posted March 20, 2023 06:14 PM            

And, overtime, the Pluto/Mars person will perhaps feel that there is something they just don't like or trust about the 12H person.

They may become somewhat aggressive, cold, or distant, in a pre-emptive attack.

posted March 21, 2023 03:39 AM            

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posted March 21, 2023 03:40 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Yes.. I think this is the case.

And, overtime, the Pluto/Mars person will perhaps feel that there is something they just don't like or trust about the 12H person.

They may become somewhat aggressive, cold, or distant, in a pre-emptive attack.

Not before of course exploiting them in some way first. Having sex with them first, is the most obvious example to use.

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posted March 22, 2023 07:01 AM            

It sounds pretty yucky to me.. I despise Pluto at the best of times.

What's the situation - care to share?

posted March 22, 2023 06:11 PM            

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Sure!
If I'm right, I could have this with the girl I like but since I don't know her exact time of birth, this is more for my own curiosity and knowledge cause I can't bet on it.
This conjunction falls in my 5th house tho and I know I'm really attracted to her and was aware of it since I first saw her. When I saw the possibility of it falling in her 12th house it did worry me a bit since I don't fully understand this house yet in synastry, I know it's about the subconscious/hidden stuff but that's it.
I am the one making the steps towards her and seeing that her mars could be in her 12th house I was assuming that she's not the pursuer type, that she's more passive perhaps? Again, it's all a theory but I find it interesting

posted March 22, 2023 06:22 PM            

You mean one person's Pluto conjunct another's Mars.

Sorry, it's not how I read it for some reason.

In that case, I would change my interpretation to include: initial intense curiosity and attraction to each other. Attraction that some would call anxiety, lol. Some people interpret an anxious feeling around another as attraction. It just depends on your view and preference.

Deep feelings of a unified couple that is separate to the rest of the world.. A secret and intimate union (that includes sex) that is their own world.

posted March 22, 2023 06:45 PM            

I think that Pluto conjunct Mars is "anxious", and the overlay of Pluto in 12H is also anxious.

For both.. but in different ways pertaining to their different characters (the planets).

But, if one had to choose, I'd say more for Mars. Mars is more high-strung.

The anxious might come with time, or be right away.

Depends on other aspects in the natal charts and the synastry for sure.

The upside might be the capacity to manage it with the result being a nice intimacy that is somewhat intense, with the surplus channeled somewhere.. it depends on other aspects whether this is possible.

posted March 22, 2023 06:58 PM            

Thank you so much for your interpretation, it's really helpful!

posted March 23, 2023 11:28 AM            

As Mars, when in the marriage, I will admit I was the one who controlled overtly. It's embarrassing even to look back and see how I behaved. I was young, but still... however, now that we are done, I just want to move on and never have to deal with him. However, as Pluto, he has switched and now continues to manipulate and attempt to control me. (We have children, and other marital assets so he has means). With it being my mars in his 12th you would think he couldn't trust me, but in the end it's me not being able to trust him.

Second guy, it was in his 2nd house. We never made it to a full relationship despite being on/off for 4 years. That was intensity and passion and much more expressive, but ultimately it came down to us wanting different things and needing to go our separate ways.

posted March 23, 2023 03:52 PM            

My last relationship with the mars/pluto square aspect, I was pluto and I was the controlling and the manipulative one for the most part (which I'm not proud of), she just took advantage of the fact that she knew I couldn't leave her so she did things to hurt me too.

posted March 23, 2023 05:31 PM            

I remembered your Mars/Pluto aspect Stonemoon but I didn't want to mention without your permission. Glad to see you chime in.

I think what happens is that Mars can sense Pluto's maneuvering and desire for dominance and it stresses, frightens, and scatters Mars energy. Mars energy prefers to be focused.

Generally, Mars likes things out in the open and to compete and play on fair ground. Pluto stresses Mars because they are different natures - even if they are in the same sign.

It helps to remember that conjunctions are competing for territory in that degree - the planets don't always "blend".

In Stonemoon's case for example, Mars might appear as the one dominating but that's because Mars is vocal and upfront. Pluto is difficult to see, and unlike Mars, Pluto acts selectively/strategically, whether striking or otherwise.

This makes Mars anxious. Mars reacts by pushing Pluto to show its cards so it's a fair playing field, and to reduce its anxiety.

Mars will try to force things to the surface then, to see the field clearly even if it means pre-empt what it senses might be the inevitable (ie, some kind of darkness). Pluto is big and Mars feels out of its depth, even though Mars is very brave to push things to the inevitable.

posted March 23, 2023 07:27 PM            

As Mars I would say things to him that he would get so upset about, then they turned out to be true... I always worried he was cheating, even though I couldn't see how it could be possible. He appeared to be the devoted husband and father in all senses, going above and beyond.

He was always furious when I did say that, and I thought it was because I was insulting his integrity. Turns out it was because I was right on the nose.

So Sass is dead on- Mars was anxious and acting out bcs something about Pluto wasn't sitting right, something wasn't genuine. Mars sensed it, but couldn't see it. Perhaps this was the 12th house?

posted March 23, 2023 11:04 PM            

The worst is those kind of lies. You poor thing because the head-job on that is notoriously awful: you feel bad for questioning them, then you feel crazy/paranoid, and you just become smaller and smaller..

After you feel sickened that a human being can do this to another human being.

Yes.. I had synastry Moon conjunct Pluto and something similar. So many people cheat it's a terrible thing.

I'm sorry you went through that Stonemoon :hugs:

posted March 24, 2023 09:46 AM            

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Where is Mars in composite? We also had Mars in 12th composite, with Uranus. Sudden endings. And bad sex. True and true.

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With this girl I have a mars/pluto square in the composite and if her TOB is correct, mars would be in the 11th house forming a conjunction with the NN.

I don't know my ex's TOB for the house overlay but mars is not aspected in the composite.