posted March 28, 2023 09:19 AM            

This is the synastry and composite between two friends of mine. Only one of their TOB is known (Aries rising) but I have a strong feeling the other is a Virgo rising.

I'm asking because I am a bit concerned about this... I don't get good vibes at all between them. She is obsessed with him, but I also get the sense she is using him for power and status. She is very power hungry. He seems desperate for attention, he seems in a really low place and I am worried he thinks intensity = love. I don't want him trapped in a suffocating relationship because he craves love and attention. At the same time, in his darkness he may want the feeling of totally controlling/owning someone. She gives him all the attention he wants, and he basks in it. I get the sense that she is doing all she can to keep him. She won't let him go without a fight.

I just really don't believe this is genuine love, but I want to know if this is significant/karmic. I know we all have to go through stuff to grow, but I am concerned.

posted March 29, 2023 05:29 PM            

Anyway, the Taurus person could turn to hate and controlling issues really quick. - Mars conjunct Saturn opposite Moon in Scorpio. Jupiter in Taurus kind of saves him/her from this, but it's not going to be really powerfull, because Jupiter has no essential dignitie in Taurus, Mars and Moon are in detriment/fall, and Saturn is linked to Venus, which Venus is in Aries, again in detriment, so... is a really trouble maker energy. Probably because there are so many planets in Taurus will balance this person, but it's more like keeping inside until everything explodes. Hence, the opposition from Saturn/Mars to Moon.

There are no so many things involved between them, but you also don't know the ASC for the other person. They get each other emotionally, they balance each other out. They don't have the same history and this helps them in their path because they have like the answer to the others problems.

I don't think the Taurus is a Virgo ASC. If she is the person you are talking about and you know the ASC to the guy, I don't feel like someone with a Virgo ASC could be playing the games that you are saying or have a mastermind for power, even with those placements in the personal planets.

The do have some similar energies and that's why they are probably spending time together and they understand each other although it's not so deep.

You don't know the ASC for the other person and they could have some important placements that makes this long term.

If you are interested in him and you don't see him as just your friend, I think you should let them be as they are. It's not our "job" to pick someones partner even if it doesn't seem right or it seems like it's something wrong from the exterior.

I'm saying this because I don't see in synastry the things that you are saying. He might be a lonely person with Saturn in the 11th if he is the one with Aries ASC, but the ruler of the 7th is in the 3rd house, and is in Gemini, and this is the house of passion and if the planet that rules this house is not well placed along with Mars, this is a person that is lustful. Being in Gemini, and anyway, Venus in Gemini is the player placement and he has a square from Venus to Mars, along with Aries ASC, he likes these types of things. She has the same inner conflict in relationships as he has. He likes how she obsessing over him and she likes to be obsessed about someone.

posted March 29, 2023 07:54 PM            

They both are my friends, but I am closer with the Aries. I've known him longer. The Aries is the guy, the unknown ascendant is the girl.

I'm not interested in him. Just a friend. I dislike his flirtatious attitude and he is self centered. Very insincere , superficial. But to be fair I also think he is going through a very deep depression, so he is acting unhealthily, not his best self... so although I mainly get power plays from her, I know he is subtly encouraging it. I'm sure he isn't a helpless captive. The relationship seems a bit toxic but I know he is contributing.

I'm mainly concerned because of his depression, not this relationship. Mainly I wanted to see if this seems like a reboundy, I-just-desperately-need-company type situation or if it was genuinely real. If it is, I'd be happy for them, but if it's not, I'm concerned in the broader sense. Checking to see if this is indeed a symptom or a nonissue.

From the moment I saw her I thought she was a Virgo rising... she fits the bill appearance-wise too. She is small, thin, on the plainer side. She is observant, critical, orderly, very Virgo like. Before they were together she was on the reserved, quiet side.

Gently, she isn't a team player, and positions herself as superior, The Best. This is without his influence. He exasperates this aspect in her undoubtedly… He can help her rise the social ladder and she is well aware of it. He's also aware of it. I think he likes being in that position-- where he knows she needs him more than he needs her. Gives him some insurance and the upper hand in the relationship. And thus, she is very protective and defensive of him, will not give him up. Through this relationship, she seemed to develop an egotistical, abrasive persona. But she is a huge go-getter. I think its her T-square at work, particularly her Mars conjunct Saturn especially opposite his Pluto.

It just doesn't seem healthy. Very weird power struggles. TBH they both get on my nerves, lol.

posted March 30, 2023 02:34 AM            

I mean, many taurus placement = earning with your own hands what you have.

Sure, she has Moon in Scorpio, but I don't think is enough to be like that.

Maybe she has a Capricorn ASC. She has Mars conjunct Saturn and this could be critical, observant, possessive. Taurus placements make someone simple. They are not overly showing off. Maybe she has an ASC that links to one of the placements in Taurus - Jupiter, Saturn, Mars, or Sun.

Anyway, it's very difficult to find the ASC if you don't know what's going on in someones life.

posted March 30, 2023 06:42 AM            

You’re right in that “power hungry” may not be the right word. Whatever it is, he definitely makes it more pronounced in her. I think it is more a product of their relationship than it is her. I think he triggers her opposition and that makes her feel a bit out of control so she overcompensates to feel secure. He has a tendency for situationships so his lack of pure commitment may be internally triggering her desire for security, making her act in weird ways to feel secure. She seems much more committed to him than the other way around and I’m sure that is hard to deal with.

So yeah… “power hungry” may not be it. More like her craving stability with a flighty and unstable partner she wants to keep. So she’s becoming a bit controlling in order to maintain it. Probably just the Taurus stuff like you were saying.

While she may not be power hungry natally, this specific relationship is triggering unhealthy behavior.

While I’m not sure I would bet money against a Leo rising… Capricorn rising, maybe, but I also think the housing placements for a Virgo rising make sense with her. Plus, I think Mercury in 8H Aries is a reasonable chart ruler for her.

I don’t think she’ll break his heart but I’m worried he’ll break hers. I know she is very into him. I don’t think he’s as into her, and as I already dislike that style in him, I dislike the idea of him just sitting back and letting her obsess while he does minimal in return.

posted March 30, 2023 07:30 AM            

He seems more flirty and unstable, probably more into superficial relationships than having a stable one.

posted March 30, 2023 03:14 PM            

His Moon falls on her ASC and this is a long term aspect, but the thing is that is his moon instead of her Moon on his ASC and this would make her ofering him support with his emotional needs.

he might be dependent on her and ask her to give him support. He probably whines to her. Poor her!

Because genders are reversed, the guy would be in an emotional state all the time with the woman and she will be put in position of a man, protecting him, ofering him whatever he needs, or him asking of her a lot.

When it is the right gender, the man is glad to protect her. It's natural to them.

I've seen it as far as guys talking to the girl about previous relationships, looking for support, being unable to be in control - which is a manly thing. Putting the woman as being a rock for them.

And it's ok when it is like that, but it has to be both ways to be balanced.

In this case, it isn't.

posted March 31, 2023 01:46 AM            

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Thank you Mee !! You have been so helpful. I appreciate your time and insight.

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