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tgem
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posted October 17, 2014 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok I actually have 2 of them. In both he is ruler of the 7th and she is ruler of his 5th (so my 11th since I asked the question.) I think I need some objective insight:
Thx!

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And here is the 2nd one:
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posted October 17, 2014 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What was your question?

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tgem
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posted October 17, 2014 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok so in the first chart I asked "what are their feelings toward eachother?"

And the second chart I asked "will he marry her?"

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posted October 17, 2014 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From what I remember, 'snooping' horary tends not to be accurate. And here you are kind of snooping into another persons relationship... I have tried to do some 'snooping' horaries in the past and I think I didn't get such great accuracy.

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posted October 18, 2014 08:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I've been through this speech before. What people don't know is the horary affects me and my son as this man is my husband who is seeing another woman while still married to me and is trying to hide it from me. A marriage to her would significantly impact our co-parenting etc. hence my inquiry.

..but thanks for the tip.

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posted October 18, 2014 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tgem, I am sorry to hear that. I will do my best with the charts.


Chronologically, you asked if they will marry on Oct 6th so I will start with that one.

Ruler of the hour was Mars, the Asc was Scorpio so the question was radical. Saturn was in the 1st house, conj the Asc. This means you were very upset and anxious when you asked and it might have clouded the chart. I will go on though, because we have a back-up chart and the question was radical too. You are Mars in Sag in your own house (though towards the end - I still consider you angular). Saturn could be your son because he's in your house and under your care/rulership. In that case, it is not so much a restriction anymore, because he is a part of the people involved. You seem rather indifferent towards both of them. I took him to be represented as Venus in Libra and her as Sun in Libra because Venus rules both the 7th and the 11th and I needed another significator for her (even though the sigs have reversed male/female roles, to me that is not so relevant - but they are conjunct and applying to conjunct, in his 5th house). She is definitely in love with him. He is in her detriment, and he resents her for something. They are both in your detriment, so they see you as the enemy to their happiness. They are both squared to Pluto, which to me means this is a pretty sexual relationship, possibly even obsessive (I'd say more on her part because of the reception and also the aspect is tighter for her); she is also making an applying opposition to Uranus, in your 5th, which to me means she intends to break up your family. He is applying to conjunct her but here's the thing.. she sextiles you before he gets to her! I looked at the ephemerides so I am sure. This is a prohibition here, and means you can prevent their union from happening. You are also angular so you have that power. They are succeedent. More so, POF is ruled by you. The last aspect Moon makes is a trine to Saturn, to your son.. I think he will take your side and that might have some weight in the outcome too. I think they will only marry if you don't oppose.. as long as you have a word to say in it, they can't marry (given he's still married to you) but.. they do want to be together.

BRB with the second chart. Need to close some windows.

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posted October 18, 2014 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry got confused with the rulerships of the hours, mixed the time of one q with the date of the other. So I edited out the first part of my previous post. In the second chart, the ruler of the hour was Moon, this chart is not radical so the first one has more weight. This happens sometimes when you ask again after a short time, at least to me. However, it is a readable chart and I will see if I can extract some more info out of it.

In this one you are Jupiter in Leo in the 8th house.. The 8th is not a good place to be, filled with anxiety and doubt, between a rock and a hard place. But you have Pluto in your 1st to keep you strong and driven. You are not one to give up without a very good fight. I wonder if this means you are worried about your common assets and overall your income (you're applying to square Saturn which rules your 2nd and 3rd.. the finance part seems like it's of some concern to you). He is Mercury in Libra, Rx and combust, but angular - in the 10th, so sadly has power to act even though he is of shady character. I am not sure who she is though! I first wanted to go with Mars, because it rules his 5th, but Sun is also a good option because again, he applies to Sun.. This chart is a bit unclear compared with the first one.. I am leaning more towards Mars being your son, because Mars rules his 5th house (he's his child too..) but it's in your house, under your rulership again. That makes her Sun and him combusted by her.. like he was in the first chart too (I don't think I mentioned it). Because you asked in this chart what their feelings were for one another we will look at reception. He is again in her detriment! Not sure what is going on here, he wants to be with her but resents her at the same time.. maybe for messing up your family? Detriment could also be jealousy, envy, anger, hate, insecurity.. generally negative feelings caused by the other person. I have had that in some of my charts when I was unhealthily obsessed with another person, to the point that I resented them for how much power they had over me.. considering his combust state it could happen here too. She is only in his term this time, it could have been triplicity but this is a day chart and triplicity goes to Saturn. They both want to be together, because they both apply to one another. He also applies to Mars (does he want custody?) but perfects with Sun before sextiling Mars - so his feelings for her win over. He is not applying to you, he is not in orb with you, so there is no intention on his part to reconcile with you.

There's also Venus.. and I am not sure who Venus is, but she applies to Sun. I had to progress the chart because the ephemerides were not helping, to see who conjuncts who first. Turns out the Mercury-Sun conjunction happens first.. so Venus might try to prevent their union but doesn't succeed. It might be you or it might be someone else.. perhaps you know.

Let's look at the Moon.. in the 7th. This could mean two things - situation is in his hands or he is taking you to court.. since it also stands for legal matters.. I am leaning more towards the last part because I saw you worried over finances. Moon applies to square Venus.. and I am not sure what that means because I don't know who Venus is.. but if we look further, Moon's last aspect is a square to Mercury.. which could be the divorce. The final rupture. POF is ruled by him and in aspect to him by antiscion. I think he does intend to leave you to be with her.. but the first chart has more weight though and you do have a word to say in it, plus you only asked about their feelings in this chart so you might disregard the part about the development.

I am very sorry, tgem. Let me know if you have questions.

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posted October 19, 2014 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read it totally different from DM.
Your 1st chart...

Your husband is 7th ruler Merc.
The woman is radix 11th H ruler Mars.

So you asked how they feel each other.
Well interestingly, he is retro AND was heading towards combustion by Sun. He is blinded by the situation and not seeing it straight. He is placed in his 4th H so family is important.

Interestingly, Mercury and Mars don't make an aspect (separating) and only he is more interested than her! (by terms). Also, Mars is placed in his 7th H so that's how he looks at her. On the other hand, she is in the place of Saturn by terms and face and detriment of Mercury so I don't think she's good for him but he doesn't realise this.

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posted October 19, 2014 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chart 2: Will they marry?
He is radix 7th H ruler Venus placed in the 5th H of romance/relationship(Libra). Interestingly he is combust again! Because turned 5th H ruler is also Venus so we take Moon for the woman. Your husband may want to marry her because Venus sextile Mars (7th H ruler) BUT the Sun is again burning him.
If you look at turned 7th marriage house (radix 1st H) Mars squares Moon. So marriage isn't what she wants. Saturn placed in that house indicate either delay or difficulty.

I'd say No.

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posted October 20, 2014 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ DM and Astra, thank you so much for taking the time to look at these charts. I really appreciate all the feedback! I enjoy getting different points of view because it brings up things I may not have seen upon initially assessing the chart. All of this is very interesting...I'm going to keep this all in mind and will keep you both updated as to how things progress.

...appreciate it!

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posted October 20, 2014 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HappyLoewe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
tgem, I am sorry you are going through this situation. It sounds really difficult. I wish I had some skills to offer something in this area but, alas, I don't. However, I do wish you all the best and I hope you get what you want and need for both yourself and your son.

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posted October 21, 2014 07:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much for your kind words. Yes, it's been hard but has made me a stronger woman and I have grown a lot in the process knowing what I do and don't deserve...and allowed me to better handle the situation for the betterment of myself and my son💙

He plays mind games with me and so horary has allowed me to see the situation for what it actually is and call him on his BS..

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posted October 22, 2014 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nobody should play a mind game with you. It's a form of abuse and you don't deserve abuse from anyone. I've been on the receiving end of all kinds of abuse including my family playing mental abuse. In the end, it's their disease and I had to cut ties with them for me to live healthy. There are many that had to do this. Perhaps you need to live it through to the point when you'd say enough is enough then you will take no more.

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posted October 22, 2014 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree completely...and yes, I'm sick of the abuse as well and have healed enough to actively try and end this battle. And you're right, it's him whose diseased, stemming from his family as well. But I won't let him break me. Thank you so much for helping me figure this out. 💙

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