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LucieLemonade
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posted April 11, 2015 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok. So if you see this thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum36/HTML/000684.html

I'm having a bit of trouble with this relationship, I'm, I guess, no longer in! Well, we decided to 'take a break' and then take a trip that was already booked in May to sort of go over things and see where we are.

The thing is he has now stopped communicating altogether. On the one hand, I think it's fine as i didn't know what to do with this relationship... On the other, I'd still like him in my life. Really, I'd hate to have him completely out of my life. I'm a far better friend than girlfriend anyway.

In the other thread Appleberry suggested I ask an horary question instead of looking back at the FMC. At the time I didn't really have a question to ask. I remember reading that you have to ask the question when you are really ready to ask it.

Last night I woke up at 1:20 AM with the question in mind. "Will he come back?" That's the question I had. Nothing more specific. So I did the chart last night. It's below. And I only looked at this just now.

Separating trines..... That's a no right?
The thing I noticed is that is weird is that the ASC is again in Sag. 3o before now Sag 20o.

Saturn is again the 12th with Jupiter again in the 8th.

Any thoughts?


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posted April 12, 2015 05:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You were full on dating?
It just makes a difference because I find that if you are not yet sleeping together, you use the 5th, if you are then the 7th.

It's a horrible question to ask, but it's hard to figure out where to start if you don't know what kind of question this is.

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posted April 12, 2015 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for midnightvenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by appleberry:
You were full on dating?
It just makes a difference because I find that if you are not yet sleeping together, you use the 5th, if you are then the 7th.

I don't see how not having sex qualifies it as the 5H, since the 5th rules casual sex, at least that I know of??
But "officially dating" I agree.

I have wondered if this kind of situation varies from person to person, because many people don't ever have sex before marriage, so I'm totally unsure how to clarify the difference between the 5th and 7th for them... still trying to define that one...

We can't forget that we have our rules as a society/culture, etc... but the universe doesn't play by our rules... so what is the difference between the energy of the 5th vs the 7th...

Sometimes it feels like the 5th is the very dynamic, growing, shaky, unsure beginning of the pre-relationship... maybe even the "chase", the excitement, the "where is this going" part of the relationship... which for many of us happens before the first time we have sex with someone. Maybe for people who wait til marriage for sex, this part would be the engagement - nothing is yet finalized in partnership, there's still a possibility of not being united as one.

The 7th feels more static. We know where we are in the relationship - we are "partners". We are no longer coming together; we have arrived at the point when we are already a combination of two energies. This usually happens after relationship consummation - even physiologically, we become combined, we become "one" with each other. For the universe, "quantum entanglement" has already occurred - the universe now accepts us as one.

I usually define relationship differences between the 5th and 7th with sex, because it seems like a more definite way of ensuring the quantum entanglement of the two people's energies has occurred. For me, that is the ultimate difference between using the 5th and the 7th in terms of relationship.

Only you really know your own relationship with someone though. So, if you think one house makes sense over the other, it's fine to tell the reader that you are certain this is a "__th" house question.

Even with my own questions, regarding various topics (not just relationship), I often have to sit and really think about which are the appropriate houses to use to find the significators. The starting points are the most important, and sometimes the most complicated.

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posted April 12, 2015 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by appleberry:
You were full on dating?
It just makes a difference because I find that if you are not yet sleeping together, you use the 5th, if you are then the 7th.

It's a horrible question to ask, but it's hard to figure out where to start if you don't know what kind of question this is.


Yes. We were full on dating. It's a 7th house matter.

Although we kept the relationship somewhat on the down low, we referenced to "our relationship" and we called each other "boy/girlfriend" (although as adults I find that super annoying), etc.

That leaves us with a seperating trine between Merc and Jupiter.

So, again, are separating aspects always a no?

And why is it a horrible question to ask?

I can't really win, can I?

ETA:
So, now I'm wondering if former, possibly over, relationships are still 7th house questions?

I'm confused about the confusion at this point.... Does an end of a relationship take this out of the 7th and put it in the 5th?


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posted April 12, 2015 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:

1. So, again, are separating aspects always a no?

2. And why is it a horrible question to ask?

3. So, now I'm wondering if former, possibly over, relationships are still 7th house questions? I'm confused about the confusion at this point.... Does an end of a relationship take this out of the 7th and put it in the 5th?


1. Separating aspects pretty much always indicate something that has occurred in the past, so I don't always see it as a negative, but every question has to be looked at separately. Plus, whatever aspect it is adds to the interpretation.

2. Horrible because many people want (and deserve) privacy regarding their sexual relationships with others. I don't like to ask, but can't effectively interpret without that knowledge most of the time.

3. Yes, exes are usually 7th house questions. I've never used 5th for exes. The only thing I wonder about still is if/when they can be moved to the 11th house if friendship dominates after the relationship commitment ends. I'm finding, so far, that they're always 7th house.

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posted April 12, 2015 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for midnightvenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
I don't see how not having sex qualifies it as the 5H, since the 5th rules casual sex, at least that I know of??
But "officially dating" I agree.

I have wondered if this kind of situation varies from person to person, because many people don't ever have sex before marriage, so I'm totally unsure how to clarify the difference between the 5th and 7th for them... still trying to define that one...

We can't forget that we have our rules as a society/culture, etc... but the universe doesn't play by our rules... so what is the difference between the energy of the 5th vs the 7th...

Sometimes it feels like the 5th is the very dynamic, growing, shaky, unsure beginning of the pre-relationship... maybe even the "chase", the excitement, the "where is this going" part of the relationship... which for many of us happens before the first time we have sex with someone. Maybe for people who wait til marriage for sex, this part would be the engagement - nothing is yet finalized in partnership, there's still a possibility of not being united as one.

The 7th feels more static. We know where we are in the relationship - we are "partners". We are no longer coming together; we have arrived at the point when we are already a combination of two energies. This usually happens after relationship consummation - even physiologically, we become combined, we become "one" with each other. For the universe, "quantum entanglement" has already occurred - the universe now accepts us as one.

I usually define relationship differences between the 5th and 7th with sex, because it seems like a more definite way of ensuring the quantum entanglement of the two people's energies has occurred. For me, that is the ultimate difference between using the 5th and the 7th in terms of relationship.

Only you really know your own relationship with someone though. So, if you think one house makes sense over the other, it's fine to tell the reader that you are certain this is a "__th" house question.

Even with my own questions, regarding various topics (not just relationship), I often have to sit and really think about which are the appropriate houses to use to find the significators. The starting points are the most important, and sometimes the most complicated.


What???????
I didn't write the bolded part of this!!

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LucieLemonade
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posted April 12, 2015 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think AB just accidentally hit "edit" instead of "quote".

Ok. I see the confusion in the houses question.

For me, yes, this was a relationship (7H) thing. I've had 5H "affairs" and they were for sure different than this. Personally, I would never stay with someone 10/11 months if I felt it was only 5H.

But, it's true that I want to know if he will come back at all, in general, even if just as a friend. So, then the confusion sort of persists. Is it possible to read for 7H then for 11H? Or does that not work that way.

All I can say is that I woke up and that was the question that was in my mind.

Maybe we could say that the separating 7H (merc/jup) trine means that the 7H relationship is over. Then if we turn to 11H, Pluto has an applying conj with the moon and an applying inconjunct with Jupiter. Maybe, just maybe, he'll come back as a friend. ?

Does anyone else find the similarities with the FMC interesting? Or just me?


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posted April 12, 2015 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for babybull82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok..I'll take a stab at this one.

If he's an official EX as in you guys were dating, titles and the like then I'd designate him 5th house. Which actually makes a lot of sense as you said in the previous thread you guys ended it because of his personal (family) issues. Him being Venus in his own sign shows he was very much into himself BUT he's right on the edge of changing signs so his focus will probably shift. You are Jupiter and the moon. You're in your 8th showing that you are upset over the ending of the relationship. From his 1st you are in his 4th which is also the house of endings. I believe the separation from Mercury to Jupiter is based on the last time you guys communicated. I say that because Mercury is his 3rd house ruler also funnily enough Mercury is in YOUR house of endings as well. So if my timing is right you guys last talked about 9 days ago and he's been quiet ever since?

A few things to note, your moon being in the 1st would signal confusion about the whole situation. ALSO moon conjunct Pluto is about strong emotions unfortunately the sad ones, also Pluto being in your first means you'll be in some sort of isolation and alone (or as least feeling that way). The end of the matter is Mars square Jupiter, I almost want to say it may pick back up because mars rules his 7th house. BUT note that it IS in his 12th which means it will remain hidden and will probably break up again in about 5 mos.

Outside of horary, it was that on-off thing we were talking about in your first thread. I feel that that will pretty much be the nature of the relationship unless you or he completely walks away.

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posted April 13, 2015 05:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i don't have time to reply now but i just wanted to say, Yes! he last wrote on the 3rd of April!

<3 u!

back tonight.

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posted April 13, 2015 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok... I'm back now.

So, yes. You were right! It had been 9 days before I asked the question that he stopped communicating.

I don't know if I'm upset about this being over. I mean, I'm resigned to the fact that we are just not compatible. I knew that pretty much from the very begining.

It does bother me that he wants to end all communication though. In that sense, yes, I feel abandoned and isolated from his life. I don't really like that. In hindsight, had I known I could have a 10/11 month "affair" (I guess 10 months is an affair?) or had him as a friend for longer, I would have choosen to be his friend.

Yes. One of the things that I didn't really like was that he was really 100% focused on his issues. What tipped the scales for me was I needed him for a crap crap crap week I had he was no where to be found.

And I see how 5th house works out perfectly in your interpretation! Well done!


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posted April 15, 2015 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow i'm gobsmacked that astrology can pinpoint when two people last spoke with one another!! that's crazy

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LucieLemonade
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posted April 16, 2015 06:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by EmGem:
wow i'm gobsmacked that astrology can pinpoint when two people last spoke with one another!! that's crazy

I know! It's the crazy things like that that sort of freak me out! LoL
I just wish I could learn faster!! Haven't had time to do the practice one.


I asked if he was seeing someone else but I'm too afraid to look. Knowing him he probably is.

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