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posted November 11, 2014 04:56 AM            

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Hello,

Did you had any experience when square meant yes insted of no?

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posted November 11, 2014 08:21 AM            

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A square does not always mean no. If the aspect is an applying one vs. a separating one, it can mean a "yes" but with difficulties or obstacles involved.

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posted November 11, 2014 08:36 AM            

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Thank you very much

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posted November 11, 2014 12:28 PM            

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And can I ask about oppositions? I read somewhere that oppositions can mean delays in things coming together or obstacles being putting in your way unless there is good reception or a TOL? Yes/No? Thanks HL

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posted November 12, 2014 09:03 AM            

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Same with oppositions, it can be a yes but it needs to be an applying opposition. Good receptions just strengthen the aspect.

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posted November 14, 2014 09:56 AM            

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Is it possible that the square implies a sudden and rapid evolution of things, when it happens? for example, if an applying aspect, when they get together? or an outside, external event bringing them together?

That's because I generally see sq like this, something intense, compelling.

The opposition is a compelling aspect too, however I'm not sure yet how it could be translated in horary.

Do you guys still consider only Ptolemaic aspects? What about the quincunx? Considering that the quincunx is generally associated with fated, sometimes surprising events, having been backed up by an evolution taking a rather significant amount of time *in relation to the Yod.

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posted November 14, 2014 12:04 PM            

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There are differing views on using the quincunx in horary. Some astrologers use it, others don't. It's true you only use major Ptolemaic aspects in horary but many consider the quincunx a major aspect.

I can see the square meaning a compelling interaction but mostly it means some complication or difficulty. As far an outside force affecting the situation, that would be seen by a planet transferring light between main sigs.

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posted November 15, 2014 07:59 AM            

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Lovely explanation, tgem, thank you. I think the quincunx could be very interesting in horary - applying its meaning from general astrology, I think it could show an important fated and/or surprising event.

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posted November 15, 2014 11:30 PM            

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Well I take into account all aspects in application between significators, but only use Ptolemaics when judging if Moon is VOC. I think an aspect is definitely *something* but might not be strong enough to actually bring an event forward.

Ditto to what tgem said about squares and oppositions.

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posted November 17, 2014 11:46 AM            

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I have had judgements pass with both squares AND oppositions applying.

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posted November 17, 2014 11:57 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Is it possible that the square implies a sudden and rapid evolution of things, when it happens? for example, if an applying aspect, when they get together? or an outside, external event bringing them together?

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Interesting..

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posted November 17, 2014 12:06 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Is it possible that the square implies a sudden and rapid evolution of things, when it happens? for example, if an applying aspect, when they get together? or an outside, external event bringing them together?

That's because I generally see sq like this, something intense, compelling.

The opposition is a compelling aspect too, however I'm not sure yet how it could be translated in horary.

Do you guys still consider only Ptolemaic aspects? What about the quincunx? Considering that the quincunx is generally associated with fated, sometimes surprising events, having been backed up by an evolution taking a rather significant amount of time *in relation to the Yod.

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No. External events are denoted by translations of light and collections of light not by the aspect itself. I think there was ONE astrologer who considered the quincunx as a strained aspect like square and opposition, but I have not seen any of my horaries come to fruition with a quincunx.

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posted November 21, 2014 12:21 AM            

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From my experience, an applying square does not always mean 'no' (a separating square is a different story altogether)... but it usually means things are not going to work out at all how I would have liked.... and if it's an applying opposition... I usually regret any involvement in the situation whatsoever when it's all said and done... it usually ends up being dramatic and a complete waste of time... I'd have wished I'd gone the other direction if I'd had the chance to relive whatever it was.

With the applying square though... I usually need a substantial amount of other support, especially applying connections involving the moon or secondary significators, preferably both.

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