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ikja
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posted January 04, 2015 06:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello :smile:

I decided to make this post because I want to empower those who are new to horary astrology. I have noticed that since I have joined, these boards have become less active and those who are more skilled in this area, are now less likely to help with chart interpretations. That's fine! We all have lives to live off of LL.

However, I would like to learn from your expertise and apply them myself if possible (as I am sure that others would like to too). Therefore, I would like to ask the likes of LoadedPistel, Tgem, DancingM...

What are the things that you look for when interpreting charts?

I find it easy to note the planetary ruler of the ascendant (the querent), the planetary ruler of the house relevant to the quesited. I look for the degrees of the ascendant, making sure it is not too early and not too late. From here, I look for a relationship between the two and also between the moon and the significator for the quesited; but at this point, I often get stuck.

I want to take it one step further... So, what would YOU do next???

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posted January 15, 2015 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a very good start. I would look to see where Saturn is. If it's in the 7th house, the chart is invalid. I'd look to see if the moon is in via combusta or VOC to deck the validity of the chart as well. If the chart is asking about feelings between people, I look at the receptions. If the chart is asking a yes/no question, I look to see if there is an aspect (major) and applying between the sigs. Aspect equals action. No aspect equals no action

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ikja
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posted January 17, 2015 06:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi T,

Thank you for responding, I know you mentioned something about Saturn being in 7th house.

I found this in a website, what are your views on it?

'I find, actually that they are not generally strictures when you are asking questions pertaining to these houses. For example, I find often if I am asking a 7th house question/general relationship question, that the Saturn is actually telling me something about the matter. I is often telling me that there will be a delay of some sort, either in the actual timing of the perfection, or just a delay in general. Or, it will function as an actual person, whose role in the matter is trying to keep the perfection from happening at all.'

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posted January 17, 2015 08:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is an interesting view. It might work but almost all the information I have learned about strictures, Saturn in the 7th is definitely one of them. I think if it came to a relationship horary specifically, one could take this opinion into consideration.

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posted January 18, 2015 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This has a simple delineation guide that I thought was well done, covers all the primary bases:

http://leephd.blogspot.ca/2006/07/encyclopedia-entry-on-horary-astrology.html

Also, one very important thing to realize about horary charts is that they are not a compassionate friend! Before you cast a chart for a question, make SURE that you will be okay with either a YES or a NO - because often you are going to hear what you don't want to hear.

It's more common for us to ask questions when our gut is telling us one thing but we are hoping we are just paranoid and wrong - we ask a horary question hoping that it will calm us and tell us it's going to be okay and everything will turn out as we want.

It's going to happen where you get an answer you can't accept and you want to cast another chart with a slightly different version of that question, or something similar - but that's not the right response. You have to accept it. It's kind of like 'rejection'- you have to be mature, accept what the universe is telling you and move on. When it's not meant to be, it's not meant to be - you can't be a crazy control freak about it and try to force it to give you the answer you want to hear - you have to let it go.

So, don't ask questions where you couldn't handle hearing what you don't want to hear.

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posted January 19, 2015 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And just to pass on some advice I got a while back, that was very good advice:
Never start to read a chart until you:

(1) Understand the question completely.

(2) Ask a question that answers the core of what you actually want to know... Meaning, decipher first what it is you actually want to know about a situation, as simple as that turns out to be - and structure your question around that.

and

(3) First decide which houses are going to come into play to answer the question, before even looking at the chart.

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ikja
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posted January 19, 2015 04:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@apple - Thank you for your contribution!

I found this interesting:

Taking the Time
The moment of a horary question is the clock time taken for when the Querent finds it almost impossible to not know the answer any longer.

I'm guilty of holding onto charts for a few weeks before I actually have a look and decide that I want to know.

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posted January 19, 2015 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ikja:

I found this interesting:

Taking the Time
The moment of a horary question is the clock time taken for when the Querent finds it almost impossible to not know the answer any longer.


That was interesting. I've heard similar, but never quite like that - and I think that's a very good guide, especially when you're first starting out.

One thing about Horary is that I've found that often I'd prefer not to know at all and just let things unfold as they do... Lol... the old-fashioned way. Sometimes I cast charts - knowing how much I want to know the answer - but don't let myself read it for a while because I don't want the answer to change my response, but I do want to cast the chart to know the answer as well as study it later for practice.

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posted January 23, 2015 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great stuff! I'll move it to the Reference Library once it fills up.

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posted January 24, 2015 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another bit of advice about mistakes we all make in the beginning:

You should NOT put all of the additional objects in there, like asteroids, etc... All they do is make the chart messy and hard to read - they are more for composite and synastry charts, not used by anyone I know in traditional Horary - and when you are asking others to read your chart - you should make the chart as simple as possible, otherwise you are just making their job harder and they are less likely to read it... Keep it simple! That's the best way to get the maximum number of readers and the most accurate answer.

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posted January 25, 2015 07:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Question, so in Horary the mother is 10th house and father 4th house. Many horary readers associate the 4th house with the mother and the father 10th house. Where do you place the mother?

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hannaramaa
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posted January 25, 2015 07:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by appleberry:
Another bit of advice about mistakes we all make in the beginning:

You should NOT put all of the additional objects in there, like asteroids, etc... All they do is make the chart messy and hard to read - they are more for composite and synastry charts, not used by anyone I know in traditional Horary - and when you are asking others to read your chart - you should make the chart as simple as possible, otherwise you are just making their job harder and they are less likely to read it... Keep it simple! That's the best way to get the maximum number of readers and the most accurate answer.


And you say you don't have time to be a moderator... oh please just be one already!

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posted January 25, 2015 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hannaramaa:
And you say you don't have time to be a moderator... oh please just be one already!

I do have a bit of time now, but I'm supposed to start school as soon as funding comes through... So, I'm thinking I won't have time then...

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posted January 25, 2015 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Julz87:
Question, so in Horary the mother is 10th house and father 4th house. Many horary readers associate the 4th house with the mother and the father 10th house. Where do you place the mother?

Yes, this is an issue... there are two points of view on this and some people do use mother for the 4th, father for the 10th... but I've more or less gone with mother for 10th... From what I understand, it is:

Traditional Horary = Mother 10th & Father 4th
Modern Horary = Mother 4th & Father 10th

You might have to test it out yourself a bit and see which works best for you...

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Originally posted by appleberry:
Yes, this is an issue... there are two points of view on this and some people do use mother for the 4th, father for the 10th... but I've more or less gone with mother for 10th... From what I understand, it is:

Traditional Horary = Mother 10th & Father 4th
Modern Horary = Mother 4th & Father 10th

You might have to test it out yourself a bit and see which works best for you...


Thank you, Appleberry will test it out and let you know how it works out.

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posted January 28, 2015 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes.... Well, Astrology is 'Art/Science'... The science is the technique you learn, and the art is something you have to develop within yourself... we're all students, and I think we'll always remain students, always learning, always developing our art or skill... at the end of the day, you have to decide what works best for you and go with it...

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posted January 30, 2015 07:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know that it is dependant on circumstances, but if I have asked if someone misses me and the significators are both in the same sign (not officially conjunct), would that be a positve indicator?

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posted January 31, 2015 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For me, same house -OR- same sign simply means you are on the same wavelength about the subject/both thinking about it, or perhaps both experiencing the same issue at hand.

If they are BOTH in the same sign AND the same house AND have a positive applying connection with the MOON - then I would think it a 'yes', considering there is nothing else saying no, or there are other supporting factors...

That is my experience, from my own charts...


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ikja
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posted February 01, 2015 08:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks AB!

I had asked the question, does my ex miss me. I was Mars and he was Venus. Venus was trine Moon (in his 3rd house) but, Me (Mars) was in Pisces with him (Venus), but not aspecting.

Thought I would re-post this here because it was a good pic that you posted (hope you don't mind).

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posted February 07, 2015 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^No worries.

Another note on horary that I think we all make the mistake of doing...

Horary cannot really answer questions with "EVER" or "NEVER". Horary is for a shorter time period, just like First Meeting Charts... They are only valid for about 6 months (which is why you can ask the same question again in 6 months time).

We all ask questions that are much further into the future, or ever/never questions from time to time, but it's important to remember that it's all about energy affecting the 'right now' time period, with a range of 3-6 months in the past and present...

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posted February 07, 2015 02:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This coincides with another question that I had actually Apple.

If you ask a question that has a 0 degree ascendant, should you wait 3/6 months to ask again? Or, can you ask again in a few days?

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posted February 07, 2015 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ikja:
This coincides with another question that I had actually Apple.

If you ask a question that has a 0 degree ascendant, should you wait 3/6 months to ask again? Or, can you ask again in a few days?


Well, 0* is only a 'consideration' against judgement... many people will absolutely not read a chart in early degrees, but I don't think it makes the chart automatically invalid. It's still speaking. It's just saying that "here's the plan for now, but this is still super early so things can and are likely to change, so don't place any bets on this outcome"... That's how I see it.

If I know the person I'm reading for will take everything said from the chart as if it's written in stone - then definitely just avoid reading the chart in that case, but if you're reading for a more sensible person who understands that it's early stages and can change, then I think there is no harm in reading.

If I get a 0* chart for a question of my own. I don't ask again for 3 months. But, it's all relative too - if the answer will come to pass in 2 months then I might ask again in 3 weeks - because the life of the event itself is relatively shorter. That's just my way of doing it... not necessarily the proper way.


Here's an excellent page on that topic, with many people's experiences with the matter:
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/special-horary/early-ascendant.php


ADD ON: I found this link, a good example of when you should AVOID reading for someone. Think about the consequences of reading for certain people. http://www.modernhoraryastrology.com/2013/07/predicting-death-with-horary-astrology.html

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posted February 10, 2015 01:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm just now joining this thread to bring up a question about aspects - what if the other significator aspects the ASC, but not the ASC ruler?

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RETROGRADE PLANETS

Retrograde motion in Horary Astrology

Retrograde motion is the apparent backward motion of a planet. In Horary Astrology this motion indicates returning or going back to a previous condition. The area ruled by the retrograde planet could change it’s mind, or a key person involved in the situation may cause the person to return.

With the issue of retrograde motion, an item may be in a damaged state, may return to something or to someone. If the answer to the question asked is positive and the ruler of the question is retrograde, then if the objective is gained it may well fall short of your expectations and you should reconsider moving forward with the matter.

Retrograde Saturn in the 1st house of the question may signify a negative outcome or less favorable outcome than expected. A retrograde 7th house ruler may mean that the Astrologer can’t deliver the outcome, or that if this is a relationship question, that the person can’t commit at this time.

Mercury Retrograde will affect the outcome of the question asked. Usually the person asking the question will change their mind or what looked good during the retrograde period will have a serious flaw once Mercury goes direct. In a lot of cases, Mercury will give a negative outcome to the question asked.

Source: http://www.astrologicalpredictions.ca/news/horaryseries.htm

Another explaination

If a planet turns retrograde before an aspect perfects, it signifies a reversal of some sort, and the thing asked about not coming to pass. For instance, if someone asks a question about marriage, and the signifiers of the man and woman are applying by sextile, but one of the planets turns retrograde, it could show that person whom the planet represents backing out of the committment. The same holds true for business dealings, and partnerships in general. This failure to complete an aspect is called refranation.

The symolism of a retrograde planet can also have very positive implications. For instance, if the horary chart is cast for a lost object, a retrograde planet signifying the lost object generally shows that the object will be found. Think about it: retrogradation is a turning back of the planet, a return to a previous position. An errant spouse signified by a retrograde planet will return.

Source: http://mithras93.tripod.com/lessons/lesson4/lesson4.html

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posted February 10, 2015 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Good one! :-)

This is where using planetwatcher.com is useful...

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