posted December 21, 2022 10:57 PM            

"Planets are "out of bounds" when they achieve a declination greater than the maximum declination of the ecliptic (23N28 or 23S28).

Out of bounds planets are said to be beyond the limit, "beyond the norm", beyond expectations,...

Out of bounds planets represent something EXCEPTIONAL and the greater the declination, the greater the extraordinary influences.

When Venus, planet of love, beauty and harmony is out of bounds, there is a huge need to live in a harmonious and beautiful environment without arguments and disputes.

In male charts we have observed that they almost exclusively have been married to extremely gorgeous and highly attractive women.

These men prefer exquisite and EXCEPTIONAL beauties. {this fits me, and my first wife Diana}

In female charts the love life is often very overwhelming and obsessive (at times self-destructive too).

In almost all instances the woman is an extraordinary beauty." This describes my beloved former fiance Stargirl.

posted December 22, 2022 10:34 AM            

I have an Out of Bounds Venus in Sagittarius, just barely at 23°45'44" S.

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Originally posted by comdoc:
vWhen Venus, planet of love, beauty and harmony is out of bounds, there is a huge need to live in a harmonious and beautiful environment without arguments and disputes.

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Yes, definitely, but I've always contributed that to my 7H Libra Sun/Merc and my 12H Pisces Moon

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Originally posted by comdoc:
In female charts the love life is often very overwhelming and obsessive (at times self-destructive too).

In almost all instances the woman is an extraordinary beauty.

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Hmm, my Venus conjuncts Pluto (1-2 deg) and my Mars by 5 deg, so once again these aspects can lead to that same conclusion.

Well, Humbly I say I am considered a very attractive, magnetic, sexy woman. I have an edgy, free, Rock n Roll look, exactly as you'd expect a Sag Venus conjunct Mars and Pluto to look. I was a bit of a late bloomer, but when I turned 20 I became very physically attractive. Internally I still feel like the unseen, overlooked Nerd so I am very distrustful of people's motives when they try to get close. (Moon also exactly squares Venus and Pluto.)

I am considered very hyper independent by my peers. I've never been in a committed relationship. My 7H Libra Sun and Pisces Moon would love a partnership, but I strongly attribute my need for Freedom, Fun, Adventure to my Sag Venus/Mars/Pluto. I'm also an Aries rising lol, Sag Mars is my chart ruler.

When I (very recently!) learned I have an OOB Venus, I wasn't really surprised. I NEED to have a sense of freedom, there is no worse feeling to me than being tied down, restricted.

As far as being obsessive, in my past I have had a tendency to fall HARD for guys. Nothing has really worked out, but love is definitely a very transformational thing in my life. I've seen enough horrible relationships where I'm not really desperate to get my heart broken like everyone else lol. But, if I'm not careful, I can see myself letting love destroy me.

Overall, I'd say I'm almost like a manic pixie dream girl. I know people are attracted to me, and I have a huge romantic streak, but I will only commit to the RIGHT person. I'm a very frustrating mix of casual and intense. I HAVE to be free and lighthearted in relationships, but I value sincerity beyond all else. Femme Fatale?

posted December 23, 2022 12:31 AM            

My love life has been indeed obsessive. I fell in love hard for several people.

posted December 23, 2022 03:59 AM            

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Originally posted by anevolena:
If I remember right, Venus can only be out of bounds when it is by the Tropic of Cancer/Capricorn— AKA only in the signs Gemini, Cancer, Sag and Cap.

Gemini and Sag are notoriously “wild” places for Venus to be, regardless of bounds— I’d like to hear from a Cancer or Capricorn, Out of Bounds Venus !

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Which means mine might be.

I'm late to the party and this is over my head:
when they achieve a declination greater than the maximum declination of the ecliptic (23N28 or 23S28).

If anyone wants to explain then ok. But I totally understand if not, to do so sounds potentially kind of exhausting to me

posted December 23, 2022 10:28 AM            

When we talk about degrees in the zodiac, we are mainly talking longitude. A planet in, say, 7 deg Gemini can be anywhere in latitude, but on the 7 deg longitude line.

Declinations are the latitude position of those planets. It can be N or S of the equator. So if two planets have the same deg, but not declination, one is directly, vertically above the other. If two planets have the same declination but not degree, they are horizontally in the same position in the sky. Two planets with the same degree and declination are in the exact same point in the sky.

The earth’s apparent orbit around the sun shifts depending on the seasons. At the Summer Solstice (Gemini to Cancer) the sun is in the highest point in the sky in the North Hemisphere. That point is 23.27 deg above the equator. Likewise for the Winter Solstice, the sun reaches its maximum at 23.27 deg above the equator.

Ant planet that goes outside the boundaries of the sun is considered “out of bounds”, The Sun doesn’t have as strong an authority over that Wild, Free planet.

You can compare declinations in synastry, if you have two planets at the same declination within one degree, it’s called “parallel.” If they have the same degree but one is N of the equator and one is S, it’s “contra parallel.”

posted December 23, 2022 10:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Omeganire:
I never heard of this but you may be interested in my chart.
Venus OOB in cancer, in the 7th house, conjunct sun and Dsc.

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posted December 23, 2022 11:09 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Which means mine might be.

I'm late to the party and this is over my head:
when they achieve a declination greater than the maximum declination of the ecliptic (23N28 or 23S28).

If anyone wants to explain then ok. But I totally understand if not, to do so sounds potentially kind of exhausting to me

Same to GWRS: how did you work yours out? But ok if it's too hard to go into.

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I will say that I've never studied the mechanics of declinations nor their astrological significance, so I'm hoping someone more knowledgeable will chime in, but here's my understanding:

Scientifically speaking, this is where planetary motion in the birth chart becomes three-dimensional.

You're probably already aware of some of these astronomical events.

The Earth is tilted at about 23.5 degrees (this actually changes very slightly in approximately 40,000-year cycles). This tilt is what provides our seasons. On the summer solstice, the sun hits its highest point, the Tropic of Cancer (23.5 North). On the winter solstice, the lowest point, the Tropic of Capricorn (23.5 South).

This band of 23.5 degrees north, and 23.5 degrees south is relative to the celestial equator. The sun traveling within this band intersects the zero point, the ecliptic, twice a year and giving us the vernal equinox and autumnal equinox.

With the zero point as reference, planets move in "declination to the ecliptic" as they travel in both their own orbit (more on this below) and in their position relative to the Earth.

When looking at a birth chart on paper, it is flat, the planets move in a disk around the zodiac. In the actual solar system, the planets collectively are moving in a *generally* flat plane around the sun and thus within the band of our tropics.

However, the planets' rotation around the sun is not *perfectly* flat, and thus each may stray outside of the borders of the tropics. Or in astrological terms, go "Out of Bounds."

With the orbits of Mercury and Venus being closer to the Sun than that of the Earth, the only opportunity they have to stray above the Cancer tropic or below the Capricorn tropic is near each respective solstice.

I am aware that Mercury's orbit is at a rather wide 7-degree tilt relative to the ecliptic. Pluto's orbit is at a massive 17-degree tilt relative to the ecliptic.

posted December 23, 2022 11:23 AM            

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Originally posted by anevolena:
@Sassaqua like comdoc said, if you click the “PDF Additional Tables” button on Astro, the farthest right column under “Planet Postions” is titled Declinations and if it is in red (over 23.27 deg) that planet is Out of Bounds.

When we talk about degrees in the zodiac, we are mainly talking longitude. A planet in, say, 7 deg Gemini can be anywhere in latitude, but on the 7 deg longitude line.

Declinations are the latitude position of those planets. It can be N or S of the equator. So if two planets have the same deg, but not declination, one is directly, vertically above the other. If two planets have the same declination but not degree, they are horizontally in the same position in the sky. Two planets with the same degree and declination are in the exact same point in the sky.

The earth’s apparent orbit around the sun shifts depending on the seasons. At the Summer Solstice (Gemini to Cancer) the sun is in the highest point in the sky in the North Hemisphere. That point is 23.27 deg above the equator. Likewise for the Winter Solstice, the sun reaches its maximum at 23.27 deg above the equator.

Ant planet that goes outside the boundaries of the sun is considered “out of bounds”, The Sun doesn’t have as strong an authority over that Wild, Free planet.

You can compare declinations in synastry, if you have two planets at the same declination within one degree, it’s called “parallel.” If they have the same degree but one is N of the equator and one is S, it’s “contra parallel.”

I still need to do research on parallels in synastry, but people say it’s similar to a conjunction. Intuition is telling me it’s weaker than a standard “conjunction” though. I’d imagine it’s more “supportive.” I say this because there are 360 zodiac degrees and only ~30 degrees declination.

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You beat me to the astronomical explanation.

posted December 23, 2022 02:01 PM            

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Originally posted by anevolena:
Can you maybe describe how you express your Venus? That would help contribute to this thread.

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posted December 23, 2022 11:54 PM            

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Originally posted by comdoc:
@Scorpionic James Burgess speaks about out of bounds Venus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np2u9K5NJaA

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He tutored me for a short while, although I doubt he remembers me, since it was years ago.

posted December 24, 2022 04:07 AM            

Need space in my head to process and I will read again your responses.

Doesn't apply to me, but applies to transits on the 15th December - they were red, fwiw:

Mercury: CAP 11°39'45" Speed: 1°21'57" Lat: 2°13'23" S Declination: 25° 8'26" S

Venus: CAP 6° 4' 5" Speed: 1°15'16" Lat: 0°54' 8" S Declination: 24°12' 0" S

posted January 01, 2023 10:16 AM            

And I can agree to everything stated above...obsessive love, transformative love, drama, but also soulmate, unconditional love, passion.
Love is my main motivation, for everything. All my love stories were in some way dramatic and deeply transformative for me. And I consider myself to be quite hedonistic in general.
I ended all of my relationships because of this great need to love whoever I want whenever I want ( I had less than average number of partners however, if I compare myself to my friends), and you can imagine this is not a great attitude for having a long term relationship.
I eventually settled down with my husband and had 2 kids, but maybe I'm not made to stay with one partner for the rest of my life at least that's how I feel.