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hannaramaa
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posted August 30, 2015 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I cast the chart I went with the question I had in my heart vs. one I have been wondering. I was hoping we could answer them both with one chart, maybe we can.

Overall this chart is abojt me wondering if I am right not to trust someone. He is strictly a friend (gay) so no sexual attraction is there. I feel this guy is manipulative and I rarely feel he is genuine. He annoys me. I am wondering if there's anything in horary that can say "Yes, yoh are right he's deceitful in character" or not.

My OTHER question was wondering if it is over between me and a guy I've cared about for a long time. We live long distance and haven't spoken for a year now. Theres been nothing sexual between us. We have indirectly kept in touch through social media but even that seems to be fading so I am wondering if we are going our separate ways for good.

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posted August 30, 2015 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For the first question I went with the 2nd house to represent my feelings. It's unorthodox but that's what I'm all about 😁, plus whenever I do that it seems to make sense. For instance here, not only is Pluto in my 2nd but Saturn is in my first. That alone would tell me I feel strongly about the question, and matter at hand. I believe I'm right, rather.

To represent ethics, and what's right or wrong I figure the 9th house. By a smidgen, it's The Moon. I know we also need a signifcator for the guy friend which I assume is Venus in the 11th. Now, I see Moon trining Saturn, but Moon and Venus are hardly aspecting. This seems representative that me and this guy are not close or maybe we don't really care for each other since both the signifcators are the traditional, feminine, receptive planets.

He, though, is in my 9th house - on trial! But his 11th, so he perhaps does see me as a friend or at least an ally.

I know typically my real signifcator would be Mars since it's the ASC and Venus and Mars are conjuncting, so im not sure what that means in relation to my first question though (I mean since they are applying and not separating) - an argument?

As for my 2nd question, well Venus conjunct Mars looks great, right? The fact we're in the 9th hojse together would represent we're learning from one another? Unless I use the 7th house to signify the subject of the second question... Oh, which would still be Taurus.

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posted August 30, 2015 07:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Hannaramaa,

i wholeheartedly thank You for Your trust in me.

But unfortunately i will not assist You in this horary.


The horoscope shows no Aim on Your horary.

Saturn on Asc = bad
3rd lord on Asc = bad
Moon in 5h is not aspected by any planet. = bad
1st debilitated in 9th = bad
7th retro in 9th = bad
3rd aspects 9th = bad
Ascendant not aspected by any benefic = bad
Ascendant aspected by Moon(9th lord/ 3rd from 7th) = bad

In short:
There is no aim in Your questions.
You are up to chit-chat (3rd lord on Asc) a little bit about love without serious intention (Moon in 5th/ not aspected), just to get attention (Sun on MC)


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Dear Hannaramaa,

I love and respect You, but be so kind and do not ask any questions without any serious intention.

I could answer Your question, but i wont.
i will not even assist You and will not tell You how to read Your chart.

Unfortunately Your previous observations about Your horary are completly wrong and misinterpreted by You , quote:

"I went with the 2nd house to represent my feelings."

"not only is Pluto in my 2nd but Saturn is in my first. That alone would tell me I feel strongly about the question"

"I believe I'm right, rather."

"To represent ethics, and what's right or wrong I figure the 9th house. By a smidgen, it's The Moon"

"He, though, is in my 9th house - on trial! But his 11th, so he perhaps does see me as a friend or at least an ally."

"As for my 2nd question, well Venus conjunct Mars looks great, right? The fact we're in the 9th hojse together would represent we're learning from one another? "

"Unless I use the 7th house to signify the subject of the second question"


Your interpretations are completely self-deceiving and Your gay friend is just a mirror of Your own behaviour.

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Dear and well-thought-of Hannaramaa,
i will not help You in this horary and will not even assist You to read Your chart, unless You will learn to be sincere in Your intentions.

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posted August 30, 2015 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Maximus,

I was very sincere with my intentions but I fear you trust astrology so much that you've lost sight of it's limitations. Thank you for your help in the community thus far but I will refrain from asking you for any more help.

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posted August 30, 2015 07:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I understood!

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Dear Hannaramaa,

I will always be ready to be helpful to You in any way, if it will be a serious matter.

Yours faithfully

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posted September 05, 2015 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump for Appleberry whenever you have time.

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posted September 05, 2015 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Hanna...

Just looking at this now. I think having two questions at once throws me a little, but I'll try to work on one at a time without thinking about the other.

First, I'm trying to decide on the house cusps based on the information provided.

The first noticeable point is the Sun-Neptune opposition on the axis. Maybe you are more worried about this than you should be, or maybe it's just highlighting how confusing this all is for you. Neptune on the 4th cusp is probably not great, especially poorly aspected, so I'm not too confident about the positivity of this chart based on those.

Unfortunately, Saturn in the 1st is never really good unless it stands for a house cusp/person in use, which I think it might be... which I would gather to be your first question about the 'truth' of that feeling. Or, 'is that rumor true' kind of feeling... So, if you agree with me that your first question is asking a lot about the deceitfulness of this persons communications with you - then I would say that it is true. If you are asking more about him as a person... then I still feel confused and am not sure I can answer... It seems like he should be represented by the 7th house because you almost speak of him like an enemy than anything else. (But, if he is 7th house, then Venus is Rx... things could turn around).

The other question... kind of looks like there will be a re-connection (via technology) shortly... I see something coming back. So, can't say it will last, but there seems to be a return. Venus has gone direct since you asked this question. Based on the chart, I would say that if you are to come together, you are the one that has to make it happen. I would say he was 'stationary' and waiting for you... does that make sense? Perhaps I'm wrong about that.

Do you two share a talent? Seems like you share a passion and that is how this connection is brought together.

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posted September 05, 2015 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by appleberry:
Hi Hanna...

The first noticeable point is the Sun-Neptune opposition on the axis. Maybe you are more worried about this than you should be, or maybe it's just highlighting how confusing this all is for you. Neptune on the 4th cusp is probably not great, especially poorly aspected, so I'm not too confident about the positivity of this chart based on those.

Unfortunately, Saturn in the 1st is never really good unless it stands for a house cusp/person in use, which I think it might be... which I would gather to be your first question about the 'truth' of that feeling. Or, 'is that rumor true' kind of feeling... So, if you agree with me that your first question is asking a lot about the deceitfulness of this persons communications with you - then I would say that it is true. If you are asking more about him as a person... then I still feel confused and am not sure I can answer... It seems like he should be represented by the 7th house because you almost speak of him like an enemy than anything else. (But, if he is 7th house, then Venus is Rx... things could turn around).

The other question... kind of looks like there will be a re-connection (via technology) shortly... I see something coming back. So, can't say it will last, but there seems to be a return. Venus has gone direct since you asked this question. Based on the chart, I would say that if you are to come together, you are the one that has to make it happen. I would say he was 'stationary' and waiting for you... does that make sense? Perhaps I'm wrong about that.

Do you two share a talent? Seems like you share a passion and that is how this connection is brought together.


I was really concentrated on it. It bugs me because I cannot decide if he is a friend or enemy! His vibe confuses me and I think my vibe confuses him. I think he is trying to get inside my head and he doesn't see "ME", which annoys me. So, your confusion is very much understandable. Thank you for pointing out what you used too for my future reference. I ALWAYS forget 7th house is open enemies! Good thinking. In addition, the Venus conjunct Mars in applying aspect was confusing for the first question. Unless that means something could turn it around (is that what you meant?)

Yes there was a slight reconnection via technology. Yes, I would probably have to initiate but I ALWAYS initiate and after 4 years I am TIRED of it. It's like he throws the bate via social media and then I'm supposed to pick it up. It's unhealthy. Anyway, yes waiting for me sounds quite accurate. Is it good someone waits for you vs. being proactive though?

We have things in common (sometimes on an eerie level) but I don't know that we share a talent. We both love psychology and have the same political views, both write. Lol so yes I suppose we share a talent.


Big thanks Appleberry! Thank you thank you.

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posted September 06, 2015 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that was why it was hard for me to fit him into a house, because I couldn't figure out what he was to you either. Enemy was the only thing that made sense. It does seem like it should be a 3rd house question the more you explain though, because it's almost like you are asking whether the communications are truthful IN ORDER TO determine where he fits into your life. I feel like the chart says the communications are NOT truthful, so that probably helps you figure out where to place him in your life... perhaps at a distance so you don't get hurt.

I feel you on the guy thing. As much as I expect to live in a post-modern feminist world and be able to take the reign in every area of my life without contempt from others, I don't want to do ALL the work ALL the time... in relationships either... Seducing is fun, but being seduced is more fun sometimes... so they have to take the lead at least 50% of the time or I drop them out of boredom. In the back of my mind I say... If I'm doing all the work, then he better be paying all the bills, literally or metaphorically, as you wish... if he wants 50-50 in some ways but then dumps 100% on me in others... that's too pathetic for me... I look down on that with disrespect and ditch him... Good matches meet you in the middle, so don't feel bad about throwing this fish back into the sea if that is what your gut is telling you. His emotional insecurity or user attitude is not your problem... whatever it is that is making him this way with you... And remember that beautiful fish don't play where the bloodsuckers prey... You'll never get a good one if you let the bad ones hang around - even if just in your mind.

The talent thing I wrote as a question because I saw something that comes up often that I can't completely figure out for myself. It has to do with bQ connections in horary... I never find much written on them that helps me figure out that energy but, as in natal, they have a connection to talent in a certain way and they have been showing up in many horary charts of mine in a way that relates to talent as well. My life is full of talented people though so maybe that's what's throwing me... thank you for the feedback on that because it seems I should expand my range of thought on that. I do consider writing a talent in most cases though

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posted September 07, 2015 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by appleberry:
I think that was why it was hard for me to fit him into a house, because I couldn't figure out what he was to you either. Enemy was the only thing that made sense. It does seem like it should be a 3rd house question the more you explain though, because it's almost like you are asking whether the communications are truthful IN ORDER TO determine where he fits into your life. I feel like the chart says the communications are NOT truthful, so that probably helps you figure out where to place him in your life... perhaps at a distance so you don't get hurt.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm asking but didn't know how to word it either. In any case my intuition is off the charts regarding him, and it's easy to keep him there. He's an acquaintance at best (plus it's interesting how you can see people clearer the farther they are from you. He is such a phony and it's comical).

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The talent thing I wrote as a question because I saw something that comes up often that I can't completely figure out for myself. It has to do with bQ connections in horary... I never find much written on them that helps me figure out that energy but, as in natal, they have a connection to talent in a certain way and they have been showing up in many horary charts of mine in a way that relates to talent as well. My life is full of talented people though so maybe that's what's throwing me... thank you for the feedback on that because it seems I should expand my range of thought on that. I do consider writing a talent in most cases though

Cool, didn't know we gave value to bQ aspects! So generally speaking you'd say they stand for a connection between two people on some level / something they have in common?

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posted September 07, 2015 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Horary doesn't usually acknowledge minor aspects but since you had two together (w moon and Chiron) I wanted to ask for my own understanding... It still seems to follow the same pattern so I think it's useful in horary. It might help to look at those aspect... Maybe they can shed light on the problems you have with him.

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