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PlutoIsMyTeacher13
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posted February 20, 2024 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoIsMyTeacher13     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His Mercury trine my Pluto and my Mercury conjunct his! So far it’s been really great! We talk about how we feel with so much honesty and compassion for each other but we also have many loving and nurturing aspects.

We’ve also got my Venus sextile his Pluto and his Saturn square my Pluto

I’m having to be humble and deal with a lot of controlling tendencies rooted in trauma. It helps that he is a super laid back Taurus sun and Pisces Mars. I just tell him when I notice I’ve been a jerk (attempted to control him)

So far, so good but will it turn ugly?

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posted February 20, 2024 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AquaMoon323     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PlutoIsMyTeacher13:
His Mercury trine my Pluto and my Mercury conjunct his! So far it’s been really great! We talk about how we feel with so much honesty and compassion for each other but we also have many loving and nurturing aspects.

We’ve also got my Venus sextile his Pluto and his Saturn square my Pluto

I’m having to be humble and deal with a lot of controlling tendencies rooted in trauma. It helps that he is a super laid back Taurus sun and Pisces Mars. I just tell him when I notice I’ve been a jerk (attempted to control him)

So far, so good but will it turn ugly?


I’m no expert just speaking from my experiences as I’ve been learning. But just my opinion I think that seems like a pretty manageable Pluto aspects. They are are easy aspects on you personal planets and Venus sextile pluto I think is a good one to have. What are the orbs? And do you have any major Pluto aspects in you guys composite? I’m my experience because I am a fixed sign from the Scorpio pluto generation I can have elements of Pluto with must people eso since I have that energy natally but the relationships I think I’ve had the most intense pluto themed relationships were ones that had significant Venus/pluto in our composite other than that for me I feel it’s just my normal level of Pluto behavior lol which I think with maturity and good communication can be managed

And I am also a Taurus sun with Mars in Pisces lol what is his moon and Venus out of curiosity?

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posted February 21, 2024 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoIsMyTeacher13     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you! That’s interesting you have Taurus sun and Mars in Pisces too. I find that Mars placement v interesting! Watery like mine but also quite different from my direct Scorpio Mars approach. Though my Virgo Sun holds me back some.

We’ve got quite a few Pluto aspects in our composite!:

Pluto square Mars, Venus and Sun! Also Pluto sextile mercury. We’ve got a Venus /Sun conjunction in the 12th house and also Sun conjunct ASC. Jupiter also at the other end of the 12th.

He’s got Pluto square Saturn and Venus and Pluto opposition Mars and Jupiter. I have Mars and Moon in Scorpio. So we both have a fair bit of Plutonian energy in our charts.

So he is a Leo moon and Cancer Venus and Leo Asc. I’m a Leo Venus and Leo Asc. Actually our ascendants conjunct by less than a degree and our MC are also conjunct by a degree, so all of our angles are tightly conjunct and our Vertex conjunct too, obviously. It’s a very interesting synastry and composite, to say the least!

There are several double whammy’s all focused around harmony, love, nurturing, communication and healing deep wounds in synastry.

My north node is close to his moon in Leo and I have already moved closer to my souls purpose just by being with him for a few months! So can really feel it. His north node is in Sag in the 5th house (my 5th house too)

Feels karmic as we have both just started a Pluto transit of the 7th house in Aqua. It’s pretty new but we’ve known each other for about 9 years (through friends)

What is your Moon, Asc and Venus?

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posted February 21, 2024 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoIsMyTeacher13     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And yes, I agree with you. I think we are here to learn good communication. Also authentic self expression (for me!)

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posted February 21, 2024 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoIsMyTeacher13     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, and Pluto sextile Neptune in composite which I’ve only just noticed!

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posted February 23, 2024 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AquaMoon323     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That a lot of Venus Pluto aspects sounds very intense! Lol I’m curious to know how this works out given the fact that you have matured and grown so please update us as you guys continue to date because I’m rly starting to think there’s no hope for me with this Pluto and Saturn curse I have with my whole generation 😩😂😂

And yes Mars in Pisces is definitely interesting to have especially with a Aries Venus 😩😂😂 but I am a Taurus sun Aqua Moon Aries Venus Mars Pisces and Cap Rising

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posted February 24, 2024 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoIsMyTeacher13     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ha! Yeah…. That being said, the majority of the Pluto aspects that are squares, have quite wide orbs (the Venus and Sun are 9 and 10 degrees respectively)The two tightest orbs are the Pluto sextile Mercury and Neptune (2 and 1 degree) Pluto square Mars is 5 degrees.

I’ll let you know! Currently everything is super great! I find myself feeling very loving and accepting of him and really just wanting the best for him. I hate to say it but I haven’t felt that way before but it’s possible that the change is in me and that is why I let him in.

Wow Venus Aries and Mars Pisces! What a combo..! Phew 😆🥴. So you’ve got your Venus and Mars in a square like me (Venus Leo, Mars Scorpio). It makes staying in a relationship quite difficult because we are likely not going to get exactly what we want. I’ve struggled with this too, then blamed it on my partner. Important to realise that the struggle is within and although relationship can be v important (especially for me, Venus in the first house conjunct Asc) realise never going to get all our needs met within it. No matter how good it is!

Would love to know how your Mars and Venus play off each other! I know anger can be an issue for both Aries (inappropriate expression) and Pisces (suppression). How do you find the two relate for you?

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posted February 24, 2024 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AquaMoon323     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh ok yes the wide orb might help and like you said the self work that you’ve done! 😬 best of luck with your relationship the guy I’m dealing with now is also a Leo Sun with Venus Square Mars (Gemini/Virgo) so that’s funny!! Lol
He has a lot of mauturing to do and has moon opp Mercury so his verbal expression is rly lacking as well it’s a real mess 😂

And Pisces and Aries don’t square they are side by side signs but it is a very difficult mix. I can relate to that feeling of not getting everything and for me it’s because my desires are so conflicting it would be hard for 1 person to have each polarizing personalities. I tend to find that the people I am drawn to emotionally aren’t exciting enough for me.

My Mars in Pisces makes me very empathic, sweet, tempermental,hate conflict, self sacrificing, emotional etc and my Venus in Aries is very direct blunt aggressive impatient selfish adventure seeking love tension and conflict it’s like a turn on 😂 etc so yea hard to find one guy that can do both! And that’s probably why the leo with Venus square Mars has been by longest standing “situationship” because he’s just as unstable and have internal conflict like I do. Lol I tend to embody both a very loving sensitive lover as well as a very passionate, pleasure seeking, adventure loving argumentative lover I just swing from one to the other often so you never rly know what you’re going to get which for someone that can get bored easily I’m sure is somewhat comforting for them 😂 I am alot of things but boring definitely isn’t one of them!! 😂😂 he tends to have some polarizing qualities as well which is why I am drawn to him also! He’s very physically affectionate which the Taurus and Pisces in me love and he’s very playful has great banter and sarcasm which my Venus in Aries loves a lot because I can be very playful, child like and have masculine interests (I love video games, gun ranges, cars, poker, sports etc) so I enjoy masculine energy. But he is also very aloof and emotionally reserved which my Venus in Aries also likes because as frustrating as it can be it does create a challenge which the Aries in me loves and needs to an extent. I love the softness and loving aspect but my Aries energy can find it at times very boring if there’s no edge and I can take them for granted if it too easy. I tend to discover my feelings for someone through conflict. Only when I feel like I am losing you or can’t have you do I know how much I actually want you. Toxic I know lol

And he has been very great at handling my Aries outburst because they do happen often these days 😂 and then I often will start to feel bad (mars pisces) and want to shower them with love 😂 it’s alot like having a split personality honestly. Getting older I’ve gotten better at understanding it and how it does affect me and what I am attracted to and I also have Venus square Uranus so traditional relationships aren’t rly my thing anyway paired with my aqua moon which naturally makes me a bit of a free spirit and a rebel. I am truly a bundle of contradiction which makes for the people that date me a quite intoxicating exciting ride but one you are also very aware of how abruptly the ride can end which makes it difficult for a man to feel emotionally safe with me lol

I have a saying that I think sums me up well..”I’m too good for the bad guys and too bad for the good ones” 🤷‍♀️😂

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posted February 25, 2024 04:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoIsMyTeacher13     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It’s really interesting to hear all that. Particularly to see that although you’ve got all that going on you’ve got awareness of it, which is sooo important. My ex was a Venus in Aries and I found his selfish, aggressive and arrogant behaviour really challenging. To be honest, we just weren’t compatible. I don’t think I ever really liked him. I was very attracted to him, my Venus in Leo in the first house loved his Venus in Aries in the first house as I felt very verbally appreciated to begin with. Turns out we had a Mars Saturn Square in composite too and that, along with his narcissistic character traits made for a highly toxic relationship. The biggest issue was he lacked self awareness and wouldn’t take responsibility for his actions.

Ah, yes, your Mars and Venus aren’t square and actually when they are signs beside one another I think that can almost be even more difficult to deal with.

I can relate to many of your stuggles. Wanting stability and excitement at the same time. My partner is very stable and to begin with I found that slightly boring, and I was worried. At first, he seemed to lack passion because of his Mars and Venus in both watery, non-direct signs (Cancer and Pisces) but the more I get to know him the more I realise that there is a or of passion there but it takes a bit of patience, investigation and skill to bring it out. Having both moon and Mars in Scorpio I love the mystery and challenge! It’s lucky, as well, that we have a few v dynamic aspects otherwise we would have fizzled already.

He’s also Venus conjunct Saturn in the 12th house (also my 12th house) so that is also contributing to the slightly careful /mysterious nature that I so love to crack open! I really am my own worst enemy (insert rolling eyes emoji!)

Have you looked at his north node yet? I found that really helpful to understand what his purpose is and what is most important to him.

What is your composite like?

Which generation are you btw? You mentioned something to do with a Pluto Saturn curse (which sounds challenging!)

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posted February 25, 2024 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AquaMoon323     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes it took a lot of growth & repetitive behavior to learn and honestly astrology was rly the catalyst in me understanding myself more. Being a Taurus sun and only knowing that I never fully related to how a typical “Taurus” loves and it wasn’t until I first learned about the birth chart and first read about venus in Aries I felt like I had a moment of being truly understood and even now as I continue to learn about myself that insight helps the self awareness which I can then identify how to better manage myself.

And I’m happy to hear you are finding fulfillment in one person given your complex desires as well. I hope to experience that. I call it peaceful passion 😂 I feel like I got a small taste of it in my previous Pluto relationship before things got crazy and it felt good but it was also extremely short lived so I still question how long me having a peaceful passion can last lol.

I used to think my issue was with being committed to one person but I think I could be with one person I just think it would be hard for one person to keep me interested forever!! I do require alot of stimulation but we’ll see. I also love the idea of loving someone but still being free which has been a rly hard balance to come by which I think is one of the main reasons I still deal with this Leo he’s a lot like me in a lot of ways but his lack of verbal expression I’m trying to compromise trying being the key word lol and this is a recent decision. He has been so accepting of me it makes me want to be accepting of him as well and I think maybe that’s what he’s here to teach me. How to be patient and how to compromise. And just fyi when I say relationships we aren’t in an exclusive relationship we are basically in a “situationship” lol which I’ve never been in an actual exclusive relationship before I’m not a huge fan of titles and restrictions lol

Our relationship as well as personalities are very Pluto & Saturn dominate so it makes for a very interesting mix. I will post a link to our charts. I know we have Venus opp Pluto in composite which is a mess 😂 but I’m not looking for marriage type of compatibility. I’m not trying to marry him no anyone for that matter lol right now I’m just focused on having fun with him while I continue to grow and understand myself better. And he and I have a chemistry that is rly hard to shake and I am intoxicated by it! That Mars in the 8th house combined with all the other stuff we have going it is just rly hot lol

And yes I’ve recently realized this curse lol…I am of the cap Uranus/ Saturn and Scorpio Pluto generation which basically means I have alot of personal planets that touch my entire generation so rly I think I need to just be a cougar and date at least 5 years younger than me lol
My Cap asc basically conjuncts Uranus and netptune also my venus squares Neptune and Uranus which Venus Square Uranus is like a kiss of death to relationships 😂 I am also a fixed sun, Mercury and moon which makes me either sun/mercury opposite Pluto or moon square Pluto and my Lilith is in Scorpio which conjuncts Pluto so all that contact ranging on the degree with my whole generation so yea it’s a lot lol I also have a water Mars which trines the Scorpio Pluto

He’s north node is sag mine is aqua

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posted February 25, 2024 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AquaMoon323     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Edit: I tried to put the link but I’ll have to find mother way later that one didn’t work

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