posted November 11, 2023 01:35 PM            

And then there’s the controversy around Neptune aspects in synastry. Some astrologers really seem to loathe Neptune aspects in synastry (even the harmonious ones) because of the potential for deception, disillusionment and rose-colored glasses. But then there are others who almost won’t even entertain the possibility of a deep soul connection without Neptune aspects. I’d be curious what people think about that too. Thank you!

posted November 16, 2023 05:10 PM            

It could be that sometimes they do well in some signs, and struggle in others. For instance- Uranus in Aquarius is both at home and has the potential to overdo it, from observation.

But I'm also of the generation that has Uranus in Capricorn, so it's maybe not a wonder I view it's 'natural' (lets say modern) ruler at home.

Saturn is less a generational planet, though one could argue it's peer-generational, since it's every 2 ish years per sign, and also comes out differently in each sign. Saturn in Pisces might have a harder time connecting to previous generations without a lot of intentional effort, whereas someone with Saturn in Capricorn may already understand the structure and nature of connection between people.

As for Neptune ... This one is tricky. I have a suspicion with all the planets that we may not know the extent to which they operate in modern day, as our modern understanding is very much based on (almost exclusively) the Greek/Roman era of deity worship and alignment of planets. That could say a lot, considering we are very much still born into a society ruled by capitalism and patriarchal 'guidance' (argument: manipulation).

Neptune does seem to be prominent when it comes to tapping into the spiritual and creative realms, and when applying that to individual people, of course we can get lost. If we see someone more as a 'muse' than a whole person, well. That's on us. If we see someone as god-like, that's also on us- the illusions that we may or may not be ready to confront, depending on how deeply they help structure our perceived reality.

posted November 16, 2023 06:02 PM            

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Originally posted by implosions:
I think it's neat to see the generational takes on the generational planets!

It could be that sometimes they do well in some signs, and struggle in others. For instance- Uranus in Aquarius is both at home and has the potential to overdo it, from observation.

But I'm also of the generation that has Uranus in Capricorn, so it's maybe not a wonder I view it's 'natural' (lets say modern) ruler at home.

Saturn is less a generational planet, though one could argue it's peer-generational, since it's every 2 ish years per sign, and also comes out differently in each sign. Saturn in Pisces might have a harder time connecting to previous generations without a lot of intentional effort, whereas someone with Saturn in Capricorn may already understand the structure and nature of connection between people.

As for Neptune ... This one is tricky. I have a suspicion with all the planets that we may not know the extent to which they operate in modern day, as our modern understanding is very much based on (almost exclusively) the Greek/Roman era of deity worship and alignment of planets. That could say a lot, considering we are very much still born into a society ruled by capitalism and patriarchal 'guidance' (argument: manipulation).

Neptune does seem to be prominent when it comes to tapping into the spiritual and creative realms, and when applying that to individual people, of course we can get lost. If we see someone more as a 'muse' than a whole person, well. That's on us. If we see someone as god-like, that's also on us- the illusions that we may or may not be ready to confront, depending on how deeply they help structure our perceived reality.

I wonder if those who view these planets in synastry as 'more difficult' or even a no-go, which generations they have their own Neptune, Uranus and Saturn in. Very curious- can we do a poll on here? [haha]

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Wow, what a great answer - that was so insightful! Thank you. I love the way you point out that, essentially, we are still very much in process, in terms of really understanding how these generational or outer planets influence us. And I really appreciated the insight about how we are still moving out of a patriarchal understanding of those influences - so true and I'd never thought of that!

I can think of two YouTube astrologers off the top of my head who really have a strong bias against Neptune in synastry, kind of for the reasons you mentioned - the potential to be blindsided by illusion, or even DElusion.

My own personal Saturn happens to be in Cancer in the 7th house - my limited understanding is that Saturn struggles in Cancer, but that the 7th house can be a good placement for Saturn. So who knows? Haha.

I think a poll would be super cool.

posted November 16, 2023 07:41 PM            

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Originally posted by rainbownsideatornado:
I see Saturn in synastry is hotly debated among professional astrologers, particularly with regard to hard aspects (like the square and opposition and in some cases the conjunction, like Saturn - Mars.) I’ve seen some astrologers say they’d rather see hard Saturn aspects in synastry than no Saturn aspects at all. How does the LL community feel about tough Saturn aspects in synastry?

And then there’s the controversy around Neptune aspects in synastry. Some astrologers really seem to loathe Neptune aspects in synastry (even the harmonious ones) because of the potential for deception, disillusionment and rose-colored glasses. But then there are others who almost won’t even entertain the possibility of a deep soul connection without Neptune aspects. I’d be curious what people think about that too. Thank you!

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Agree with those astrologers re: Saturn. I’d rather hard Saturn than no Saturn. I once had a close relationship that last 15 years. My Saturn trines her Venus. Venus is her 7th lord.

posted November 16, 2023 07:45 PM            

It goes without saying that I don’t believe in twin flames or finding the love of life - because these would all involve Neptune and Pluto. Where you have Neptune, you can have self-deception…seeing things in others that are not there.

posted November 28, 2023 12:34 PM            

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Originally posted by StrangeCat:
I’ve seen a lot of Neptune synastry in marriages. Even and especially in failed marriages. It’s one of those, “OMG this is my soulmate!” Situations.

It goes without saying that I don’t believe in twin flames or finding the love of life - because these would all involve Neptune and Pluto. Where you have Neptune, you can have self-deception…seeing things in others that are not there.

They are just flesh and blood but Neptune makes us think they are Demi-gods.

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Oh this is so fascinating - especially the part about Neptune and Pluto. When I think of a heavily Plutonian relationship, I'm like, "Nooooooooo!" lol. Those just seem like the kind that could potentially be very destructive (albeit possibly transformative too) and hard to unhook from. Thank you!

posted November 28, 2023 08:48 PM            

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Originally posted by rainbownsideatornado:
My own personal Saturn happens to be in Cancer in the 7th house - my limited understanding is that Saturn struggles in Cancer, but that the 7th house can be a good placement for Saturn. So who knows? Haha.

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That’s not a terrible placement (they are all neutral, but projections onto these placements growing up can really shape our conscious (or unconscious) POV about ourselves in regards to them.

I've seen this placement before gets a hard time with being emotionally expressive- either they just aren’t enough or too much or not in the right way or people are angry at the level of control you have over said emotions— but this can be dependent on where Cancer rules. In the case of the 7th house, very much in how connections with people are made. Possibly even something to grow into (I’ve found the 7th becomes more visible to others as we get older, but seems hidden as our own personal experience when younger [ie; but i am behaving this way— people just don’t interpret it that way]).

Saturn in the 7th is such a beautiful placement, if harder before the first Saturn Return. It’s a house where Saturn can thrive with lasting relationships that grow and get better as time goes on.