted May 23, 2022 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anevolena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Wow, sasha, thank you so mcuh! I seriously appreciate your incredibly well thought-out response. I didn't even catch the dualities between nodal rulers Mercury and Jupiter...

My Mercury and his Jupiter are oddly close... can't in good faith call them conjuct, but it feels weird. Ha

(Everything else edited out.)

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anevolena
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posted May 26, 2022 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anevolena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In our Draconic synastry, my draconic sun/Mercury is exactly—within one degree- on his draconic moon (my Mercury conjuncts it at 0.02’ !).

Weirdly, in our draconic synastry, his Jupiter exactly squares my Sun/Mercury- Saturn opposition, and my Neptune exactly squares his Mercury- Neptune/Uranus opposition.

My natal Sun and Mercury are exactly conjunct his draconic Venus, and trine his draconic Saturn.

Likewise, my draconic Saturn exactly trines his natal Venus, and Saturn. My draconic Mars exactly squares his Natal mars on my natal NN.

My draconic Neptune is EXACTLY (0.01) trine his natal North Node, sextile his south node, and exactly sextile his natal Jupiter.

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posted July 02, 2022 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anevolena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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