posted June 19, 2022 02:29 AM            

His Saturn (5 aries) square his Moon (5 cancer)
My Saturn (5 gem) square my Mercury (5 virgo)

So, ^^ that interpersonally connected, the most tight aspects in both our natal charts, even or "coincidentally' incl. SATURN.

The Moon and Mercury make a nice sextile which means we're positively challenged by that which has become the most integrated part of ourselves and has been the biggest challenge in both our personal lives.

Tell me yours.... ? Seen the same patterns in your synastry? Or maybe with other (soft) aspects, like a double sextile connecting?

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posted June 20, 2022 01:28 PM            

I'm starting to compare synastry and natal for the better understanding of the dynamic between two people.

Maybe a guess, sextiles in synastry can have hidden challenges if we connect it back to natal. So how I see it, it isn't a pure sextile. An added spice with square Saturn from each individual. In a way there's a balance (sextile Saturn) challenge (square) recognition (Saturn) from each other with a potential ease for connecting through Moon/Mercury in Saturnian ways. Assuming both has come to terms with their own square. I could be wrong.

Or it can help ease tension of each individual's Saturn challenge through interacting together.

I see there's also Mercury inconjunct Saturn in synastry. How is that?

posted June 21, 2022 02:47 AM            

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Hiiii MIR,

I'm starting to compare synastry and natal for the better understanding of the dynamic between two people.

Maybe a guess, sextiles in synastry can have hidden challenges if we connect it back to natal. So how I see it, it isn't a pure sextile. An added spice with square Saturn from each individual. In a way there's a balance (sextile Saturn) challenge (square) recognition (Saturn) from each other with a potential ease for connecting through Moon/Mercury in Saturnian ways. Assuming both has come to terms with their own square. I could be wrong.

Or it can help ease tension of each individual's Saturn challenge through interacting together.

I see there's also Mercury inconjunct Saturn in synastry. How is that?

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Hiiii LUNA ...

I LOVE The way you articulate this all ..with such a compassionate in-depth focus. Lovely! It must be your Sun/Neptune/Pluto configuration at the base of it (whether Pluto makes a quincunx or semi-sextile to your Sun) which ofcourse your friend also has but the interesting thing here is the difference between you both and how the square prevails so to speak... so yes, this is definitely an interesting resonance I would say thanks to both Suns in a wonderful sextile.

Yes I thought, let's not use too much words in my OP otherwise no one is able to absorb it but you did a pretty good job

posted June 21, 2022 03:15 AM            

It's like the lesson I am learning this time (astro wise) is that "THE STRONGEST ASPECTS" in your chart have to be touched THOROUGHLY ...

to..

FEEL ALIVE (yeah? like that? :P )

posted June 21, 2022 02:23 PM            

My moon in Cancer square Pluto in Libra.
His moon in Capricorn square Pluto in Libra.

Our moons in almost exact opposition.

posted June 23, 2022 07:15 PM            

Nono, your words had a natural flow of understanding and comprehension.

posted June 25, 2022 03:01 AM            

Buttt... and now we arrive in the progressed realm..... there it/Venus *IS* ruling the start of relationships. So yeah, my one and only first thing to look at is STILL progressed synastry because nothing astro-wise was able to convince me like that ...
And ofcourse the (opposing) moon (phase) is a very verrry interesting part of it.

****Do you think it depends on a person's day? My friend with Sun/Pluto has her bad days, I see her needing to control situations or become more suspicious and allow her to have her space and moment (Aquarius sun).****

Without relating it to the stars yeah definitely it depends on a person's day. It's like you are describing me. Well, I am a Scorp Moon and Pluto exact on my Sun/Moon midpoint so jumping moods can't be more natural
HENCE...
That ASC of mine involved (mixed with Sat/Merc) .. is relating every word (or non-word/lack of it) back to myself, to a sickening level at times! Ending up in a world of ratio when becoming suspicious and the need to be reassured with words comes to light - ofcourse that's quite an emo- grueling undertaking! (with no time to lose for this Moon square aqua Mars).

^ it's hard... but glad he's able to "deal with it" in the right way........ I guess / until now at the least. As soon as we speak, .. every 'friction' is blown away in an instant (I don't even think I'm exaggerating now) as if it never existed: fact. But it's the time before that or in between that might feel killing .... I try to find balance in that. Trust the flow .... let us learn.

posted June 25, 2022 03:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Cancermoon83:
I don't know if this relates to your question but I'll give it a try.It's the synastry with someone I have a huge crush on.

My moon in Cancer square Pluto in Libra.
His moon in Capricorn square Pluto in Libra.

Our moons in almost exact opposition.

I can tell we have a lot of similarities emotionally because of the Moon square Pluto,but the opposition between our Moons kind of keeps us in distance,instead of keeping us in friendly terms.It feels very intense and it's hard to stay calm around each other.

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posted June 26, 2022 12:48 AM            

I have to say progress synastry is very telling indeed! My progressed Mars conjunct progressed Venus was the start of our relationship. And we were friends/penpals 3-4 prior. 🙈But were not together and ironically in the link, shows that too!

Do you think I can pick your brain how progressed moon opposite works? How important are the orbs vs sign?

posted June 27, 2022 02:17 AM            

***I have to say progress synastry is very telling indeed! My progressed Mars conjunct progressed Venus was the start of our relationship. And we were friends/penpals 3-4 prior. 🙈But were not together and ironically in the link, shows that too!***

Yes it is very telling! Wow.. that p to p V/M conjunction, I wonder if there was any connection with your partner's chart? Knowing myself in such case I prob. wouldn't rest before finding it even if not that visible at first sight, such as an harmonic connection in one way or another or in the solstice/antiscia realm or declinations...

Just to give an interesting syna example of my Saturn-ASC/Merc as the strongest aspect and square in my chart which is not ONLY connected to his strongest Saturn/Merc-Moon square aspect but ALSO to his EXACT (all at 25 deg) T-square of Sun-Mars-Jupiter. How? Well, my ASC tightly parallel his Sun, my Merc tightly contra-parallel his Mars and my Saturn tightly parallel his Jupiter.
And yes those ^^ are all the solstice points of each other as well and they strongly carry the septile energy! - our Suns in a septile as well.

I'm pretty sure that all ^^ has immer been the big draw between us (also 25 years ago when we met & separated during a pSun-pVenus square to nVenus)! Not visible at a glance but well you have to dig a bit deeper when nothing else jumps out haha.

***Do you think I can pick your brain how progressed moon opposite works? How important are the orbs vs sign?***

I can't say anything specific about simply progressed Moons that are opposite one another.or orbs or signs related to it as I had/have my focus mainly on the big luminary pic or moon phases so in relationship to prog and natal Sun. And the distance between prog Moons might differ quite some degrees 1,5 decade later. Although in our case (just an example) it's pretty interesting these days I would say. The septile energy is coming out strongly. Our natal Suns are in a bi-septile (7th harmonic). Our progressed Moons in a 14th harmonic aspect (78 deg) for the time being and those harmonics (7 x 2 = 14) are one part of the same coin which is noticeable in our progressed Moons to each other's natal Suns a la; When my pMoon makes a (waxing) square to his nSun then his pMoon makes a (waning) square to my nSun, when my pMoon makes a conjunction to his nSun then his pMoon receives an opposition to my nSun ... when a (waning) sextile comes to light we see a (waxing) trine as well etc. etc. etc. (exactly opposing moon phases I call it) yeah, that is pretty interesting and it was even like that 25 years ago although looking a bit further in time; in about 15 years our pMoons will be in a SEXTILE..... but some years later again it will run pretty fast back to the 78 deg aspect (we might be dead by then).

BUT... I suddenly (when writing this above) did an interesting discovery! (yeah, never to old to learn ey )
GUESS what........
Well, our NATAL Moons make a 131 deg aspect (at first you might think, yeah so what?? lol). Well, this aspect belongs to the UNDECILE (11th harmonic) family (the name is: quadriundecile aka quadriundecima - and to be exact it's 130°54'33" deg - manman I'm learning every day!).
Sooooo what's making this so special??
Well, our progressed Suns!! Cause guess what.... those are in a 98 degree aspect which ALSO part of the UNDECLE family! (the name is: triundecile aka triundecim - and to be exact it's 98°10'55" deg),

So, I guess I have to live with the fact that if we look at both pSuns to nMoons it will be alllll conjunct forever in the 11th harmonic. But I can't seem to find any geometrical resonances in the prog realm like in the example above from pMoons to nSuns. Well okay, let's live with that.

The question now remains, WHAT exactly describes the 11th harmonic? Hm, the first impression is a bit shocking (or too recognizable I'm afraid lol) .. and it is a(n ENTIRE) video (didn't see all of it yet!) from my most favorite astrologer back then David Cochrane (I learned soooooooo much from him; if I had not become familiar with his work I would have never gotten to this point of "looking at moon phases from about every possible corner or point of view" - which is something of my own, unique in that sense but I'm pretty convinced I'm ages ahead of what astrology should be LOol - forgive my progressed Mars/NN in Aqua conjunction trine uranus = all EXACT!)

What I am now going to do? I'm going to absorb Cochrane's video about the 11th harmonic... I want to know the ins & outs!
Here already a (bit of shocking) visual glimpse ....

PLEASE, I know it's hard to get what I am writing above so reading is enough haha, I don't expect anything in return, just sayin

David said that the 11th Harmonic was observed to be very powerful in Vibrational Astrology:

posted June 30, 2022 05:38 PM              

Astrology is indeed fractal in nature, and as we look at ever "smaller" levels of same, we are likely to see repeating patterns that reflect the major patterns.

But you don't need to go into various specific harmonics and the like (i.e. the smaller, fractal levels), to understand what is going on in the Synastry. If one can read the major/larger patterns well enough, that is all one really needs.

Btw, I'm a bit similar and yet different than you in this attunement. I have Mercury in Capricorn, widely conjunct my chart ruler in Capricorn, with Mercury very closely trine Jupiter in Virgo which is Rising and closest Planet to my Asc. Or another way of saying this, is that I have an innate talent of seeing both the forest and the individual trees simultaneously, or I operate from a "Hemi-Sync" Whole brain type perception.

posted July 01, 2022 03:43 AM            

**It would seem that a little more focus on the forest might be helpful here?**

The forest to me is the life-giving powers of the luminary realm which deserves the deepest dive you can take. The most abundant sources of light never fail to amaze or leave me speechless after years of research and still my life will be too short to get it all, so yeah... it's the detailed big pic in my universe, the eternal obsession.

posted July 01, 2022 03:53 AM            

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Originally posted by SimplyLuna:
Mir <3 Im not trying to ignore you. My studying is taking longer than expected and emotions were running in many waves. <3 <3 I'll be here after my mind clears out.

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Take your time....

posted July 02, 2022 10:09 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Your reply was quite poetically beautiful.

I'm currently at a loss for words..and that rarely happens to self.

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Mission accomplished I would say

posted July 03, 2022 09:23 AM              

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Originally posted by mir:
Mission accomplished I would say

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BURN, oh damyam!

It's ok, I kind of deserved it. I can be a little over preachy at times, true to my Jupiter rising/in 1st.

P.S., your Mercury is conjunct my Jupiter/NN whilst your Saturn is square same and trine my Libra Moon.

posted July 03, 2022 08:33 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
BURN, oh damyam!

It's ok, I kind of deserved it. I can be a little over preachy at times, true to my Jupiter rising/in 1st.

P.S., your Mercury is conjunct my Jupiter/NN whilst your Saturn is square same and trine my Libra Moon.

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Guess what...
I wanted to show you an article written by Dawn Bodrogi about angle/node contacts.
- it's also my ASC exactly (within 1 deg) conjunct Mercury, hence... -

I had NO idea she had passed away (under an EXACT progressed New Moon! - see her chart in the link) some years ago, gosh that's a shock!

So I ran into this tribute;

Even now when I look at the secondaries and if I feel like I don’t know where to begin, I hear her say, “Look at the lights. Look at what the lights are doing, Neets.”

She would say, “Look at the secondaries, if it’s not happening there, it’s not happening.”

so so so agree... ^

http://astrologyexpressed.wordpress.com/2018/07/02/dawn-bodrogi-a-tribute/

Yea, I already suspected your planets to touch my square thoroughly (lol) so let us not forget the angle/node article, gosh she's gone...

posted July 04, 2022 04:30 AM            

One of the more significant aspects between charts happens when a planet in one chart squares the Nodes in another chart. No one talks about this much, but it’s one of the secret ‘magnets’ that draws people together. I’ve seen synastries that are absolutely unlikely, except for the fact that both people had a planet or planets square the other person’s Nodes. The Nodes being what they are (the long term development of relational consciousness), these partnerships can be long term, with each individual involved locked into the other person’s growth. Like all these magnetic aspects, it is no guarantee of anything, but if the other aspects are favorable this one can really kick in. One of the great break-up agents in partnerships is stasis, and with a planet connected to squares to the Nodes, continuing stimulation (or irritation, or both) is guaranteed. Whether we are up to the challenge is another thing.

posted July 04, 2022 08:57 AM              

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Originally posted by mir:
Guess what...
I wanted to show you an article written by Dawn Bodrogi about angle/node contacts.
- it's also my ASC exactly (within 1 deg) conjunct Mercury, hence... -

I had NO idea she had passed away (under an EXACT progressed New Moon! - see her chart in the link) some years ago, gosh that's a shock!

So I ran into this tribute;

Even now when I look at the secondaries and if I feel like I don’t know where to begin, I hear her say, “Look at the lights. Look at what the lights are doing, Neets.”

She would say, “Look at the secondaries, if it’s not happening there, it’s not happening.”

so so so agree... ^

http://astrologyexpressed.wordpress.com/2018/07/02/dawn-bodrogi-a-tribute/

Yea, I already suspected your planets to touch my square thoroughly (lol) so let us not forget the angle/node article, gosh she's gone...

http://theinnerwheel.com/2010/06/05/synastry-studies-when-angle-hits-axis/

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Thank you for the links Mir. I love Dawn and her work (I would have liked to have known her personally)-I was sad to hear that the world lost a great and very perceptive astrologer, but I was happy to hear that her Soul was released from this level of heaviness/suffering/ego.

Yes, I think I had read those articles awhile back as well, but I enjoyed revisiting them. She was very perceptive, and had a good holistic grasp of things.

To add to a little bit about our astro connection. More specifically, your Mercury is right at the mid point of my NN and Jupiter, since my Virgo NN is like 0 to 1.5 degree, depending on the reckoning used, and my Virgo Jupiter is 10 degree (rounded up a couple minutes).

So, I could help to expand/broaden your mind, while you could help to ground me into my NN path more? And since your Asc is also conjunct my NN and Jupiter, in turn you amplify both of these within me. Lol maybe why the extra preachiness, but also mixed with some lighthearted humor?