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Ceridwen
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posted October 08, 2014 09:24 AM
  
Yes, I know not my business anyway, and yes I asked the question how things are going between him and his wife (just noticing her icecold silence in public, which was not like that before).
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But I also have a general question.
I know that the querent is always the ruler of the ASC, so that would be me (as I am the curious one poking her nose wher eit does not belong  ). However what houses for him and her then?
I cant pick 7th house for him, as that would place her in 1st house, and that is already me, the querent.
5th house for him, cause I have that crush on him?, and then 11th for he?
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tgem
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posted October 08, 2014 11:06 AM
Hi Ceri - how are you? 
Hey no judging here...I've done the same thing with my Ex and his girl LOLOk, so this is what I would do: yes you are Saturn. He would be mercury, ruler of your 5th and she would be jupiter, ruler of his 7th because technically she is his partner. So......he is in his own 5th house and peregrine. She's in his 3rd (a cadent house so not that great) and in weak dignity by face. Since there is no aspect between mercury and jupiter, let's make him the sun (his co-sig.). We see there is an applying sextile between him and her showing they are in a relationship (obviously.) But now he is in weak accidental dignity in his own 4th and in fall. So either way, he doesn't seem in a very happy place right now, to me. Plus, whether you make him mercury or the sun, he's in via combusta..not good. They are both receiving eachother, she is in his rulership but he is only dignified by term. Even if you were to make her co-sig the moon, you see that she is in strong accidental dignity in his 10th but peregrine and the opposition between the moon and the sun is seperating, indicating she is moving away from him. If you make the moon the sig of the situation, again it is perigrine separating from him so quite frankly, it does look like there might be some trouble in paradise... IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted October 08, 2014 11:31 AM
Thank you for the reading. I am biased of course, but saw it similiarly (though I did not think THAT much about it). However I was stumbling across the declination table on astro.com and found this interesting
Mercury: 15°06 S
Jupiter: 16°12 N
Saturn: 16°10 S
Those are separating though, as Mercury is retrograde
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tgem
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posted October 08, 2014 11:37 AM
Yeah, the contraparallel between mercury and jupiter would make sense, again showing they are in a relationship..but yes, the contraparallel is seperating so I think it verifies the other findings. Oh yes..and the parallel between you and him is very interesting..even if it is seperating...it's still a parallel IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted October 08, 2014 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by tgem:
Yeah, the contraparallel between mercury and jupiter would make sense, again showing they are in a relationship..but yes, the contraparallel is seperating so I think it verifies the other findings. Oh yes..and the parallel between you and him is very interesting..even if it is seperating...it's still a parallel
Yes, separating by a little more than one degree.
And it fits the timeframe, as it is a little more than one month ago that we last met.
The timing of horary always amazes me. Never thought though it works with parallels too. lol
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Dancing Maenad
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posted October 08, 2014 01:14 PM
I agree with tgem. I would only like to add that I would use the Moon for the situation and see its last aspect to see how things will turn up. Also, the end of the matter - 4th house from his 7th, which is the 2nd. Which holds an intercepted Neptune and Chiron and a separating Moon-Uranus conjunction. Oddly Saturn rules this house. Why do you have a say in their outcome, Ceri?
But I have to say that my feeling here, based on Moon's last aspect and all the outers coloring the end of the matter, is that he will make an official commitment to her. What I feared when I made that spread. I don't think he loves her. But I think you know his reasons better than I do. I would like to look at Moon's last aspect to make it a quincunx to you, but I don't use non-Ptolemaics when judging this.. The aspect still counts IMO, but it is about your emotional aftermath rather than influence an outcome. ------------------
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Ceridwen
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posted October 08, 2014 02:51 PM
Thank you, DM.
Hmm, interesting take.
Well, honestly I am confused cause I am pretty sure he already HAS made a commitment to her.
I also think that he is someone taking his responsibility serious and not throwing everything away for a flight of fancy, because even if I am somehow in the picture, it must be just that for him, a flighty intrigue.
We all can feel attraction to people, but that does not mean we will burn all bridges behind us, especially, if we do not even know how deep that intrigue reaches, or if it is built on air, quicksand or firm ground. That is of course not an interpretation of the horary but just a summing up of my thoughts on this matter. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted October 08, 2014 02:54 PM
BTW wouldn´t the last aspect of Moon be the conjunction to SN? Or does that not count? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted October 08, 2014 03:22 PM
Seems it does - somewhat. lol
"In the 61st Consideration of his BOA, Bonatti describes at length the Nodes’ natures and distinguishes the applications and separations to and from them.[9] Put briefly, (1) if the Lord of the Ascendant or the Moon is with a Node by bodily conjunction, it signifies impediment in every matter, and the impediment will come from the area of life signified by the house they are in; (b) it is worse if a significator or Moon goes toward a Node than if it separates from it; (c) when a significator or the Moon goes towards the Tail, it is like someone in a shipwreck who is losing hope—but when separating, it is like someone in a shipwreck who finds a plank or piece of dross to hold onto, which gives him “hope of escaping, and sometimes he escapes”; and (d) the greater the distance from the Node, the less the effect: from 0º-1º has the most intense effects, but between 9º-12º there is hardly any to speak of. The only point of clarification I would make here is that the kind of Node matters, just as I stated before."
http://www.bendykes.com/articles/nodes.php
I am learning something new everyday. lol
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Dancing Maenad
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posted October 08, 2014 03:32 PM
Yeah, conjuncting the SN is not very favorable. I view things like this: regarding the ultimate outcome, I count Moon's last Ptolemaic aspect and only with planets from Sun to Saturn.. of course sometimes the Moon makes a trine or square etc to a point or an outer planet, this colors the aftermath but does not change the outcome. However lately me and horary have been having an iffy relationship lol.  I may need to reevaluate some things. ------------------
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Ceridwen
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posted October 08, 2014 03:47 PM
I don´t know. I could see both being true. But the South Node seems to have been considered as important in horary astrology of earlier times. I don`t know though, it is not a planet of course. Well Leeman calls it actually "the destroyer of the question". lol"The South Node in a horary chart is the destroyer of a question—not the kind of energy you want to have hanging around! " http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0001296.htm
Maybe it is the universe`s way of telling me to keep my nose out of other people`s business. 
but I am not having a clue anyway. lol
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tgem
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posted October 09, 2014 07:56 AM
I agree with the SN not being good for the outcome. However I'm not sure moon's last aspect will determine the final outcome of their relationship? I mean I know with horary questions you have to be very specific when asking a question and Ceri didn't ask if they will stay together, but just "how is the relationship going?" IMO if she would have asked if they'll stay together, the moon definitely comes into play...but I hesitate to use the last aspect of the moon to give the final outcome in this question because the question wasn't specific to the outcome of their relationship. See what I mean? Just thinking out loud....I might be off base here.IP: Logged |
tgem
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posted October 09, 2014 09:53 AM
Hey Ceri!
I was looking over a section of the long TF thread and I have a question for you...would you mind if I email you privately? You can delete your email as soon as I jot it down. I'd appreciate it IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted October 09, 2014 10:23 AM
Sure you can email me. You can find my email in the interpersonal astrology, up where my name is listed, if you highlight my name, my email appearsIP: Logged |
tgem
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posted October 09, 2014 10:34 AM
Ok great thx IP: Logged |
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