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LostSoulRebecca
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posted April 30, 2015 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LostSoulRebecca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I asked the Q: ''Does he miss me?'' and I was trying to do some horary.

Firstly I looked for rulers – mine is Venus and then I looked for the ruler of 7th House so he is Mars (I took 7th, since we had strong emotional connection in past); I also (since are thoughts involved) read that Mercury should somehow be involved, but I wasn’t sure, if this here is the case…

BUT then I have noticed Saturn in 7th House and I remembered once that it was mentioned on LL, that if Saturn is in the 7th, the answer either is 'No' or can't be given – I am not sure what it was; I just remember that it meant something negative.

Does anyone have any insight on this?

Also, IF there would be no Saturn in 7th – I have noticed that he (Mars) is in my first; does this automatically means that I think more of him than he of me?

Thank you in advance!

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LostSoulRebecca
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posted April 30, 2015 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LostSoulRebecca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, could Sun conj Asc have any meaning in horary?
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posted April 30, 2015 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LostSoulRebecca:
Also, could Sun conj Asc have any meaning in horary?
Thank you!

Yes, it can mean a few things:
- it's a significant question
- someone of authority is involved
- the issue at hand will be resolved quickly
- good fortune to the querent, if it's well aspected


For your reference: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum36/HTML/000550.html

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posted April 30, 2015 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LostSoulRebecca:

I remembered once that it was mentioned on LL, that if Saturn is in the 7th, the answer either is 'No' or can't be given – I am not sure what it was; I just remember that it meant something negative.

(Mars) is in my first; does this automatically means that I think more of him than he of me?



In relationship questions, 7th house Saturn isn't necessarily a consideration, it may be describing a significator.

I'm not entirely sure this should be a 7th house question though- you haven't dated or been intimate, I assume. For me, that has never been enough to make it 7th house. You can have emotional connections with 11th, 5th, 4th, etc...

7th house Saturn is often said to cause disruption and confusion for the reader... that might be the issue here.

If he is Mars (Lord of the 7th) then him being in your house kind of directly states that he is thinking of you. Same goes for Sun (Lord of the 5th) if he is ruled by Sun.

However, it looks like a yes regardless of whether it's a 7th or 5th house question. 5th house looks nicer... 5th holds a benefic, 7th a malefic.

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posted May 02, 2015 01:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LostSoulRebecca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much for so many useful information, appleberry!! I am really grateful! It was really helpful together with all those links that you put in other threades.

However, when you will have time, I would kindly ask also for some other information, based on your own experiences

1) You have mentioned that for emotional connections other houses can be used to; 11th, 4th and so on. How would you determine, which house to use in one’s case? Would you always look only on what kind of relationship the querent HAD with the person that is involved in question? Or is it also important in what kind of relationship are they now (for example: before they were close friends – 11th house; now they are sort of enemies – 7th house)

2) Sun conjuncts ASC and planets in 1st House; I took a look into upper chart again and I see Sun, Mars and Mercury all in 1st House, Sun conjunct ASC; all explanation for those planets have something to do with speed; all are saying that changes should be quick, answers should be given soon – am I right? Now, does this mean, that the answer to my question will soon be known to me? Could that be the case here? Or have you seen for this kind of situations other ways of manifesting?

3) Neptune is exact; I know, that slowly moving planets usually aren’t used in horary, but I have noticed that Neptune is doing exact sextile to Sun on ASC. There has been said, that Neptune has to do with confusion, delusion or sensitivity can be indicated; could Neptune here with an exact sextile to the Sun have any meaning or could somehow influence Sun or me (as the querent in 1st house)?


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posted May 02, 2015 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LostSoulRebecca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh and at the very end you have mentioned planets in houses; 5th house looks nicer because of Jupiter there, Saturn makes 7th House a bit ‘not that nice’. Could that also indicate sort of feelings that (in this case he) person has for the querent?
For example: if I say that my question is 5th House matter and I see Jupiter there and the ruler of 5th is in my 1st – can I say, that he misses me and that his feelings towards me are positive? ON THE OTHER HAND; if I say that my question is 7th House matter and I see Saturn there and the ruler of 7th is in my 1st – should I assume that he thinks of me but his feelings towards me are negative?

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posted May 02, 2015 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LostSoulRebecca:
Oh and at the very end you have mentioned planets in houses; 5th house looks nicer because of Jupiter there, Saturn makes 7th House a bit ‘not that nice’. Could that also indicate sort of feelings that (in this case he) person has for the querent?
For example: if I say that my question is 5th House matter and I see Jupiter there and the ruler of 5th is in my 1st – can I say, that he misses me and that his feelings towards me are positive? ON THE OTHER HAND; if I say that my question is 7th House matter and I see Saturn there and the ruler of 7th is in my 1st – should I assume that he thinks of me but his feelings towards me are negative?

I would look to the house placement of the Significator as well as the sign the Significator is in to determine the feelings or what is on the mind of the person represented by the Significator.

Saturn vs Jupiter in this case the main point is malefic vs benefic... it is always better to have a benefic in any house of concern to the question. It concerns the weight of the testimony concerning the outcome of the question. Benefics help lead to a positive outcome, malefics help lead to a negative outcome (provided they are not representing a the querent or quesited directly).

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posted May 02, 2015 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^
1. Almost any house can be about emotional connection if we turn the chart. Every question is read as a whole, in the context of the question. I decide which house to use based on the understanding of the scenario. Choosing houses can be extremely difficult because we are using rules that were derived centuries ago in a different culture, in different times. Society has changed so the rules can seem a bit awkward for certain questions. It is important to start to translate the rules to the 'energy' they represent in the context of the time and culture you live in. (This might be difficult to understand - I'll see if I can explain it more later).
'HAD'... not really. The question is about 'now' so the house choice should reflect the 'now'... but that gets very complicated. Ultimately, you look to what role they actually play now, not what role you want them to play in the future. Horary doesn't care about what you want; it only cares about what is. (I would use 7th for your enemy.)

2. It's definitely adding a layer of information to read the planets in the first house for that. You have to read in the context of the question, and know that anything can have different meanings in different ways that you are reading. Any planet can represent or be involved in more than one layer of meaning. For the timing that you ask, you can look at the planets as influencers on timing, but also look at the timing rules and the cross axis for clues on that subject. "Balance the weight of testimonies and choose what is greater in weight to answer your question".

3. Outer planets work better as influencers for me. I generally don't bother to look at aspects with influencers other than tighter conjunctions. Sextile is a weaker aspect so I don't think it would add much to the result. It's up to you whether you want to give it much weight. Some modern readers take it into consideration. But, what then does a 'sextile' mean to you in horary, because it's not exactly the same between natal readings and horary. Sextile in horary means 'the possibility exists' (opportunity, success with effort). Sextiles should also have reception and dignity to have much meaning for main significators, let alone a planet that doesn't have much to do with the context of the question.

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LostSoulRebecca
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posted May 02, 2015 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LostSoulRebecca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, gosh. A lot to process. So much to learn.

Thank you on that appleberry!!

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LostSoulRebecca
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posted May 05, 2015 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LostSoulRebecca     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Appleberry, anoter Q.

I asked for a different man'Does he think of me?' and I got Saturn in 1st house. Does this mean that I can't read that chart? I believe, that I read somewhere, that Saturn in 1st isnt good for reading - can confuse the reader of a chart...

Thank you for help!

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