posted February 08, 2015 08:52 AM            

While I'm a bit clueless about horary, I find it fascinating nonetheless. I've known this person a long time, and would like to know if it will manifest into marriage.

posted February 08, 2015 11:08 AM            

But I'd love to hear what others who are more experienced see.

posted February 09, 2015 12:45 AM            

Is it possible that the two of you would make a life commitment without ever actually sealing the deal with papers?

I believe the first and seventh house should be used for this question (8th house can talk of marriage in natal, but not generally in horary from what I understand, but modern horary may be different from what I learned)... but just about everything comes into play now- you both have intercepted signs, and additional planets in your houses and rising... This can get confusing...

posted February 09, 2015 04:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
@LucieLemonade - I get the SUN as ruler of the DC, but can you please elaborate on why you chose to look at VENUS? Like I said, I'm relatively clueless about horary.

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Opps! I looked at it quickly yesterday and saw Libra instead of Aqua... Sorry!!! :-O

Still, I'd say no as Sun/Saturn make no aspects and Sun/Uranus are separating.

posted February 09, 2015 07:25 AM            

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Originally posted by appleberry:
Interesting chart. This is important to both of you. He is actually MORE interested in this than you are, as far as I can see.

Is it possible that the two of you would make a life commitment without ever actually sealing the deal with papers?

I believe the first and seventh house should be used for this question (8th house can talk of marriage in natal, but not generally in horary from what I understand, but modern horary may be different from what I learned)... but just about everything comes into play now- you both have intercepted signs, and additional planets in your houses and rising... This can get confusing...

I'm not sure what answer to give... so much is going on (Are there children involved?) ... I do get a very positive vibe from the chart as a whole and definitely lean towards yes...

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I was wondering if it might've been too complicated to interpret, considering the ridiculous number of conjunctions by planets, angles, and nodes. I cast the chart, then looked at it, and was like, "you must be joking". I'd have a ball with this in natal and synastric comparison, but horary? So not my field. Especially for this chart.

You're correct in that marriage is something of import (and sacred) to us both. Interesting that you said he appears to have the greater interest, though.

But you're spot on about it being complicated. No children (do pets count? ), but we do live in separate countries (me in US, he in Canada), and I stay with my mother here (we co-own a business, so she is my business partner - that could be the 5H vibe you got?). He's got family up there too, not to mention the irritating process of passports, and the very daunting subject of changing citizenship/attaining dual-citizenship (and the money involved for all the travel).

We have known each other going on 20 yrs. "Commitment without an official seal" seems an accurate description, as personally, I'm rather set on him, and while I tried, have no interest in pursuing a relationship with anyone else. Evidently, he is also quite content remaining indefinitely "available, only really not". Honestly, this wouldn't even be a question if we were in closer proximity, but life and circumstance is currently in the way. I was actually wondering if SATURN there on the MC might be an indicator of that, but again - horary isn't my field of expertise.

posted February 09, 2015 07:30 AM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Opps! I looked at it quickly yesterday and saw Libra instead of Aqua... Sorry!!! :-O

Still, I'd say no as Sun/Saturn make no aspects and Sun/Uranus are separating.

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Haha, not a problem! I think retro MERCURY is messing with everyone, right about now, the lil brat.

posted February 09, 2015 03:44 PM            

1. Things change so maybe eventually you will marry him. Not in the future time frame that this horary chart is relevant for... Of course, that's just my read on it. I keep it simple. I answer yes/no. One day maybe I'll have the insight to see more.

2. Personally, I don't believe every one needs to get married anyway! Your relationship seems to work like this for now. No wonder it's a Uranus ASC.

posted February 09, 2015 10:51 PM            

He's right on the ascendent, so I think he cares about you VERY much.

I didn't realize this about your mom, and you are on the cusp of your mom (10th house for my line of study)... I think the reason you are not as interested as him is because you place your mother as a higher priority.

posted February 09, 2015 10:56 PM            

In horary Uranus can mean an unexpected event. Moon is the situation as a whole, but also means your role. The nodes are karma/destiny. Something is coming soon. And it has to do with the 8th house (and 2nd):

[a quick copy-paste for you to think about these horary houses...]

8th house:
Death, taxes, wills, insurance, your partner’s money, inheritances other than of property, lawyer representing the other side in a lawsuit.

2nd house:
Money, financial instruments directly convertible into cash (bank accounts, CD’s, guaranteed bonds), salary, moveable objects (things you can pick up and carry by yourself), lawyer acting in your behalf in a lawsuit (i.e., barrister).

posted February 10, 2015 05:04 AM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Well, I feel better having said "no" after reading your description!

1. Things change so maybe eventually you will marry him. Not in the future time frame that this horary chart is relevant for... Of course, that's just my read on it. I keep it simple. I answer yes/no. One day maybe I'll have the insight to see more.

2. Personally, I don't believe every one needs to get married anyway! Your relationship seems to work like this for now. No wonder it's a Uranus ASC.

PS, totally no dramavomit!!

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How long are these charts typically valid for?

posted February 10, 2015 05:14 AM            

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Originally posted by appleberry:
The main significators do not aspect at all so that is something to take into consideration for short term. If you marry, it would not be soon.

He's right on the ascendent, so I think he cares about you VERY much.

I didn't realize this about your mom, and you are on the cusp of your mom (10th house for my line of study)... I think the reason you are not as interested as him is because you place your mother as a higher priority.

Based on what you've said, I think you're the reason you won't marry. Horary isn't going to change this for you - you are keeping yourself from this. But, it's not wrong, I think your mom and your business should be a priority. Things happen for a reason, and if this isn't meant to be - it'll be okay in the end.

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Going by progressions, he's got pSUN hitting his nVENUS (and SUN/MOON MP) at some point next year, plus pVERTEX meeting his pJUNO. So my guess for timeframe is within the next 2-3 yrs, but that's all progressions. So I wasn't expecting a "soon" anyway, if at all.

I don't doubt he deeply cares, but it's still warm and fuzzy to see it confirmed in astrology. Sometimes astrology can knock my socks off.

SATURN-MC is spot on. I'm placing priority on it for monetary reasons and financial independence. I've always been aiming for something I could do from the comfort of home, without having to be tied to a particular city, precisely because of this international issue (plus I've got natal URANUS-MC, issues with being bossed around ). I suppose that's where I've got to put forth all my efforts, before much else will change. tSATURN aspecting my nMC is making that abundantly clear, too.

Re: MOON, I suppose I'm the spearhead here? Heh. (Real estate investment is my business, so an 8H issue.) And MOON = mother = real estate, at least in modern astrology.

posted February 10, 2015 06:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
How long are these charts typically valid for?

And yes, it is working for now - but we are getting older, and I'd like to build a family, at some point. Aqua energy is strong between us. I'm Aqua rising, and he's Aqua SUN. Paired with my Sag SUN, we're both independent and unconventional, in general. I'm not terribly shocked that Aqua energy made a show here.

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I'm still really new at this. I didn't want to study it in particular. I just find horary charts fascinating. But I've gathered they are rather short term, 6 months ish? AB might know better. Things are always changing and moving with every step/decision we make. So, the charts will change.

I'm a 4xSag sun dating a 3x Aqua! lol. He lives a couple hours away, we have different nationalities too and I just can't see how we are going to make this happen! Ugh.

posted February 11, 2015 03:17 AM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
I'm still really new at this. I didn't want to study it in particular. I just find horary charts fascinating. But I've gathered they are rather short term, 6 months ish? AB might know better. Things are always changing and moving with every step/decision we make. So, the charts will change.

I'm a 4xSag sun dating a 3x Aqua! lol. He lives a couple hours away, we have different nationalities too and I just can't see how we are going to make this happen! Ugh.

Well, if you really do want to marry each other I'm sure you'll make it happen in whatever fabulously unconventional way you can!

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That's good to know, thanks!

Horary is fascinating, but incredibly confusing at times. This chart for instance - I've got Aqua rising (URANUS and SATURN), plus intercepted Pisces (NEPTUNE and JUPITER), plus VENUS and MARS sitting in my house, not to mention the SUN. Meanwhile, he's got Leo (SUN), plus intercepted Virgo (MERCURY), and JUPITER in tight aspect. So each other's significators on each other's angle (SUN and JUPITER). That's frankly ridiculous, and terribly complicated.

That just leaves, what, MOON and PLUTO? *telemarketer voice* But wait, there's more! - the MOON is significant in horary, too!

posted February 11, 2015 10:04 AM            

I'm too new at this to get into the rest of it. I stick with the yes/no questions. The situation around though I can see glimpses like the Aqua rising quality of the relationship and the Sun on ASC, I wouldn't dare go further than that.

It would be great if one of our "more-knowledgeable"s would have a look. Let's see if they hear our plea!

posted February 11, 2015 03:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
That's good to know, thanks!

Horary is fascinating, but incredibly confusing at times. This chart for instance - I've got Aqua rising (URANUS and SATURN), plus intercepted Pisces (NEPTUNE and JUPITER), plus VENUS and MARS sitting in my house, not to mention the SUN. Meanwhile, he's got Leo (SUN), plus intercepted Virgo (MERCURY), and JUPITER in tight aspect. So each other's significators on each other's angle (SUN and JUPITER). That's frankly ridiculous, and terribly complicated.

That just leaves, what, MOON and PLUTO? *telemarketer voice* But wait, there's more! - the MOON is significant in horary, too!

A fascinating and complex chart for sure, but definitely not one a horary noob like me can interpret.

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posted February 11, 2015 10:53 PM            

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Originally posted by appleberry:
Well... Ur making it more complicated... Ultimately it's sun vs saturn and moon marks the scenario as a whole...there's no aspect, which is generally a no but when sigs are tight on the axis like that, it shows very strong feelings about the topic for the querent and quesited... Other things add details and symbols to the story

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