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LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 6952 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 22, 2014 04:52 PM
What if the querent's significator (the ASC ruler) makes no Ptolemaic aspects whatsoever? It just sits there loland the only aspect of this planet is an applying Quintile (1) to the DSC ruler (the quesited, for this is a love/relationship question). ------------------
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tgem Moderator Posts: 2225 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted September 22, 2014 05:16 PM
Querent's co-sig is the moon. See what the moon is doing (what kind of aspects it makes IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 6952 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 22, 2014 05:33 PM
Hi, tgem, how are you? So the unaspected condition of the significator doesn't tell anything? What about the Quintile?------------------
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LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 6952 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 22, 2014 05:39 PM
Hahaha this is pretty cool...it looks like there's a frenzy on the board about this Quintile ------------------
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tgem Moderator Posts: 2225 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted September 22, 2014 06:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: Hahaha this is pretty cool...it looks like there's a frenzy on the board about this Quintile
Hi LeeLoo! I'm doing good thx yes, we are conversing about the minor aspects in horary. I've always read that they don't count but DM says she uses them. Did you check any declinations in regards to the moon (parallel or contraparallel?) those would count as aspects too. Look for declinations between the main sigs as well. IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad Moderator Posts: 2046 From: The Harvest Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 22, 2014 06:35 PM
Tgem, Would you be interested to Mod here? You have wonderful energy and make great contributions to the forum. If yes, please post in the thread Randall made. ------------------ ~the raving one dancing in the nude~ IP: Logged |
LoadedPistil Moderator Posts: 2614 From: NJ, USA Registered: Feb 2014
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posted September 22, 2014 06:44 PM
quote: Originally posted by Dancing Maenad: Tgem, Would you be interested to Mod here? You have wonderful energy and make great contributions to the forum. If yes, please post in the thread Randall made.
She always asks the best questions in here
------------------ Tarot Readings | Etsy Leo ♌️ Sun, (2nd House), Venus (3nd House) Scorpio ♏ Moon,Mars,Saturn (5th House) Cancer ♋ Rising Svātī Nakshatra IP: Logged |
LoadedPistil Moderator Posts: 2614 From: NJ, USA Registered: Feb 2014
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posted September 22, 2014 06:49 PM
The Asc ruler not making ANY aspects is important. I don't care if the moon is exalted by degree! If the Asc ruler is a fast planet like Mercury, I'd say querant was being selfish or egotistical if it was in it's own sign or in exaltation. I'd say depressed and scared if In Detriment or fall. If strongly received by the quested, I'd say being strung along. Either way, what ever the querant wants will likely not come. ------------------ Tarot Readings | Etsy Leo ♌️ Sun, (2nd House), Venus (3nd House) Scorpio ♏ Moon,Mars,Saturn (5th House) Cancer ♋ Rising Svātī Nakshatra IP: Logged |
tgem Moderator Posts: 2225 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted September 22, 2014 07:28 PM
Wow, I am absolutely honored you would nominate me. Thank you both DM and LP for the kind words. I always try to help to the best of my knowledge...with the emphasis on "to the best of my knowledge" since I'm learning new things everyday as well I'll shoot a reply to Randall ❤ IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad Moderator Posts: 2046 From: The Harvest Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 23, 2014 05:41 AM
As long as we're breathing, we're all learning! You have the right attitude and would make an awesome Mod, I am sure of it. ------------------ ~the raving one dancing in the nude~ IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 6952 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 23, 2014 07:21 AM
Yay, tgem rules! Congratulations for your nomination! I'm not very often on this board, but I know how compassionate, ready to help and smart Tgem is, from the other boards, I fully support her nomination!Tgem, there is a parallel between Moon and Venus, both in the 1st house. Venus in Virgo (MC ruler), Mercury (querent) in Libra. It's a night chart, if that matters. LP, I thought it may be important, an unaspected sig. I was thinking about isolation, because of the situation. Well, I tried to practice on this chart myself, but I have too much to learn. Could you guys help me out? Here is the situation: the man (quesited) is very affectionate with the woman, but he told her a lie (not a very dangerous one, it was a lie meant to put him in a better light, but not hiding some nasty secret) anyway, the girl hates lies (good for her!) and their relationship is rather new. She got very upset. She is part of some meditation group, so she took the chance to go with them in some meditation program, for a breather, although they previously agreed to do something together instead of that. She isolated herself from him. He has tried to contact her, first directly, than in a more indirect manner (through an intermediary etc.) She had a dream about him and cast this chart to know how he's doing, how he is, also having in mind: should she give this man another chance? My personal guess, after seeing them together, is that they'll probably get back together, but what does the chart tell you? Thanks! ------------------
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tgem Moderator Posts: 2225 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted September 23, 2014 08:35 AM
Ok here are my thoughts. First off, ASC is early which is considered a stricture. This means it's almost too early to really know if they'll get back together or not. Moon is also in very early degrees which means a lot has to happen first before the final outcome is determined. However, some people still choose to read the chart with an early ASC so if we do that, here's what I see: she, the moon is in strong accidental dignity being in her first so this means yes, she's thinking more about herself right now. He is jupiter in his 6th, a cadent house, but is in dignity by triplicity and face. His 5th house ruler of romance is the moon which is in his 7th (accidental dignity) so he still considers her a romantic interest and partner. Although he, Jupiter is in dignity, he is in her 12th so there seems to be something she doesn't know about him or that he's not telling her. Moon is making an applying square to mars (his 3rd house sig) so I believe she will contact him, but the conversation will be a bit strained. His co-sig is actually the sun which makes an applying conjunction to venus (her 3rd house sig.) validating again that they will try to talk things out. However, jupiter makes an applying trine to Uranus and mars makes an applying square to neptune. This suggests he will do or say something completely unexpected (with mars squaring neptune, he could be deceiving her about something? Again, with him being in her 12th possibly not telling her something. ). When I saw this aspect, I also saw that venus is in his 7th. Venus can be another woman so I wonder if it's possible he could be seeing someone else since jupiter is receiving venus? Hmmmm.... I don't know. Either way she NEEDS to make it perfectly clear to him her thoughts about lying and that she will not tolerate it in a relationship. Interestingly, mars is translating light between moon and jupiter so I believe there is someone or something that will bring them back together. So that's definitely a positive sign. Again the ASC and moon is very early so the outcome isn't necessarily set. Therefore, this interpretation should be taken with a grain of salt. I suggest she wait a bit, meditate on it and ask again. Either way, there needs to be complete and total honesty and trust between them for this to have a good ending. IP: Logged |
LoadedPistil Moderator Posts: 2614 From: NJ, USA Registered: Feb 2014
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posted September 23, 2014 08:42 AM
Mars is too slow to translate light for moon. quote: jupiter makes an applying trine to Uranus and mars makes an applying square to neptune. This suggests he will do or say something completely unexpected
YESUranus is retrograde, tho, so he will seem serious in what he said, not impulsive like classic Uranus energy. That along with Neptune is a red flag for another lie. Uranus retro may give him some self control this time Did I nominate tgem already? ------------------ Tarot Readings | Etsy Leo ♌️ Sun, (2nd House), Venus (3nd House) Scorpio ♏ Moon,Mars,Saturn (5th House) Cancer ♋ Rising Svātī Nakshatra IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 6952 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 23, 2014 08:54 AM
Venus is the querent's disp (and mutual reception) and in the 1st and it can still be another woman? I wouldn't want to introduce this variable (tell her that) unless there are strong signs pointing to this. To me, with my limited knowledge, it seems that Venus is related to the querent.------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 6952 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 23, 2014 09:06 AM
And Moon appl to Mars, her 9th ruler in combination with Neptune couldn't be a symbol for this trip of her with the meditation group, being what is happening now? (the exact T/square) ?------------------
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tgem Moderator Posts: 2225 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted September 23, 2014 09:18 AM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: Venus is the querent's disp (and mutual reception) and in the 1st and it can still be another woman? I wouldn't want to introduce this variable (tell her that) unless there are strong signs pointing to this. To me, with my limited knowledge, it seems that Venus is related to the querent.
Nope. Venus is the ruler of her 3rd and 10th houses. When using the moon as a co-sig you look at what kind of dignity it has in the sign and house it's placed. Therefore moon is in strong dignity by triplicity and being her own first. Venus is actually in fall in the sign of Virgo. I stand corrected about the translation of light. She should wait and cast another chart to get more of a definitive answer. IP: Logged |
tgem Moderator Posts: 2225 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted September 23, 2014 09:24 AM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: And Moon appl to Mars, her 9th ruler in combination with Neptune couldn't be a symbol for this trip of her with the meditation group, being what is happening now? (the exact T/square) ?
Mars would actually be for long trips like moves or relocation. Short trips are signified by the 3rd (again venus.). Looking at that we see that venus is parallel the moon and in her 1st so in that context yes, the meditation trip is very much on her mind now. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 6952 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 23, 2014 10:02 AM
I didn't get it, tgem. So Venus is another woman? I thought planets in the first signify the querent.I just realized something important. And perhaps I presented the situation in an unclear manner. They are a couple. So her being in his 7th house makes total sense. The lie was not related to other women or relationships, it was something like that: when he was courting her, he said he finished an university. She has recently discovered he did finish, but he didn't actually take his diploma from there. While I don't condone lies of any kind and I'm tough on men, I dunno, they seem good for each other, and in this case I think she's a bit too proud and unforgiving (he was trying to impress her back then). Anyway, the guy is not the type for the "other woman" thing, I know them both. But the most important thing I didn't tell you: the intermediary through whom he tried to contact her is his brother (3rd house); he's the one who put them in touch in the first place, being a previous university colleague of the girl (9th house). In this case, could Mars be this person, being an intermediary /translation of light for the issue? Also, how is he, the quesited? Being in the 6th, could he be sick or something?
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LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 6952 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 24, 2014 12:23 PM
So? IP: Logged |
tgem Moderator Posts: 2225 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted September 25, 2014 01:59 PM
Hi, Yes, you are right. Venus can also be a sig for her being in her first house. As LP said in an above post, mars is too slow to translate light between moon and jupiter but given what you told me about them, venus making an applying conjunction to the sun (his co-sig) is very positive for a reconciliation. The 6th does have to do with health, yes, but it is also the house of distressing events. He could be very mentally stressed out right now/distressed over the situation. Also, if you make him the sun, the. He is sitting in his own 8th house of obsession, anxiety and turmoil. So either way, he is probably VERY upset about the situation. The last aspect the moon makes before leaving it's sign is the conjunction to him (the sun.) this is positive for them getting back together. Looking to the 4th from her 7th as to the end of the matter, you see it is venus in strong accidental dignity being in her first, another positive sign. But again, early ASC so this is not set in stone. She should post another chart where the ASC is greater than 3 degrees and less than 27 to make things a little more concrete...given there's no other strictures of course IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 6952 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted September 25, 2014 03:53 PM
Thank you, tgem This reflects their situation as I know it: she had that dream about him in which he was in pain (she's still refusing communication until she ponders on that lie) she looked at the watch and asked the question in her mind and thought of horary, so she wanted to cast the chart for that hour. I think they love each other, I have a good feeling about them getting together.Thanks again, and thank you Loaded Pistil for your input ------------------
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tgem Moderator Posts: 2225 From: Registered: Jan 2013
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posted September 25, 2014 04:04 PM
Absolutely! I hope things work out IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014 Moderator Posts: 6952 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014
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posted October 18, 2014 09:07 AM
BTW, they got back together ------------------
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