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Starfuncks711
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posted May 04, 2025 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Starfuncks711     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm at a loss. I am having difficulty at letting this one go (I'm Person A). We officially ended 4 months ago. Still speaking, and seemed it was headed in a positive direction but I'm facing reality today. Can someone please help me understand what dynamics are at play?
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posted May 04, 2025 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Starfuncks711     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you! I was stupefied. What's the trick to have the image displayed inline?

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posted May 05, 2025 06:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Starfuncks711     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted May 05, 2025 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What do you mean you are the A person? Are you the Sun in Cancer person?

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posted May 05, 2025 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The synastry has Neptune opposite Mars. Was there cheating involved?

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posted May 05, 2025 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Starfuncks711     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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What do you mean you are the A person? Are you the Sun in Cancer person?

Hi! Thanks for responding. We are both Sun in Cancer. (oh boy!) I am the 8th 11 one. (Left hand side column)Conjunct with his with his within 2.5 degrees.

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posted May 05, 2025 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Starfuncks711     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage2:
The synastry has Neptune opposite Mars. Was there cheating involved?

Hi. Not exactly, but I could be incredibly naive. I wrote this on another post with regards to saturn square sun. (Not what you asked, but just to contextualize):

New here, and just posted my first topic. Spreading the love with a reply!
Let me fumble my way through my answer - I'm not just new HERE, I'm new to "advanced" astrology:

I am Saturn (3°31 Libra) square Sun (5°40 Cancer). I understand this is karmic (?). I feel inexplicably drawn to him. We are great when there are no expectations. Basic needs of mine (seeing each other) get twisted into his perception that I am insecure. Any reaction I have towards expecting, uh, ya know, to share experiences with my man is relabeled as insecure/needy/demanding. Ironically, we are LDR; and that is my preference. I don't know many needy/insecures that are comfortable with that. So he amplifies all the stereotypes that come with a woman being "demanding". He criticizes his mother heavily, but yet feels obligated and duty bound to her. I feel he continues this quiet resignation to the irascible woman in his romantic life. (somewhat acting a martyr) He says relationships are the most important thing to him, but prioritizes others over cultivating ours. (We are separated anyhow).He is nearly 50, lifelong bachelor, and seemingly comfortable with that.Ironically, he is incredibly kind and loving - when he wants to be. However, I read somewhere that Sun square Moon (in his natal) can be an indicator of narcissism. Hope this was insightful.

While I am unaware of actual sexual infidelity with another woman and don't THINK that's on his playlist; he was actively organizing a life excluding me, but expecting a great deal of depth and intimacy. (not just sexual, mostly emotional) The way I describe it is that he would throw me bones, and get discouraged if I didn't wag my tail hard enough - and use it as reasons to justify his already "chosen" distance. I am happy to give more detail and really appreciate any further insights you may have.

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posted May 05, 2025 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok.

You might have met this person at work since you have so many planets in your 6th house. And again, there might have been some cheating involved in the way you 2 got together, or in the way it ended, as there are unfavorable Mars Neptune aspects both natally and in synastry.

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posted May 05, 2025 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Starfuncks711     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage2:
Ok.

You might have met this person at work since you have so many planets in your 6th house. And again, there might have been some cheating involved in the way you 2 got together, or in the way it ended, as there are unfavorable Mars Neptune aspects both natally and in synastry.


Hi! Thanks again. We didn't meet at work; but work is a big theme between us (especially me. Cap rising) Hm. To my knowledge there was no cheating, but again - could be. Or, not sexual cheating, but the prioritization of others could potentially be the culprit.

Can you opine on why I'm stuck on him? Can you also give me your best/worst case scenario for reconciliation and/or longevity? I feel we reached a turning point this weekend. Rather, I did.

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posted May 06, 2025 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not sure why you are stuck on him.

I do see that your ruling planet, Saturn, is natally conjunct Jupiter in Libra, and this uneasy conjunction is sitting on top of the guy's North Node which also happenss to conjunct his ascendant. Also his PLuto trines your moon. Could these explain the obsession?

Saturn wants longevity and commitment, and Saturn on someone's Node may work for something long term to happen. So it is possible, most definitely... Especially since you also have Jupiter on his Node and all of action sits on his ascendant... Fate (North Node) and Saturn (Karma) and Jupiter (luck) might put you back together.

ETA: Edited 3 times to reflect evolving thoughts...

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posted May 06, 2025 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The other thing I see is that:

-- you have Venus conjunct North Node.
--And the ruling planet of his NN and ascendant is Venus.

It looks like there could be similarities or understanding of Venusian pursuits between you.

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posted May 06, 2025 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Starfuncks711     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage2:
Not sure why you are stuck on him.

I do see that your ruling planet, Saturn, is natally conjunct Jupiter in Libra, and this uneasy conjunction is sitting on top of the guy's North Node which also happenss to conjunct his ascendant. Also his PLuto trines your moon. Could these explain the obsession?

Saturn wants longevity and commitment, and Saturn on someone's Node may work for something long term to happen. So it is possible, most definitely... Especially since you also have Jupiter on his Node and all of action sits on his ascendant... Fate (North Node) and Saturn (Karma) and Jupiter (luck) might put you back together.

ETA: Edited 3 times to reflect evolving thoughts...


Hi Belage! Love this. Exactly the type of feedback I've been trying to extrapolate myself, but as a neophyte - getting lost in it. I think all of it explains my almost addictive pull. I wonder - how does it affect him though? We are still in contact (not physically) and most days, it's like nothing ever ended. Except when we try to talk about why it did. Then it's gridlocked again. He consistently shuts it down by saying we won't agree. Either way, I'm more interested in moving forward - but with him.

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posted May 07, 2025 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Starfuncks711     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage2:
The other thing I see is that:

-- you have Venus conjunct North Node.
--And the ruling planet of his NN and ascendant is Venus.

It looks like there could be similarities or understanding of Venusian pursuits between you.


We also both have Venus in Leo in our natals. And both have Cancer Sun. The intimacy is like none other (for me, at least). What does Venusian pursuits mean?

I will research all of the points you've brought up. Can't tell you how grateful I am!

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posted May 07, 2025 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are welcome, Starfuncks711! If you hang around here and participate, you will get better at astrology!

Just so you know, if something is fated to happen, there is no telling WHEN it will happen, so if I were you, I would not put my life on hold. Sometimes, people reconnect as lovers after years apart. So, don't wait out for him, move on with your life!

A couple of things happen when you stop obsessing about someone and move on:
1) Psychically and/or energetically, you stop being the chaser, and you leave room for them to actually chase you.
2) You actually become more attractive. Obsession is a repellent, and reeks of desperation and neediness.

There is an ongoing transit of Neptune in Aries, and then Saturn in Aries that is going to oppose your Saturn/Jupiter conjunction on his North Node and ascendant. So this important stellium aspect may be derailled and delayed during the time these slow moving planets are going over the 1 degree of Aries. And yes there is also an upcoming Uranus in Gemini that is going to trine it, and it might unexpectedly rekindle things, but with Uranus, you never know how it will manifest.

Again I stress, don't put your life, heart and emotions on hold waiting for this to happen.

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posted May 07, 2025 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Starfuncks711     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You are welcome, Starfuncks711! If you hang around here and participate, you will get better at astrology!

Just so you know, if something is fated to happen, there is no telling WHEN it will happen, so if I were you, I would not put my life on hold. Sometimes, people reconnect as lovers after years apart. So, don't wait out for him, move on with your life!

A couple of things happen when you stop obsessing about someone and move on:
1) Psychically and/or energetically, you stop being the chaser, and you leave room for them to actually chase you.
2) You actually become more attractive. Obsession is a repellent, and reeks of desperation and neediness.

There is an ongoing transit of Neptune in Aries, and then Saturn in Aries that is going to oppose your Saturn/Jupiter conjunction on his North Node and ascendant. So this important stellium aspect may be derailled and delayed during the time these slow moving planets are going over the 1 degree of Aries. And yes there is also an upcoming Uranus in Gemini that is going to trine it, and it might unexpectedly rekindle things, but with Uranus, you never know how it will manifest.

Again I stress, don't put your life, heart and emotions on hold waiting for this to happen.



Hey there! Thanks again. I personally feel the obsession is rather equivalent. That being said, I've always been more of the pursuer. I justify this as my Gemini moon charisma Haha.

What are the effects of this important stellium that you mention? And the trine?

Do you know what the date ranges are?

I don't doubt that a reconciliation could be in the cards, stars, and just in general - practically speaking. For me, more of it is - would it be worth it ? I know it's hard to tell and your advice is spot on and salient - but this relationship has really had an element of "out of body" experience at times.

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posted May 07, 2025 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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What are the effects of this important stellium that you mention? And the trine?

There are tons of free information out there on different sites so you might want to Google:

-Transit Neptune oppose natal Saturn
-Transit Neptune oppose natal Jupiter
-Transit Saturn oppose natal Saturn
-Transit Saturn oppose natal Jupiter
-Transit Uranus trine natal Jupiter
-Transit Uranus trine natal Saturn


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Do you know what the date ranges are?

Saturn, Neptune and Uranus are slow moving planets, so when they are aspecting our natal planets by transits, the effects are usually felt for a couple of years.

It is good to be able to read an ephemeris to find transits. An ephemeris will show you where the stars/planets are located at a particular time.

This 2025 ephemeris https://www.astro.com/swisseph/ae/2000/ae_2025.pdf will show you that Neptune will be going back and forth on 1 degree of Aries, while Saturn will get to that particular degree and stay there in June, July and August, then go back to Pisces, and will return to that degree in 2026.

Normally, you will feel the effect of a planet as it is approaching the exact degree, as it hits the degree and also as it is separating. Some astrologers give it a range/orb of influence of 5 degrees before and after. So yeah, it will be a couple of years before this is all over.

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posted May 09, 2025 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Starfuncks711     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage2:
Saturn, Neptune and Uranus are slow moving planets, so when they are aspecting our natal planets by transits, the effects are usually felt for a couple of years.

It is good to be able to read an ephemeris to find transits. An ephemeris will show you where the stars/planets are located at a particular time.

This 2025 ephemeris https://www.astro.com/swisseph/ae/2000/ae_2025.pdf will show you that Neptune will be going back and forth on 1 degree of Aries, while Saturn will get to that particular degree and stay there in June, July and August, then go back to Pisces, and will return to that degree in 2026.

Normally, you will feel the effect of a planet as it is approaching the exact degree, as it hits the degree and also as it is separating. Some astrologers give it a range/orb of influence of 5 degrees before and after. So yeah, it will be a couple of years before this is all over.


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posted May 16, 2025 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Starfuncks711     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well ….this week all I want to do is block him. - mainly because he did the thing that broke us up. (Long story). I think it might help with the obsession and general neuroticism. I’m sitting with it to make

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oops … posted message before I was done. I want to make sure I don’t regret it. Once and if I do it, as impulsive as it may seem …it will have been calculated and it’s done, done. He’s not the type to fight for anything/anyone. And if I do it, it won’t be to solicit a response from him, rather - to close the energetic footprint. I do want to give astrologya shot though - things are supposed to improve in June. Our birthdays are 2 days apart. That’s my deadline.

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posted May 21, 2025 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Starfuncks711     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Belage: What do you make of the composite aspect?

We have a Cancer stellium (Mars, Mercury, Sun) in the composite 8th house.

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posted May 21, 2025 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To be honest, I am not very good at interpretation of composites. What I have seen is that composites tend to confirm what the synastry shows, not contradict it.

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