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MiaPluto
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posted September 11, 2014 07:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MiaPluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a guy, who has a girlfriend. He shows a lot of love and affection to her in public and always tweets her. She is a model.

He seemed to be very proud of her. And so I was just wondering if he considered her a 'trophy girlfriend', someone to show off, feeling more powerful with her. Because that's what I always felt too.

Then I generated the horary chart to find the answer.

I was so shocked because it was accurate as hell.

He is the 7th house, ruled by Jupiter, she is his 7th house, meaning the 1st house which is ruled by Mercury.

Jupiter and Mercury are making an exact sextile. It confirms that they are together (connected).

Her ruler is in his turned 8th house in Libra.

Libra is beauty. 8th house is power. It indeed confirms her beauty is power for him.

His ruler (Jupiter at the cusp of his turned 6th house in Leo). He is proud because of that, so that he can show off to his co-workers, general people in daily life about his girlfriend.

Conjunct the descendant, is also Chiron. It means he is in some kind of pain.

His girlfriend does not show as much enthusiasm to him for his affections as much as he does. That must be it.

These kinds of horary answers sometimes amaze me with accuracy. These are the reasons I believe so much in astrology.

Also, if you think my reading is wrong somewhere, or if there is something additional to note, let me know.

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filleaspirant
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posted September 11, 2014 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unrelated to your post, but I think this will be more helpful than a horary analysis...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity_worship_syndrome

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MiaPluto
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posted September 11, 2014 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MiaPluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
Unrelated to your post, but I think this will be more helpful than a horary analysis...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity_worship_syndrome


It's not about my celebrity crush. It's just to show how accurate astrology is. And I already read that article on wikipepdia. I know I have it. :C

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posted September 11, 2014 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
It's not about my celebrity crush. It's just to show how accurate astrology is. And I already read that article on wikipepdia. I know I have it. :C


Can you get help for it? I read somewhere that you have social anxiety, and I think this whole obsession with the guy (and I know the tweets you were commenting on were his) is how you try to deal with it. We all go through some kind psychological issue (depression, obsession, anxiety, you name it) but there's nothing wrong with seeking help for it. It doesn't make us crazy and it helps us learn how to cope with our feelings, without having to resort to outside "solutions" (sometimes, some people will require those but, again, nothing wrong with it).

Please know that I'm speaking out of concern for you.

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posted September 11, 2014 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MiaPluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
Can you get help for it? I read somewhere that you have social anxiety, and I think this whole obsession with the guy (and I know the tweets you were commenting on were his) is how you try to deal with it. We all go through some kind psychological issue (depression, obsession, anxiety, you name it) but there's nothing wrong with seeking help for it. It doesn't make us crazy and it helps us learn how to cope with our feelings, without having to resort to outside "solutions" (sometimes, some people will require those but, again, nothing wrong with it).

Please know that I'm speaking out of concern for you.


I will. I feel embarrassed talking about my celebrity obsession with anyone except online since it's anonymous and people are more understanding.

But since I am starting school soon I think I will be able to keep my mind off him and eventually forget him.

Also, we have so many pluto aspects in synastry. Nevertheless I will try. I am sorry if I keep asking stuff regarding him here. xx

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posted September 11, 2014 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
I will. I feel embarrassed talking about my celebrity obsession with anyone except online since it's anonymous and people are more understanding.

But since I am starting school soon I think I will be able to keep my mind off him and eventually forget him.

Also, we have so many pluto aspects in synastry. Nevertheless I will try. I am sorry if I keep asking stuff regarding him here. xx


Nah, don't be sorry! No place for embarrassment here. We've all been through this once or twice. You just need to figure out how to flush him out of your system.

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posted September 14, 2014 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MiaPluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can anyone who's good in horary check if I read the chart correctly? I'm not even telling you to read it but just give your opinion omg. xx

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posted September 14, 2014 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wouldn't have used the significators you did, because I wouldn't have given him the 7th house, but the 5th. I would do this because 1) he's your crush/love interest, not your partner or foe; and 2) he's an actor, and arts are naturally ruled by the 5th. His girlfriend would be his 7th, your 11th, because she is considered his partner in a committed relationship. And I would take it from there.

He'd be Saturn in his 11th and her 5th. She'd be Moon in his 4th and her 10th. He's focused on pursuing his aspirations, goals and good fortune, while he is definitely a love interest to her. She's home to him, so someone he can turn to, while she's focused in her own career and success.

Your question was if he considered her a 'trophy girlfriend'. Considering that there is no major aspect between them, I would read this as a no.

This is how I'd read this chart.

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posted September 14, 2014 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a little confused for this chart, I am not sure this is appropriate if you want to analyze the subject of a relationship. You should look at their First Meeting or Composite to get more concise answers.

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The Ascendant is conjunct Venus, it's lord is in Libra.. mutual reception, in the 2nd house of values and sensuality, opposite Uranus, Moon, trine Jupiter, and square Pluto shows that he has a fixation on her, a bit of an obsession because he considers her unique and "exotic" to him somehow.. this intrigues his mind and makes him want to dig for more, he is really interested in her, though it can be smoldering and overwhelming for her at times. He thinks highly of her and considers her mentally and physically stimulating. Her lord is conjunct the Descendant, and her other lord is trine his, she opposites Venus, squares Saturn, trines Uranus.. She has a strong love and affection for him too.. I can see that.. but she is more serious and private in her emotions, she is less obsessive as he is and not as wild in her passions, she controls herself..

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posted September 14, 2014 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
fille's is probably more right than mine.

Haha, that's funny.. I just googled the girlfriend and she's exactly how I imagined her, broad face, slightly plump short nose with thin lips... why would she be a trophy girlfriend? She's average in her looks ... it shows he's not stuck up when it comes to a girls look.. he sees the beauty on the inside.. then.

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posted September 14, 2014 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Karka, are you using Neptune as her significator?

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posted September 14, 2014 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
Karka, are you using Neptune as her significator?

Yeah, I usually do with Horary charts depending on the feel of the chart. I use it with the co-ruler to make certain though.

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posted September 14, 2014 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Yeah, I usually do with Horary charts depending on the feel of the chart. I use it with the co-ruler to make certain though.

Ah. I see. It's funny because what you said is a bit similar to what I did, even though yours has more info in it (too lazy to look closely at everything). Very interesting.

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posted September 14, 2014 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
Ah. I see. It's funny because what you said is a bit similar to what I did, even though yours has more info in it (too lazy to look closely at everything). Very interesting.

Lol! its fine! yeah it did. ^^

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posted September 14, 2014 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MiaPluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you guys

But I used 7th house for him because he's not just a crush and I just though it would be risky to use 5th house for him. In traditional horary, 5th house is linked more strongly to children, pregnancy and small affairs.

Thank you again. xx

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posted September 14, 2014 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MiaPluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
fille's is probably more right than mine.

Haha, that's funny.. I just googled the girlfriend and she's exactly how I imagined her, broad face, slightly plump short nose with thin lips... why would she be a trophy girlfriend? She's average in her looks ... it shows he's not stuck up when it comes to a girls look.. he sees the beauty on the inside.. then.


Wow, you really have good intuition karka.

I didn't find her extremely attractive either I mean she's fine but since all his fans always tweet and say exaggeratedly how attractive she is I believed she was. I never trust my own opinion of what's considered beautiful because it clashes a lot with the general idea of beautiful.

The reason I thought she was his trophy gf was because he's always so proud to have her as gf, I thought he seemed a bit different than before since they were together, because before he was a bit more down to earth I think. And he always shows a lot of affection to her publicly. That's fine but he always tweets about her all the time and never says much about his fans. I just always felt like he's trying to show how cool his life is publicly. And I'm happy for him but I just felt that he's being shallow and usually when I feel something it's usually true. He's overall a nice guy idk him tho. But that's just what I felt.

Even tho no matter how much I loved someone, if for example I had a bf who I loved a lot I wouldn't need to tweet or show people about how much I love him. If I really love someone I would keep it between us and not need to let everyone know all the time. I mean you can go check his tweets and then you'll probably see what I mean. xx

I was just trying to find a confirmation of my doubts through horary and I felt that my answer was true but since you both answered very differently in your own ways it's giving me second thoughts. I will look again at the chart. xx

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posted September 14, 2014 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MiaPluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
I'm a little confused for this chart, I am not sure this is appropriate if you want to analyze the subject of a relationship. You should look at their First Meeting or Composite to get more concise answers.

(...)

The Ascendant is conjunct Venus, it's lord is in Libra.. mutual reception, in the 2nd house of values and sensuality, opposite Uranus, Moon, trine Jupiter, and square Pluto shows that he has a fixation on her, a bit of an obsession because he considers her unique and "exotic" to him somehow.. this intrigues his mind and makes him want to dig for more, he is really interested in her, though it can be smoldering and overwhelming for her at times. He thinks highly of her and considers her mentally and physically stimulating. Her lord is conjunct the Descendant, and her other lord is trine his, she opposites Venus, squares Saturn, trines Uranus.. She has a strong love and affection for him too.. I can see that.. but she is more serious and private in her emotions, she is less obsessive as he is and not as wild in her passions, she controls herself..


That's interesting and it kinda true your answer but I wonder why you should use the ascendant for him. Shouldn't it be he 7th house since the question about about him? The ascendant would be his gf since it is his turned 7th house. Maybe I'm not that good in horary and didn't see what you did there so I would appreciate if you could shed some light. C:

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posted September 14, 2014 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
That's interesting and it kinda true your answer but I wonder why you should use the ascendant for him. Shouldn't it be he 7th house since the question about about him? The ascendant would be his gf since it is his turned 7th house. Maybe I'm not that good in horary and didn't see what you did there so I would appreciate if you could shed some light. C:


I thought it would be AC because that is the focus of the question.

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posted September 14, 2014 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MiaPluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
I thought it would be AC because that is the focus of the question.

Oh I see.

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posted September 14, 2014 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MiaPluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
fille's is probably more right than mine.

Haha, that's funny.. I just googled the girlfriend and she's exactly how I imagined her, broad face, slightly plump short nose with thin lips... why would she be a trophy girlfriend? She's average in her looks ... it shows he's not stuck up when it comes to a girls look.. he sees the beauty on the inside.. then.


I remembered you also answered me one time with tarot that he's a bit shallow and looks at things more from the outside than the inside. I thought it was true and I still believe it.

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posted September 15, 2014 06:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
I remembered you also answered me one time with tarot that he's a bit shallow and looks at things more from the outside than the inside. I thought it was true and I still believe it.


He's a celebrity, to him she still has status and prestige, how many people would date a very rich but unattractive/average girl for the sake of looking higher-class or getting into those kinds of circles?

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posted September 22, 2014 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MiaPluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone else wants to try.

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