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Topic: Synastry/Composite interpretation help please
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jyeshthatequila
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From: Seattle, Washington, United States
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posted January 14, 2023 07:51 PM
  
Hi everyone, I've been trying to study composite charts more lately but still have a hard time interpreting them myself. Can someone please explain why me and this person feel like we have so much in common and why we feel this intense connection together? I'm also wondering if anyone can spot any potential red flags.. Also, does anyone have any recommendations for studying composite charts? Book recommendations possibly. Please and thank you!! Synastry (I'm on the inside in blue): http://imgur.com/a/Dcsrxgb
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Randall
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posted January 15, 2023 07:50 PM
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Stoika7
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posted January 18, 2023 01:49 AM
Hi jyeshthatequila,you feel the connection and intensity mainly cause composite Pluto is conjunct Venus and square Moon. This is one of the most intense aspects you can find... But it's not just that. The Juno/Jupiter midpoint is square the Nodes, the Mars/Venus midpoint is conjunct North Node, MC is exactly square Vertex. And Sun is trine Moon. These are all very intense aspects giving soulmates feelings. It looks very fated and otherworldly. Don't know if you are in a committed relationship, but there are inner feelings of devotion in any case on various levels. Jupiter and Sun are trine to ASC, and Chiron is trine to Juno, that is why you feel you have so much in common or feel on the same page, as if the other reminds of yourself somehow.
There are a few concerning aspects though, which may hinder a committment to take off the ground on long term as one would wish or imagine...
Neptune square to the nodes is usually an aspect giving great uncertainty and question marks on long run and about the direction/nature of the relationship, even though it is so karmic and a "soulmate" aspect. Often, it may point to some unfinished business of some kind.
Same issue with Vertex square MC, which may give strong feelings/wish to commit, but for some reason it often doesn't manifest at the same powerful level one would expect... this is because Vertex belongs to astral planes which usually arent' grounded in the reality for some reasons and circumstances.
Then, maybe the most challenging aspect, you have Saturn opposite Mars, which is usually a red flag for long term... it can play out very frustrating or disappointing, or it may signal that there are great uncertainties for committment, usually at the man's side.
Uranus widely conjunct Netpune may signal some difficulty for intimacy on the physical plane, or sometimes plain physical distance.
Chiron square to the Lilith/Mercury opposition is a bit quirky, since it would initially give heavenly feelings, but on the long run it may reveal conflicts at communication level as they would be exposed to each other in their vulnerability, and since there is great closeness and intimacy, one may also feel easily hurted when conflicts arise.
This all looks like a very karmic bond btw,affectionate and potentially devoted, even though there are elements which may escape your control and underlying uncertainties on the long term. AS for your request of advice, I would suggest to study the composite aspects in the same way you would read a natal chart, and apply your intepretation to a relationship, looking not at just a single aspects but also at the whole picture of the aspects together. and start to study charts of couples you personally know or of your own relationships.
I didn't really read much on books (not yet, my bad), but I especially practised by reading actual people's charts and from their feedback. IP: Logged |
jyeshthatequila
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From: Seattle, Washington, United States
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posted January 20, 2023 04:22 AM
@Stoika7 - Awwww I appreciate you so much for giving me your interpretation, Stoika!! At this point I feel like you are my personal composite chart interpretation angel <3 Always gracing me with your composite knowledge. To clarify some things, I haven't committed to this relationship yet because I didn't want to begin another dead end relationship, I want something that will be long-term.. thats why I posted this, to find out if I should/want to say yes to the committment of a relationship.
I do feel in so many ways we have so much chemistry and intimacy that is undeniable but I'm scared of jumping into something that won't last. I am curious about something in the composite chart you said that mars opposite saturn is the most troubling, but we are both natally mars opposite saturn people, does that make a difference at all? Or will the effect still be the same? Also, I took your advise on learning how to read composites and the first thing I did was look at the composites of couples around me that I know. Out of looking at about 15 charts of couples, there were only maybe 3 charts that had the mars opposite saturn and a couple had mars square saturn.
I have experienced mars opposite saturn with someone I just got out of a relationship with recently, but I ended things with him because I didn't want to commit. The sex was very good so that wasn't an issue. Question, in composite charts that have red flag aspects like this one does, is there saving grace aspects? Or do the red flags outweigh the positive flags for potential long-term committment? IP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted January 20, 2023 05:38 AM
Hi jyeshthatequila darling and thank you for your lovely words and great feedback❤️ So delighted to be your composite angel 😇 🙏Great that you studied those charts! I feel that at this speed of learning you will soon be in the club of composite angels 🥰 As for the Saturn/Mars opposition, I guess it depends much on how well or bad you handle this energy in your own natal... it seems to me that you may be attracted by this energy as if you may want to overcome it (in order to find assertiveness) but at the same time it could hinder your ability to overcome your fears and insecurity, like a "comfort zone" for your independence... It may depend on how Pluto is placed in your chart, but also on other natal aspects...
Same thing for those couples with the Saturn/Mars harsh aspects, since maybe they can handle this energy well along other positive aspects in the synastry/ composite... so its not always doomed, as no single aspect never is, but this is why you have to look at the whole picture of the charts, along with synastry...
In your chart with this guy maybe the intensity of Pluto/Venus square Moon is what arises fears to you, and so the saturn mars opposition may point to you as the one who is withdrawing... in synstry, your pluto is square his Moon/Mars and his Saturn, this may be a block you feel cause this intensity arises those fears of yours... you have pluto square moon natally which makes you very sensitive, but along MC square Venus and Neptune in your 7th square chiron it seems you may have these subconscious fears about committment unless the relationship gives you a complete sense of security/stability, but neptune square chiron can be a self-sabotage aspect and since it is in your 7th and 5th, it may "hide" subconscious self-esteem issues or even self-punishment at subconscious level as if you deprive yourself of some intensity or potential happyness cause you may feel at subconscious level that you're not worth... (just speculating, dont know if this resonates with you)
Since his chiron is right on your mars/saturn opposition, he likely triggers these insecurities of yours a lot... but it is also on your north node sextile to his pluto, and this could suggest that your karmic connection (very karmic with the strong vertex) may be meant to help you overcome these fears and embrace the intensity no matter what the outcome is, i.e. taking the risk.
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Stoika7
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posted January 20, 2023 05:48 AM
Sorry forgot the question"Question, in composite charts that have red flag aspects like this one does, is there saving grace aspects? Or do the red flags outweigh the positive flags for potential long-term committment?" I dont think so. It depends again on the big picture and how the aspects are balanced... to me, the aspects that would outweight the positive ones are mainly those suggesting toxic and abusive issues, such as harsh Saturn against pluto and chiron, or pluto square mars (along with other harsh aspects), harsh nessus involving pluto, mars, chiron and saturn... Saturn square Neptune is not always toxic, unless there are other malicious ones in the same composite, but usually signals that the relationship unlikely has a future. And Mars square or opposite Neptune usually plays out with infidelty and in this sense it would outweight other aspects in a committed relationship... IP: Logged |
jyeshthatequila
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From: Seattle, Washington, United States
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posted January 22, 2023 03:25 AM
@Stoika7 - You truly are a blessing! I can't thank you enough for your interpretations - which in the past have resonated so much with me. As for finding assertiveness with my mars opposite saturn (natal aspect), it's interesting because I find that to be very true, I think I have tried very hard to become assertive as I get older. On another note, something I noticed in this relationship so far is that I find myself being assertive, but not as much, I actually can admit when I am wrong, and I appreciate him more for putting me in my place. I feel like I don't care to be right in this relationship, it's like I just want it to work. And so far he hasn't done anything to make me feel like I can't believe in him or drop my ego or assertiveness for the sake of being on good terms. Maybe I am in love? I don't know. But this is the first relationship where I don't feel the need to insist on being right. Maybe this is also the sun trine moon in our composite playing out this way, but again, I'm not sure. It's just how things have been going so far. Side note: When I looked at past composites with my exes, my hardest relationship was one where we had composite pluto conjunct/in the same sign as every planet except Mars. (Mars was squaring the stellium) and I remember you interpreted that composite as a beautiful deep bond, but to be honest I never felt close to him. I never felt like I could be close to him, something always felt missing, and I wasn't understanding how a great composite can give that feeling. I never respected him and our egos completely clashed, we were always fighting and still do since we have to speak because we share a child. (Sun square mars composite).
"it may "hide" subconscious self-esteem issues.." YES! I have always felt unworthy in every relationship I've been in. And I hate committment, like real committment, the lets move in and be together for many years committment. I self-sabotage every relationship I've been in. But this one I really want to keep. I feel like if I lose this person, who is just like me, I would be so heartbroken because I've dated so many people, and nobody compares to the feeling I have with this person or the type of relating I have with him from our pasts. Hoping there were aspects that said it would last if I did agree to be in a real relationship, but now I am more stuck on what to do. Should I just go for it? IP: Logged |
Stoika7
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posted January 22, 2023 09:43 PM
I think that composite Jupiter/Sun trine to Moon/ASC and Saturn sextile to MC is why you feel "no need to be right" and just want to feel the harmony between you two and make it work out. It could also be that Saturn opposite Mars in this case lets you put aside your ego.
as for your final question, I believe you could give it a try because you may need to overcome your fears about committment, and also because the Moon/Jupiter midpoint conjunct North Node along with the Mars/Venus mp also conjunct North Node looks outstanding.
Saturn opposite Mars with Saturn in the 7th house is still tricky though for long term, and so you have to keep this in mind. Even though I suspect it could point to your indecisiveness in committing.
As for the former chart/relationship with Mars against the stellium, now I cant obviously remember the chart, but since you natally have Mars opposite Saturn it is possible that Composite Mars caused your rejection and issues... (I should re.look at it to understand why you felt that way, but Mars square alone sometimes can play out quite malicious.... ) IP: Logged | |
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