posted December 17, 2014 10:32 AM            

Going to make you Moon since moon is in 1st minding its bees wax and receiving the prisoner's by ruler depicting interest.

Venus is in it's 8th.

They dead, girl.

This is the thing, though. Government is conjunct Venus, but Venus never perfects. We'll never have confirmation. They'll never be caught dead or alive.

Mercury is also separating trine from the Prisoners' 8th ruler noting some action at the same time they started looking. Venus is not separating from it's 8th. Government may have had the opportunity to rescue them and didn't. Just assumed they were dead.

I think government will have something to say about this and a statement will appear in the news, since moon applies to Mercury sextile and Mercury is under the Sun's beams. Jupiter, the natural sig for government is also retro. Gov't may change its story some.

posted December 17, 2014 01:20 PM            

7th-Prisoners (Mars in the 4th)

You- Venus bc it rules the 1st and the moon is ruling the 10th. Moon in the first is symbolic of your interest in getting to the bottom of this.

Government-Moon bc it rules the 10th and Jupiter bc is falling in the 10th.

Prison-Mercury bc it rules the 12th.

The fact that mars is in aquarius in the 4th makes me think they are at home and did get away. If mars would have landed in the 12th or 8th when you asked I would say otherwise.

One can say that bc mars is not aspecting ruler of the 12th or ruler of the 10th which represents the government and bc mars is separating from the sun which also rules the government while simultanously quintiling saturn applying makes me think they did get away. Quintiles are gifts after all...

posted December 17, 2014 03:38 PM            

I did not use the 10th because the Querant is not under the scrutiny of the law. The querant is NOT being judged.

posted December 17, 2014 03:50 PM            

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Originally posted by LoadedPistil:
Scholars and practitioners of law are attributed to the 9th house and confusion often exists as to whether lawyers and those who enforce the law should be associated with this house or the 10th. In the sense that the 9th house represents guidance and advice from those more knowledgeable than ourselves, lawyers, counsellors and advisors generally fall under the principles of the 9th house when they act in an advisory capacity. Law, as a means of enforcing a ruling over others, however, belongs to the 10th house, which is the house of authority and rulership. Hence lawyers and solicitors are attributed to the 9th, whereas judges and magistrates are attributed to the 10th. If a matter of law is being considered with respect to a ruling, the decision or outcome should be judged from the 10th house.
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I did not use the 10th because the Querant is not under the scrutiny of the law. The querant is NOT being judged.

Furthermore, I did not use the 12th from the asc because, again, the querant is not in prison.

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posted December 17, 2014 09:16 PM            

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Originally posted by LoadedPistil:
Scholars and practitioners of law are attributed to the 9th house and confusion often exists as to whether lawyers and those who enforce the law should be associated with this house or the 10th. In the sense that the 9th house represents guidance and advice from those more knowledgeable than ourselves, lawyers, counsellors and advisors generally fall under the principles of the 9th house when they act in an advisory capacity. Law, as a means of enforcing a ruling over others, however, belongs to the 10th house, which is the house of authority and rulership. Hence lawyers and solicitors are attributed to the 9th, whereas judges and magistrates are attributed to the 10th. If a matter of law is being considered with respect to a ruling, the decision or outcome should be judged from the 10th house.

I did not use the 10th because the Querant is not under the scrutiny of the law. The querant is NOT being judged.

Furthermore, I did not use the 12th from the asc because, again, the querant is not in prison.

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so then the question is; are they still alive?

Death can be represented by both ruler of the 8th and 12th which are venus and mercury which are conjuncting applying BUT neither form an aspect with ruler of the 7th (mars in the 4th) so I get the impression they are home and alive specially since mars is quintiling saturn which makes me think longevity.

posted December 17, 2014 09:53 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
so then the question is; are they still alive?

Death can be represented by both ruler of the 8th and 12th which are venus and mercury which are conjuncting applying BUT neither form an aspect with ruler of the 7th (mars in the 4th) so I get the impression they are home and alive specially since mars is quintiling saturn which makes me think longevity.

Now if we go by the prisoners been represented by mercury since mercury is conjuncting venus applying which rules the 8th then that means they are dead....

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posted December 18, 2014 01:36 PM            

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Originally posted by SunAscendant:
It seems like nobody can come to a consensus so idk what to think. I guess its another one of history's mysteries.

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Read both perspectives as well as the information you have read about the probabilities of them been alive and go with your gut; you can also get more opinions from other astrologers.

posted December 18, 2014 03:03 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Read both perspectives as well as the information you have read about the probabilities of them been alive and go with your gut; you can also get more opinions from other astrologers.

Astrology aside, Its very possible not all of them survived and not all three died; its possible one was resilient enough to have made it but when it comes down to it we will never truly know.

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Prisoner 1: Venus.
Prisoner 2: Let's use Mars. (7th from Venus)
Prisoner 3: Let's say friends with 1. Saturn.

1 is dead receiving 3 by ruler
2 is in his 3rd and escaped, but he's peregrine. Now he possibly found his way to have a home in a land he'd previously never been, but not TOO far. He's receiving Mercury accidentally, so I'd say still California. Mars is receiving 3 by Ruler. Aspect to Uranus says he disappeared.
3 is critical, in 2's 1st and in Neptune. Drowned.

This was 3's idea. NONE of them perfect Mercury OR Jupiter, so again... never caught.