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LeeLoo2014
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posted June 09, 2014 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The guy is in full "midlife crisis" (Uranus opp) and says he "fell in love" with a work colleague. He moved out. They have a 19 year old son and she is in love with her husband like a teenager.

They've had a a wonderful relationship all these years and this situation came as a full blown shock.

She asked if they will be a couple again and love each other the way they did.


Thank you so much for your help!

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Cuteleo85
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posted June 09, 2014 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cuteleo85     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can't really read this chart due to the AC at 29 scorpio. I could be wrong, though. I'm sure someone else more experineced will give you their opinion as well.

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Bluejay
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posted June 09, 2014 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bluejay     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not very experienced, but I do know that a chart with a late ascendent can be used if it conjuncts a planet or angle in the querent's natal chart. Also if it's their age, which is not the case here. Otherwise, the late ascendent means the outcome has been determined and it's too late to change it.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted June 09, 2014 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks both of you. I wouldn't give up this chart, it's his exact ASC. So, no coincidence here.

Anyone experienced in horary, please?

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Leoeve
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posted June 09, 2014 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leoeve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm no expert but besides the late ascendant, Moon is also in via combusta...

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LeeLoo2014
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posted June 09, 2014 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is true about the Moon, but the person suddenly felt like asking today, and as it happens, this chart's ASC is conjunct the guy's ASC by 2 minutes!

I hope somebody can read this for me.

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posted June 10, 2014 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LoadedPistil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Leoeve:
I'm no expert but besides the late ascendant, Moon is also in via combusta...

Womp, there it is!

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LeeLoo2014
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posted June 10, 2014 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LoadedPistil:
Womp, there it is!


So...it's unreadable? better try another time?

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LoadedPistil
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posted June 10, 2014 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LoadedPistil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
So...it's unreadable? better try another time?

It's not unreadable. The answer is "no".

He still sees her as his wife, but that wasn't the question.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted June 10, 2014 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see. Thank you. Is it because of the Moon alone or everything points to that?

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posted June 10, 2014 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LoadedPistil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No applying aspect, she's receiving him by ruler, but he's receiving himself by ruler in his 12th. No significator is retrograde.
Part of fortune is in her fourth and she's in his fourth. He still sees her home as his home. He may move back, but not without his secrets.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted June 11, 2014 06:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, LoadedPistil

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LeeLoo2014
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posted October 18, 2014 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can someone explain me more about this chart? at least for learning purposes?

For example, can someone see the feelings between him and the other woman and if their relationship will last? Or anything else you see in the chart?

The situation is still pending.

Thank you!

The chart's ASC is his exact ASC, so I believe this chart is probably very revealing, despite the stricture.

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Dancing Maenad
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posted October 18, 2014 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not sure how much you can extract from this chart, LeeLoo.. there are two, not one, strictures against judgment here, which means we could very easily interpret the chart wrong, say if we select the wrong significators. I have no idea who the other woman is - she could be Sun, could be Moon in his 5th, could be Saturn because she's in his 6th and you said she was a coworker. I could choose any of those and naturally arrive at different, possibly wrong conclusions. I would disregard this chart and ask again, if the situation is still pending. Via Combusta shows up when things are much deeper than the querent knows, there are details she has no idea about that can change the outcome. It is generally considered a volatile placement for the Moon, unreliable and unpredictable.

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LeeLoo2014
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posted October 20, 2014 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, you are right, I couldn't give up his ASC, but it looks like a pretty invalid chart.

I had a dream suggesting divorce is imminent, despite an intermediary reconciliation. I have been trying to help her coping with the situation for almost a year. I asked the question by myself now, for myself (last time I told her the "verdict" it was a very bad reaction, she's very superstitious).
I asked the question: "Will they divorce?" also keeping in mind a description of the next stages/what is happening between him and the other woman. The other woman is a former co worker. Now they live together.

She is my cousin.

BTW, I'm wondering, as a general question, and I did this for the other horary as well: is it legitimate to consider the 7th house if two people don't live together anymore as a couple (even if they did at some time)? Shouldn't we consider the 7th house the one someone actually lives with, as a couple? (in this case, he is in a couple with the other woman) One of the technical problems that comes up when choosing the 7th is that the querent always falls in the quesited's 7th house, despite the quesited living with someone else.

Thank you for your help!

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Dancing Maenad
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posted October 20, 2014 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think they will divorce, LeeLoo. I am sorry.


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is it legitimate to consider the 7th house if two people don't live together anymore as a couple (even if they did at some time)? Shouldn't we consider the 7th house the one someone actually lives with, as a couple? (in this case, he is in a couple with the other woman) One of the technical problems that comes up when choosing the 7th is that the querent always falls in the quesited's 7th house, despite the quesited living with someone else.

As a general rule, I do choose the 7th house ruler, but not in all situations and I didn't for this chart (I told you my reading style is a little unconventional). They are still legally married, so it doesn't matter where he lives or who he lives with - for her, he is her husband and should be represented by her 7H ruler. I do this for people who are not married too, I go by what the querent wants from the quesited. If querent wants a relationship, I go with 7th house; if a fling - 5th house; if just sex - 8th house. Most of the questions asked are 7H matters. People want real love and I can't blame them, it's the most awesome feeling in the world.

Since you asked, you will be Jupiter. She is your cousin, so she is the ruler of the 3rd house - Mercury. Her derivative 7th house is the 9th, ruled by Jupiter (but I already assigned Jupiter to you so I will need another one); the house is empty so I can't take any significators for him out of there either. I thought of going with her 5th house - that is the 7th house, ruled by Mercury (which is a no-no) but who contains Moon, Mercury, Sun and Venus. I am going to take Sun for him and Venus for her, because they are together in his house, conjunct, suggesting a couple. Mercury is separating from them, in grief, and turns to sextile you for moral support. He seems clearly into her, being ruled by her. The fact that Mercury is Rx it's like she turned her back on them, she wants to dissociate herself from the source of her pain. She is conjunct NN, which means she is at a cross-road in her life, the events happening now will affect the rest of her life. I will leave Moon to represent the situation and how it will progress. Moon's last aspect is a square to Mars.. and to me that could mean the divorce. Mars rules her derivative 6th and his 2nd.. it could be a division of goods.. but it seems like an argument, a fight, a rupture to me. It is confusing because before that square Moon sextiles Saturn, which will bring a little calmness and stability to the situation.. but in my opinion, in the end they will separate.

I hope I am wrong about this. Maybe someone else has another idea about significators.. Regardless of that though, that last aspects Moon makes is going to be the outcome.. and it's not good.

Much strength to both of you!

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LeeLoo2014
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posted October 20, 2014 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I thought so

Thank you so much, DM

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