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EmpressMendez
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posted April 26, 2015 12:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would you like to exchange horary read for a Tarot read? If so, here's my chart:

I asked if me and "x" would be getting back together again. The answer I got was a "no", but I wanted to make sure, since I don't remember too much about horary.

I'm Saturn rx in Jupiter 11th house of network/hopes + dreams. He's the Moon in Leo 7th house cusp? He will be conjunct Jupiter within 5 units (Idk what it means though!?). Maybe it's about his car. I had to order a part for him online and it just arrived. He has to come pick up soon, but idk when he will come by to get it.

We had a friends w benefits relationship on and off for a year and 2 months, but I decided to end it 2 days ago for good. I told him I couldn't keep seeing him so casually..I wanted more, and he just said he's not ready. But we're still friends and talk.

Moon is in Leo where Saturn is in "detriment" so as far as reception goes it shows that Saturn doesn't feel welcomed by the Moon, right? Saturn in Leo = detriment, so does that mean that I don't like him enough or vice versa according to your rules of reception?? Just wondering because I really do like him even though he "rejected" me in a sense. I still have deep feelings for him and don't feel heartbroken or sad about things at all, which scares me. I don't want to get depressed over this, and so far so good. I am very happy for some reason + I'm still very much in love w/ him, but seems per chart and him telling me he's not "ready" for a relationship that he just doesn't feel the same. So this makes me think it's him (Moon in Leo) that rejects Saturn, right?

Ok, sorry for rambling. Hope to return the favor!

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posted April 26, 2015 03:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Exchange with pleasure!

You are correct, no applying aspect means no future action of that sort anytime soon.

First good point is that it is just after 3˚ so it's relatively early. But the cross is Cardinal, so I get the feeling this will resolve itself quickly.

Another good point is that the moon is 'positively besieged' - so I think things were good before, got bad, and somehow will get better again (though there is a change of houses to get there).

Note: Some say it is only positively besieged when it is in the same sign, others believe it needs to be within the orb of each planet, but I'm still testing that. I believe it could be enough to be the only planet in between.

PlutoRx in your first makes you look like you're feeling very vulnerable with regards to this situation.

If I would guess from the chart, there was possibly deception/lies/illusion involved with this scenario. Neptune is also at the degrees of the nodes right now, insinuating that this was some kind of karmic catastrophe. Seems like it is linked to you. (Did you cause this break? or did you just find out about/realize something?) There needs to be some adjustments regarding whatever this is, probably by both of you. Work is required.

You are Rx... so, regarding the entire scenario you are likely to change your mind. All of this confuses me. You asked the question, but he wants this more than you, and you are likely to change your mind... You are in the house of friendship; he is in the house of partnership/enemies. I'm confused about what is going on here. Are you wanting to walk away, but used to being with him? It seems that what you really want is truth and freedom.

I so see some things coming up. The moon's final aspect is with Uranus. Usually Uranus is a negative event, but with a trine, it might turn out okay.

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posted April 26, 2015 03:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Exchange with pleasure!

You are correct, no applying aspect means no future action of that sort anytime soon.

First good point is that it is just after 3˚ so it's relatively early. But the cross is Cardinal, so I get the feeling this will resolve itself quickly.

Another good point is that the moon is 'positively besieged' - so I think things were good before, got bad, and somehow will get better again (though there is a change of houses to get there).

Note: Some say it is only positively besieged when it is in the same sign, others believe it needs to be within the orb of each planet, but I'm still testing that. I believe it could be enough to be the only planet in between.

PlutoRx in your first makes you look like you're feeling very vulnerable with regards to this situation.

If I would guess from the chart, there was possibly deception/lies/illusion involved with this scenario. Neptune is also at the degrees of the nodes right now, insinuating that this was some kind of karmic catastrophe. Seems like it is linked to you. (Did you cause this break? or did you just find out about/realize something?) There needs to be some adjustments regarding whatever this is, probably by both of you. Work is required.

You are Rx... so, regarding the entire scenario you are likely to change your mind. All of this confuses me. You asked the question, but he wants this more than you, and you are likely to change your mind... You are in the house of friendship; he is in the house of partnership/enemies. I'm confused about what is going on here. Are you wanting to walk away, but used to being with him? It seems that what you really want is truth and freedom.

I so see some things coming up. The moon's final aspect is with Uranus. Usually Uranus is a negative event, but with a trine, it might turn out okay.

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posted April 26, 2015 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by appleberry:
Exchange with pleasure!

You are correct, no applying aspect means no future action of that sort anytime soon.

First good point is that it is just after 3˚ so it's relatively early. But the cross is Cardinal, so I get the feeling this will resolve itself quickly.

Another good point is that the moon is 'positively besieged' - so I think things were good before, got bad, and somehow will get better again (though there is a change of houses to get there).

Note: Some say it is only positively besieged when it is in the same sign, others believe it needs to be within the orb of each planet, but I'm still testing that. I believe it could be enough to be the only planet in between.

PlutoRx in your first makes you look like you're feeling very vulnerable with regards to this situation.

If I would guess from the chart, there was possibly deception/lies/illusion involved with this scenario. Neptune is also at the degrees of the nodes right now, insinuating that this was some kind of karmic catastrophe. Seems like it is linked to you. (Did you cause this break? or did you just find out about/realize something?) There needs to be some adjustments regarding whatever this is, probably by both of you. Work is required.

You are Rx... so, regarding the entire scenario you are likely to change your mind. All of this confuses me. You asked the question, but he wants this more than you, and you are likely to change your mind... You are in the house of friendship; he is in the house of partnership/enemies. I'm confused about what is going on here. Are you wanting to walk away, but used to being with him? It seems that what you really want is truth and freedom.

I so see some things coming up. The moon's final aspect is with Uranus. Usually Uranus is a negative event, but with a trine, it might turn out okay.


Thanks for all this info! Nice . Okay, let me know your question for Tarot.

Do you feel you know what Jupiter may mean here?

I want to walk away, but I love the sex (lol, sorry). It has been the best sex I've ever had. I believe he has had better and doesn't feel mutual about it because if he liked it as much as I did he would want a relationship with me :/ - that's how I feel. So I told him I won't be doing this fwb/having sex with him any longer until he gives me the "title".

I do feel very vulnerable and feel like I can change my time any minute when I see him in front of me [tempting]. Yes, I caused the break. We always kept it honest with each other and when we first started I didn't want a relationship/something deeper, but he did at the time [but I guess wasn't that serious about it]. I left him last year for around 5 months without telling him why and no communication between us until end of the year (it was for this same reason - I want a relationship).

Basically, I want us to continue doing what we're doing (Fwb thing) but more "official" - Facebook official, lol if that makes sense. I just want him to be more open about us being together/in a couple. I want to feel safe/secure about us and to make sure he's not sleeping/messing, etc with no one else - that's what I want, and I will be satisfied/happy for a while, heh.

In horary charts I usually always come up as Saturn (either Aquarius rising or Cap rising chart) in the 9th house. I am Aquarius rising and I believe he is Leo rising, not entirely sure though (Moon in Leo).

Oh, and I do live with my ex, but we're separated. "x" Didn't mention him, but maybe it might be an obstacle in us being "officially" together.

Thanks again. Let me know your question for Tarot :]

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posted April 27, 2015 02:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your honesty about your situation is lovely, no blushing needed... I have no problem with what I hear, I just don't want to ask things that will make people uncomfortable. But maybe that Pluto is really there for another reason? Lol...

But on a sad note perhaps the illusion I mentioned belongs to the idea that things can be different, that a real relationship could develop out of this. It's more common for scenarios like that to end up in heartbreak than commitment.

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posted April 27, 2015 02:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jupiter, it's lord of your 3rd and 12th. I can't say for sure what it is. Jupiter is usually good. It's in your 8th house... maybe you'll have 'one for the road' if you do decide to end it... I'm not sure about that though... I'm not sure if your Rx means that you'll change your mind and go back (cuz you're not with him now, right) or change your mind and leave...

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posted April 27, 2015 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Jupiter, it's lord of your 3rd and 12th. I can't say for sure what it is. Jupiter is usually good. It's in your 8th house... maybe you'll have 'one for the road' if you do decide to end it... I'm not sure about that though... I'm not sure if your Rx means that you'll change your mind and go back (cuz you're not with him now, right) or change your mind and leave...

Ok, hopefully I can let you know what it means soon. Yes, I'm not with him and not planning on sleeping with him either until he takes me seriously (which I doubt he will). We still have friendly talks and are friends on Facebook though.

Just wish he would fall in love with me. Oh well.. =/

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posted April 27, 2015 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"...Give me the strength to change the things I can, and to accept the things I cannot." Not everything is meant to be.

It's possible that Mr. Right is just outside your front door waiting to be let in, but you're ignoring his knock because you're preoccupied at the back door with Mr. Wrong... Sometimes it's better to slam the door on Mr. Wrong so that you can attend to Mr. Right.

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posted April 28, 2015 05:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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"...Give me the strength to change the things I can, and to accept the things I cannot." Not everything is meant to be.

It's possible that Mr. Right is just outside your front door waiting to be let in, but you're ignoring his knock because you're preoccupied at the back door with Mr. Wrong... Sometimes it's better to slam the door on Mr. Wrong so that you can attend to Mr. Right.


Very true. That's what I've been trying to do since July 2014 when I left him for 5 whole months (and didn't tell him why - just blocked him everywhere..he still tried to contact, but I ignored).

Now we've been "on" since Dec. I tried ending it a week ago and today I let temptation knock on my door .

So that's what Saturn being rx may mean..that I won't let him go entirely. We spent the night together -sigh- (he keeps sending me msgs and seducing me), so I became so weak tonight that I gave in. I've missed him so much..lol.

So this is what it may mean, appleberry. The main reason I did spend time with him was because he bought me something..otherwise I wouldn't have..ugh.

Sorry for rambling, but this is so difficult. At this rate he might never take me serious and just think I'm always "bluffing". I will def. try my best to be tough on him though.

Only lasted 1 week on this "break". Hopefully next time I'll last until he decides to finally take me serious.

Thanks again appleberry for your help.

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posted April 28, 2015 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Trust me, I know how hard this is. I've had similar. In the end you realize just how unspecial these guys really are; you're addicted to something about him. You know you need out cuz if he was going to make it official, he would have already. He's not treating you like Mrs Right, just Mrs Right Now. That's a horrible feeling.

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posted April 28, 2015 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Trust me, I know how hard this is. I've had similar. In the end you realize just how unspecial these guys really are; you're addicted to something about him. You know you need out cuz if he was going to make it official, he would have already. He's not treating you like Mrs Right, just Mrs Right Now. That's a horrible feeling.

Yes, but unfortunately I've convinced myself that I'm just hopelessly in love with him. Definitely the feeling isn't mutual because if it were he would care about keeping me to himself only, but nothing.

Will def. tell him I have feelings for him next time he brings up wanting to see me. Let's see how that goes..

I'll keep you updated and will try to get your reading done asap

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posted April 29, 2015 12:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh dear... I think he already knows you have feelings for him, that's why he knows you'll always take him back even though he doesn't reciprocate.

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posted April 29, 2015 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Oh dear... I think he already knows you have feelings for him, that's why he knows you'll always take him back even though he doesn't reciprocate.

I never told him how I truly feel about him (that I'm in love with him, or that I like him a lot). I never initiate contact - he is always the one to initiate - and I mean always. I just don't want to show him how much I am into him because then he'll start using that to his advantage (even more, I guess).

So the few times I've tried being "Flirty" with him, or letting him know a hint (like telling him I'm thinking about him) he takes it as a joke - a simple joke =/. So I'm not entirely sure he knows the extent of my feelings since I hide them really well from him..I usually act cold/aloof with him =/.

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I get the feeling he does that but he's playing dumb so he doesn't have to admit he's in the wrong....

Well, you should do what you feel right about doing, but I'm getting the feeling that he's a classic user playing dumb so he can blame it on you and say you led yourself on...

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posted April 29, 2015 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I get the feeling he does that but he's playing dumb so he doesn't have to admit he's in the wrong....

Well, you should do what you feel right about doing, but I'm getting the feeling that he's a classic user playing dumb so he can blame it on you and say you led yourself on...


When we first met he wanted a relationship, but I didn't. I told him he was too young and I usually like guys who are prepared for the future and have an education, etc (their life somewhat together, which he doesn't). Plus, he's not the "intelligent" type I usually go for. To be honest with you when we first met was strictly on business purposes. He's 7 years younger than me, so I always had that as a huge obstacle between us, plus he's not prepared when it comes to career/education, etc, so that always held me back and turned me off a lot (I told him this last year). So that's why he kind of put up a wall after that.

Then on top of that I left without saying a word for 4/5 months. So I don't think he will jump into a relationship with me knowing that I can do that (just walk away). I don't know, I'd like to think of it that way because it's true..I never initiate contact or act as interested as I truly am towards him. I can go days without uttering a word to him, but I'm still in love with him.

After I tell him how I truly feel I'll definitely plan to stop seeing him for good if he doesn't take the appropriate steps. At least I feel like I have full control here .

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posted June 28, 2015 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Update again just for studies purposes. The last time we "did it" was the 11th..had a moment of weakness there, but I definitely changed my mind again. He came to visit me the 15th and I ended up telling him no because I was "tired" (in part true, but not the real reason why I didn't do it with him - of course). The last time we saw each other was the 17th when he did a huge favor for me without me asking him to.

After that I tried initiating contact twice and twice he ignored me, so I give up. Guess he found someone else, or went back to his ex g.f. - not sure.

I now have better control of things, and really want to get over him for good already.

I asked again if we would be getting back together, and almost a similar scenario to this chart. This time Sun ended up being my significator, and Saturn his, which is rx! Lol..but it was applying a conjunction of 7 degrees to my co-significator of Moon, so I think we will talk/see each other again. I just don't want to give in to him without him giving me something that makes me feel appreciated, and truly wanted/secure -sigh-.

I know it's not good, or possibly not even all that accurate if you keep asking the same question in a short period, but just wanted to see what came up.

Venus and Jupiter which are conjunct ended up falling in my 1st house in the horary both conjunct the ascendant. I wonder what that could mean.

I might post the chart later. Blessings xox

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