posted December 23, 2022 08:30 AM            

Any thoughts are welcome on this synastry and composite below. Birth time is accurate for inside/blue and a calculated guess for red. Thank you in advance!

Synastry: http://ibb.co/42KRwbC

posted December 23, 2022 11:23 AM            

What's the story here? Look like a lot of difference but also a low-key vibe of familiarity and affinity? Something about each other that's attracting, or you're curious about each other?

Well, you would see that you have Venus EXACTLY square his Pluto, right? There's plenty of info on LL on this aspect. I would suggest you look out for this - big time: it's exact, and it's a square, and there's not a great deal of smooth aspects to fall back on in this synastry.

Your Venus is also right on your south node, and, so, his Pluto is square too, your SN, again - EXACT.

This is quite heavy. And will definitely create fantastic passion and attraction and a sense of fate between you that will be just so hard to resist - even when times are bad. Even perhaps very bad. You will grow and you will learn, and you will have your sense of power and self esteem challenged. Be careful.

Me, personally, I dislike Pluto square Venus without many reassuring aspect, and there aren't really that many easy aspects in this synastry. BUT, that's my opinion, and that comes with age.. We've all been through these relationships. These Pluto experiences are still exciting and such relationships are still worthwhile exploring, because we learn and grow.

You have this Pluto square Venus aspect natally (fairly widely), so you can kind of relate to it and cope well with it - it's not foreign to you. But I see that, when his Pluto starts playing his push and pull performance, it will flair your firey Leo nature to stand up for yourself - which is great. But, when you do, there's not a lot of planets his side, that will respect or understand the Leo side to you. So, what I'm saying is that, when you stand up for your self, it may not result in being heard and responded to in the way that you need. This can kind of wear things out, rather than build strength in the relationship over time.

So, his Pluto squaring your Venus and nodal axis, is the first T-square in the synastry. T-squares create tension and they make people stand up and notice each other.

The other things regarding the outer planets is that, his Mercury EXACTLY conjunct his Mars, and is - AGAIN - EXACTLY opposite your Neptune. This is uncanny alone in a natal chart, let alone in synastry AND on top of the EXACT square between your Venus/Nodes square his Pluto.

Seriously!? This is just spooky. Really!

So.. what to say about this? Well.. getting back to being able to stand up for yourself/ves in times of potential trouble with that Pluto, this opposition provides you with some armor to .support yourself in the relationship. In times of trouble (with his Pluto), you are able to undermine him in a soft manner. I like to see a balance like this with outer planets. So, this is ok.. It helps creates equality in the relationship.

Moving on ....
Your Chiron is opposite your Saturn, and his Jupiter squares both forming another (2nd so far) T-square in the synastry. This represents that, your interaction with him will enlarge the insecurities you have related to the natal opposition you have here with Chiron. And, again, there are no easy aspects providing a smooth path out of this T-square. Which means that, tension mounts, and you two might end up irritating each other. Which is of course, normal in relationships. The question is always will the people irritate each other and end up building bridges or will they say goodbye (and when).

Here's just one of many interpretations of Chiron opposite Saturn - there are plenty more:
"Chiron opposite Saturn is usually quite typical of a very wounding relationship to the father and/or to authority figures in general."

Your Moon squares his Moon - Mars opposition. This is yet another T-square.. So, layers and layers of challenges overall in the synastries with these tense T-squares. Again, with this T-square, while it is possible that, your Saturn provides stability to his emotional turmoils, your Saturn is a bit wide, and combined with that, in my opinion, the supports overall in the synastry are kind-of a bit thin, it doesn't add a lot of weight on the positive side for a smooth ride.

Some affinities here -
He has Moon - Mars opposition, and you have Moon - Mars square.. This indicates some affinity between you both - you will sense you have similar temperaments.. perhaps there are similarities in childhood, or the way you get on with people, or the way you process information, or some similar athletic activities, or way you move - your gaits when you walk. There is some recognition here anyhow.

Another affinity between you both is an uncanny amount of exact aspects in either of your natal charts, and also, in the synastry between you both. I also believe this can create a vibe between people, a recognition that you're on the same wavelength.

Briefly (I'm getting tired), his Sun/Chiron opposite his Saturn and Uranus is worth a mention (and I hope someone else will elaborate for you), but, importantly, your Sun and Moon lend a lot of comfort and support to him here. This is the softer, and nicer aspects needed to provide a loving foundation for a relationships to support the union in harmony.

Summary - Sorry, I've been ice skating all day and I'm getting loopy tired! This is a really interesting synastry and I hope someone else chimes in with their insights. On one hand, there is affinity, on the other you are both quite different, and, there are really not a lot of classical intimate connections - except your Sun and Moon, to his Sun/Chiron opposite his Saturn and Uranus. Which is pretty nice, and you will grow from the union. On the other, there is also attraction and curiosity about each other. Which obviously is good.

There's a heap more to say here and to explore. Like, for example, your Pluto conjunct Juno trine his EXACT Mercury/Mars that is EXACT opposite your Neptune as mentioned. Where we have your Pluto at 15 degrees, ok, but what's your Juno (it's cropped off)? Don't tell me it's exact your Pluto?? That would be too too uncanny!

This is just a basic glance and a start

posted December 23, 2022 12:38 PM            

Thank you so much for your in-depth and extensive thoughts on this synastry/composite!

Firstly to clarify the relationship - it was an on & off “casual” relationship/hookup that went for 5 years. Although it was somewhat casual, I believe there was underlying emotional sometimes intense feelings on both sides. I’m still trying to figure out and process my own feelings although it started more than 12 years ago! This relationship caused me a lot of pain but when I look back this is the person I feel the most connected to or even the closet thing to love? Could be my Neptune aspects?

You noted the Venus/nodes square Pluto first and I think this had one of the most significant impact on our relationship. Lots of back and forth like you said, some games played, tested both of our self esteem, integrity and morals even. Definitely some possessiveness as well.

I was shocked how many hard aspects we have when I looked into our synastry, and so many T squares! I think a couple things that help is my Mars conjunct his Venus, his Moon in my 4th house, and even his Venus square my sun/moon may still be somewhat positive? But overall I don’t think there was enough goof aspects in synastry to nurture a serious relationship and thats why it eventually died out. The composite doesn’t look that great to me at all either.

My Juno is 14 degrees so 1 degree away from my Pluto at 15.

Your assessment seems very accurate and is so so helpful! I guess me posting this is my way of trying to make some sense out of what the relationship was. I still think about him and more often recently which is strange. I’m hoping to process, heal, learn and grow from this. And of course I’m also curious if he actually had feelings for me haha! Sometimes I’m not sure with Pluto if it’s about actual feelings or control.

posted December 23, 2022 09:20 PM            

It's really nice to get that information back and know that I'm somewhere on track. Because don't want to make things worse, lol.

When people are very young sometimes they still have to go through those hard and intense feelings (not talking about you here, I don't know how young you both potentially are). Well, when young we are more inclined to go head first (hormones etc). So, I don't like to be all negative. AND also, sometimes it's only when you go deep in the charts that you see more (see my thoughts below!). It's a fine line to straddle when reading synastry

Pluto.. I'm old and experienced and I'd still have trouble avoiding it. Always reminds me of when Barney and Robin on How I Met Your Mother end up having a relationship and come out of it later to not recognise their disheveled selves. It ruins them.

But, you know, Pluto aspects of course are not the only aspects that will ruin people. And, some people can handle some challenges better than others. But, there's not always enough time/energy to go through the natals as well as the synastry, to find that out. Same with the houses, and the composite.

I know a girl with all trines in her chart.. anything challenging she can't handle, and she thinks that all people with squares have major issues, lol. And some people have just reached their limit with challenges. Or alternatively, they love them, because they like to push against others to varying degrees.

Some people mistake passion and pain (abuse sometimes too), for love. I do think there are some answers to be found in his Chiron and Saturn. Something for him that feels familiar, and therefore, like love. Is he harsh with you? Harsh words in the relationship (with your Merc T-squaring) It would be again interesting to take time to look more at natals if I could. For example, I see you are alpha-like with the Leo, but you want someone more low-key, yet low-key needs to appreciate your fire. Your Moon and Mars want different things.

Composite -
When I glance here at the composite and the tie-in to the natals there's so much more to unpick. I see his Lilith on the comp Sun exact, the comp Mars is on his Sun, and then, trine the composite Moon. What's going on here - is he taking all the attention?

Wait there's more..

If you look what I say below with the pattern completion - the comp Mars - that is ALSO conjunct his natal Sun, forms and overall kite, with your firey planets. And then the comp Moon is trine.. another overall kite then. So, that's a lot of Marsy emotionalism in the relationship (hello Jupiter, too). I was going to say, that, it's a shame the composite Venus isn't plugging in much - including to the natals. The Sun looks unaspected but it plugs in nicely, with your Mars, Mercury and his Moon.

Somehow, I feel sad this didn't work out and I hope you end up working this out. But also that enough time has passed and you need to start upgrading your prospects, lol. It's a lot of time gone, hey. Learn from it and don't let people steal your time. You're a lion and deserve to be validated, and treated like a queen

Apologies, I should keep my unsolicited advice out of it. But, seriously - how much time is drained by people who give very little back

Is the bottom line that, in this synastry there are not enough smooth aspects to conserve the energy? Has it become too draining? Are the personal planets not contacted enough? I'm second thinking all of this because there's so much good stuff? But it's deep. OR, maybe, the situation can all come down to that your Moons are square and it's as simple as that - as some thoughts have it.

I was going to say, lucky you didn't have a heap of Saturn aspects sticking a mess together no matter what. But I just had a look and you did have a fair bit of Saturn, hey. And an inconjunct from yours to his Sun, which is rough, and without smooth aspects for his sun to diffuse this tricky energy. And then, there was a bit of Saturn from him to you.. which is nice but pretty/too wide, really. Maybe it was your Saturn that kept it going these years?

Yes, your Mars on his Venus was a help.. also because there is the easy aspect to your Venus and Jupiter. What is the problem here I detect no problems here?

His Jupiter trine your Moon is great too - especially because it's the only fire you get on a backdrop of not much from his chart. But Jupiter maybe isn't personal enough. BUT, having said that, I get the feeling that he does loves and appreciate you, because with Saturn, they are the only fire planets (leaving out more outer planets). So, you make him feel alive, and, I think he's more likely to commit to you because of this?

Oh my! Your fire planets (Moon!) completes a grand trine in with his Jupiter and Saturn.. this is getting juicier by the minute AND, a kite to his Sun. AND (ffs) you have a grand trine in earth (Mar Merc Sat) that he hooks into, and his Scorp Moon forms a kite. This means that, his Sun and Moon get a lot of focus in the relationship.. What more does he want? Some people just think the grass is greener on the other side.. Seriously, the more I look, the more I am seeing how much beauty there is here and how it feels so like you are besties after all. It takes time to suss the depths of the charts out for sure.

I still think those EXACT aspects make a difference. I believe they can be sensed. Maybe that might give it a sibling vibe after a time? A vague similarity at first, that turns into wondering why you got together because they are so/too soft and intangible to be appreciated long term, when you're in the relationship.

If I keep going I just end up stating obvious stuff that an experienced person like yourself already knows about. It's the synthesis that counts, hey.

I've done a double-take and think this is such a significant relationship. I however, don't know if you want him back, how long it's been, or if he wants back, or you've cut ties? But, I can totally understand how you're still thinking about it. When are you getting back together?

I didn't look from his side as much.. as I ran out of steam. Sorry.

posted December 25, 2022 02:24 PM            

I didn’t have the best relationship with my dad growing up, so I think this did trigger certain things with my chiron/Saturn, you are right there.

*adding in* it could come down to simply the moon square moon not finding common ground. I would think that his moon in my 4th house (me having Scorpio and Pluto in 4th) as well as me having a moon/ mars aspect nataly - that this could all help smooth out the differences and help find common ground in our moons but maybe it’s still not enough?

You really brought to light so many natal to natal aspects and the kites we created for each other - I had no idea! I am somewhat experienced and still learning, but you seem to have a lot more insight and in depth knowledge. I approach astrology still more as a “flat” concept (if that makes sense) not yet able to tie different charts into each other. Thank you for the kind words and advice! It seems like you are very active on this board, and want to thank you again for all of your input!

@MissBo24 I can definitely relate! Thank you for sharing your experience. I’m sorry it didn’t work out for you. How was your synastry? I don’t think any aspect is necessarily doom and gloom, just may be harder to work through and requires a lot of maturity!

posted December 26, 2022 02:03 AM            

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Originally posted by MMarie:

@MissBo24 I can definitely relate! Thank you for sharing your experience. I’m sorry it didn’t work out for you. How was your synastry? I don’t think any aspect is necessarily doom and gloom, just may be harder to work through and requires a lot of maturity!

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@MMarie Happy Holidays!

This is my synastry with the person. I am still new to all of these but trying to understand more. Someone on here looked at my synastry with this person and said that he is pretty attracted to me but his mercury doesn't aspect any of my planets so that's why he doesn't communicate consistently. I have Venus/Mars in Aquarius so I'm okay with long distance but his Venus/Mars in Capricorn so he needs something more traditional. His Saturn square my Uranus/Neptune so he will never commit to me.