posted February 17, 2024 03:17 AM            

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Originally posted by SleepyDiary:
I was Pluto in two of my experiences and it has been the conjunction i have dealt with. It`s just like what the Cookbook says esp if it`s in close or exact aspects. Pluto wants to control or have some type of influence on the planet person and the way Pluto might express their "love" is by being possessive or jealous. Pluto wants to get to know the planet person inside out and it`s to the point where they might not care if they want them or not they will not stop until the planet person "surrenders" and they are capable of piercing through the planet person and get to their core being. The planet person gets addicted to Pluto`s attention (esp if they have Leo influence or Water influence in their charts) and will start to depend on that to have their reassurance, they feel insecure without it. It`s to a point where they will lose all sanity and still seek it out even when the Pluto person has put them through hell. The planet person might feel like they have no control over the Pluto person but rather feel like they are under their control. It`s deep, intense and obsessive and the bond is hard to break away from esp if you have Saturn aspects in the mix too. It ends when they are forced to end it and it`s usually because they have put each other through hell and no transformations is happening or when the transfomation has happened. Me as Pluto went in, looked, chewed a bit, took a walk to hell and then back and spit them out and moved on.

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Intense!! Me I’m now realizing I’ve pretty much been in all plutonic relationships and learning about that now it makes so much sense that I’ve always felt this intensity in relationships. I have Pluto aspects natally and being a Taurus sun aqua moon and Pisces Mars the odds of me having Pluto aspects which my generation is in Scorpio are very high lol I’ve also realized now I’ve had 8th house overlays & composite Venus/Pluto aspects and many other planet/pluto aspects all the time as well. It’s scary because knowing what I know know I wonder if I will be able to ever love without this because I am so drawn to it it’s the only time I feel something is worthwhile. I don’t seem to associate love without that intensity! And because I am always in a Plutonic relationship the odds are none of them will last! 😩 smh

The one I’m in now we have many pluto aspects synastry wise we have sun/pluto Mars/pluto asc/pluto etc as well as outer planets and 8th house over lay and all these go both ways lol and we have major Venus/Pluto aspects in our composite and our Davison I mean just everywhere I look lol and these are all in very tight aspects all less than 5 most less than 3 smh lol so I can’t rly tell who’s the pluto or the planet I feel like we’ve taken turns over the years lol and we also have strong Saturn placements his a cap moon conjunct my cap asc and his Saturn in my 1st first and many other Saturn aspects so it’s a RLY interesting dynamic to say the least lol 🤦‍♀️

One of the things I keep saying I want to learn is how to leave a relationship before the house burns down and learning about pluto it makes sense why I’ve never been able to do that lol

This guy is a total avoider though so it makes it rly hard to feel him alone because he doesn’t rly cause many issues lol he just goes with the flow of whatever his nonchalant attitude is our biggest problem but unfortunately that isn’t rly a strong enough problem to break all our strong pluto & Saturn binds!

I am no stranger to pluto unfortunately it’s actually all I know. I’m not rly sure where that will leave me in this game of love. I have considered being single my whole life and just reliving the honeymoon stage over and over again with different people because I don’t rly know how else to hold on to this intensity and passion that clearly has a hold over me!

posted February 17, 2024 04:57 AM            

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Originally posted by AquaMoon323:

Intense!! Me I’m now realizing I’ve pretty much been in all plutonic relationships and learning about that now it makes so much sense that I’ve always felt this intensity in relationships. I have Pluto aspects natally and being a Taurus sun aqua moon and Pisces Mars the odds of me having Pluto aspects which my generation is in Scorpio are very high lol I’ve also realized now I’ve had 8th house overlays & composite Venus/Pluto aspects and many other planet/pluto aspects all the time as well. It’s scary because knowing what I know know I wonder if I will be able to ever love without this because I am so drawn to it it’s the only time I feel something is worthwhile. I don’t seem to associate love without that intensity! And because I am always in a Plutonic relationship the odds are none of them will last! 😩 smh

The one I’m in now we have many pluto aspects synastry wise we have sun/pluto Mars/pluto asc/pluto etc as well as outer planets and 8th house over lay and all these go both ways lol and we have major Venus/Pluto aspects in our composite and our Davison I mean just everywhere I look lol and these are all in very tight aspects all less than 5 most less than 3 smh lol so I can’t rly tell who’s the pluto or the planet I feel like we’ve taken turns over the years lol and we also have strong Saturn placements his a cap moon conjunct my cap asc and his Saturn in my 1st first and many other Saturn aspects so it’s a RLY interesting dynamic to say the least lol 🤦‍♀️

One of the things I keep saying I want to learn is how to leave a relationship before the house burns down and learning about pluto it makes sense why I’ve never been able to do that lol

This guy is a total avoider though so it makes it rly hard to feel him alone because he doesn’t rly cause many issues lol he just goes with the flow of whatever his nonchalant attitude is our biggest problem but unfortunately that isn’t rly a strong enough problem to break all our strong pluto & Saturn binds!

I am no stranger to pluto unfortunately it’s actually all I know. I’m not rly sure where that will leave me in this game of love. I have considered being single my whole life and just reliving the honeymoon stage over and over again with different people because I don’t rly know how else to hold on to this intensity and passion that clearly has a hold over me!

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posted February 17, 2024 01:41 PM            

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Originally posted by SleepyDiary:

I think if you have a Watery chart or a Plutonian chart natally you can be very drawn to these types of relationships. I also noticed with these relationships that the attraction was deeper and more heavier than those without Pluto aspects. Like Pluto makes Mars aspects seem almost "tame" and lukewarm in comparison.

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That’s so funny you use the word “lukewarm” because I’ve used that exact term before as well as watered down! Anything without the Pluto seems to feel very lukewarm and watered down to me and it’s rly not enough to hold my attention I also have Venus in Aries so I alrdy tend to get bored easily and desire passion, adventure etc and I have no issue with a bit of tension and drama lol

Have you ever seen a plutonic relationship work? I’m just wondering if my options are never ending plutonic relationships that end in deep pain or a lukewarm love? 😩 which honestly the real alternative would just to be single because I could never have a lukewarm love I would be craving that Pluto energy the whole time smh

posted February 20, 2024 08:39 AM            

I’m quite Plutonian natally as well and tend to like intensity. But with a Scorpio Mars and Moon and my Venus in Leo square my Mars I know I’m also here to learn and accept that my relationships with never be easy (particularly with the Venus Mars square.

Where is your north node, out of curiosity? Mine is in Leo, as well as my ascendant, so I’m here to learn how to value myself and to learn to express who I am unapologetically!

I know that Plutonian relationships are workable but you both need to be honest with yourselves and own your own sh*t! I had to leave the last one because he would do anything but (narcissist characteristics abound!)

I’m currently in another plutonian relationship BUT we have aspects to support us to communicate well and so far it’s all good. I’ll fess up when I notice myself trying to control him.

posted February 20, 2024 07:23 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoIsMyTeacher13:
I can relate!

I’m quite Plutonian natally as well and tend to like intensity. But with a Scorpio Mars and Moon and my Venus in Leo square my Mars I know I’m also here to learn and accept that my relationships with never be easy (particularly with the Venus Mars square.

Where is your north node, out of curiosity? Mine is in Leo, as well as my ascendant, so I’m here to learn how to value myself and to learn to express who I am unapologetically!

I know that Plutonian relationships are workable but you both need to be honest with yourselves and own your own sh*t! I had to leave the last one because he would do anything but (narcissist characteristics abound!)

I’m currently in another plutonian relationship BUT we have aspects to support us to communicate well and so far it’s all good. I’ll fess up when I notice myself trying to control him.

I think I’ve if the lessons we learn through these is to learn how to disarm our shadow by owning it! It’s scary and humbling as f**k but it is also empowering!

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I would love to know more about how you think Venus Square Mars natal effect you? The guy I’m currently in a Pluto relationship with has that natally as well but (Venus gemini Mars Virgo) and I’ve read a little that it can create difficulty in you relationships.

I’m happy to hear your Pluto is going well I do think communication can solve so many things but that takes a lot of self awareness and maturity! The last Pluto relationship I had which overlapped this one but it that relationship it killed me and I was reborn for sure! I grow so much through that and now I feel like I’ve finally reached that point that I could successfully navigate a Pluto relationship but unfortunately the guy I’m currently dealing with has no where near the level of self awareness, maturity or communications skills to do that so this will end in flames one way or another lol

My north node is Aquarius and my vertex is Leo

posted February 25, 2024 11:52 AM            

This is from cafeastrology.com and it describes it perfectly!

Venus in Fire, Mars in Water (Romantic Fire, Watery Desires): You’re a little hard to figure out. On the one hand, you can be quite blunt when it comes to self-expression in love. On the other, you can be sensitive and impressionable. In bed, you require a warm, sentimental, and sensuous partner or else you feel a little insecure, yet your romantic manner is spontaneous and direct. Confusing? Absolutely! But you are also very intriguing—a beguiling mix of independence and neediness.

Your ideal partner recognizes that love and attraction keep you feeling alive and vital, so a relationship that has lost its spark will cause you to lose yours. Your romantic nature is moody, volatile, and dramatic at times! You may be flirtatious, yet you also maintain a certain level of caution and reserve. One day, you give of yourself fully, and the next day you are independent and seemingly not needy. You are a study in contradictions on a romantic level—you are both vulnerable and outspoken, for example.

While you are sensitive, you can also “say it like it is” and upset a sensitive partner. You are uninterested in superficial relationships. You require a certain amount of depth, yet you are not always willing to open up. Although you are very romantic, you are also prone to fighting your emotions in an attempt to keep love at bay. This never completely works, however! Your passions are strong and sometimes extreme.

posted February 26, 2024 12:55 PM            

My pluto was conjunct his venus. My pluto also squared his mars. But I have no strong aspects to my natal pluto, so let me elaborate on why this was destined to fail lol.

Our sexual chemistry was off the charts, which was the reason we started talking in the first place. We met on a dating app and as soon as I saw him...I knew I wanted him. Vice versa. But with sex comes power, and with pluto comes power struggles.

He was cap sun, aries moon, taurus rising at 0 degrees. He had natal pluto conj. venus across the 7/8H and natal pluto square mars. When I say he made me feel unsafe just by a simple one-word text...I mean it. He would snap out of nowhere and make me think I was crazy. He started threatening me when I missed a phone call and told me I was a b*tch when he misunderstood a joke (I have a sagittarius stellium, sarcasm is my "thing"). Then he'd message me a long paragraph over text apologizing. One time he even said something along the lines of "you're so lucky you're not home with me or I'd [insert nonconsensual sexual act here]". He was being serious, I think.

Never have I ever had a man get so angry and say awful things to me when I was just being myself. I had to realize he was draining me of my energy after one night where I was paranoid because I missed his facetime only to find that he blocked me right after. Once he unblocked me and apologized again, I knew this was way too much. I blocked him everywhere and I feel so liberated now.

posted February 26, 2024 02:12 PM            

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Originally posted by ScorpioMango:
I just released myself from a 3-week Plutonic situationship (though we only texted and facetimed as he "was too busy"). I had to block this person because I was ignoring major red flags.

My pluto was conjunct his venus. My pluto also squared his mars. But I have no strong aspects to my natal pluto, so let me elaborate on why this was destined to fail lol.

Our sexual chemistry was off the charts, which was the reason we started talking in the first place. We met on a dating app and as soon as I saw him...I knew I wanted him. Vice versa. But with sex comes power, and with pluto comes power struggles.

He was cap sun, aries moon, taurus rising at 0 degrees. He had natal pluto conj. venus across the 7/8H and natal pluto square mars. When I say he made me feel unsafe just by a simple one-word text...I mean it. He would snap out of nowhere and make me think I was crazy. He started threatening me when I missed a phone call and told me I was a b*tch when he misunderstood a joke (I have a sagittarius stellium, sarcasm is my "thing"). Then he'd message me a long paragraph over text apologizing. One time he even said something along the lines of "you're so lucky you're not home with me or I'd [insert nonconsensual sexual act here]". He was being serious, I think.

Never have I ever had a man get so angry and say awful things to me when I was just being myself. I had to realize he was draining me of my energy after one night where I was paranoid because I missed his facetime only to find that he blocked me right after. Once he unblocked me and apologized again, I knew this was way too much. I blocked him everywhere and I feel so liberated now.

Again, this was just a 3 week interaction and we never even met.

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