posted January 02, 2017 09:22 PM            

- She's the moon and the 5th house ruler (house of kids) is Venus and both Venus and the moon are in the 9th house, but Venus is at the last degree of Aquarius, so it's in a different sign than the Pisces moon. I also consider the significators too far apart to be conjunct.

- The asteroid "Child" in the 10th house trines and is applying to the Vertex (in the 5th house...) almost exactly, but squares Juno and is separating from the square.

- Jupiter is in the 5th house and conjuncts the 5th house cusp which could indicate many kids.

posted January 03, 2017 07:59 AM            

So the 11th house is where she is located, so she is Mars. The 3rd house then becomes HER 5th house. So the child or pregnancy is signified by Sun.

Sun is sextile Mars, but with 1 degree separating, which is interesting. So yes it could be she is being pregnant, but actually would have fallen pregnant about 1 day/ week/ month ago.

Moon is also applying to conjunct Mars, and it`s happening in Pisces, a pretty fertile sign.

WEll Sun itself is in a barren sign and is peregrine, so not very strongly placed.
Interestingly Mars is exalted in Capricorn, so it is as if the "child" really wants her, whatever that means in terms of the question. lol
her significator in Pisces is reasonably strong, but not very interested in Sun, th echild, if there is one at least.

Nevertheless there IS a direct aspect and one from Moon to Mars, so it could really be she is being pregnant, though I find pregnancy horaries always difficult. lol

Anyway for horaries you should do away with all the asteroids, no matter how fitting they seem.

I found this of indications of pregnancy:
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/pregnancy.html

"Pregnancy is shown by some kind of promising aspect (conjunction, sextile, trine or square) between the asc-ruler or Moon with the 5th house ruler."
ASC in this instance is not the chart`s ASC but the houses that signifies HER, so the 11th house cusp is her ASC.

So 5th house ruler (Sun) has just separated from a sextile to ASC-ruler (Mars)
Moon is going to apply to a sextile with the 5th house ruler within 5 degrees, though will conjunct Mars, the ASC-ruler even sooner.

" (Be careful, however, if the 5th-ruler is applying to, or is in aspect with, an unfortunate or detrimented planet as this will suggest difficulties and problems.)"
This is not the case.

Other positive indications are:

o Fruitful signs upon the ascendant or 5th cusp (Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces).
No, ASC/ 11th house is Aries, 5th cusp is Leo.

o 5th-ruler or Moon in 1st house.
no

o 1st-ruler or Moon in 5th house.
no

o 1st-ruler in 1st, 5th, 10th or 11th house, if it aspects well-placed benefics and Jupiter is strong in the chart.
no

o The above, but with 1st-ruler in 4th or 7th house, suggesting that pregnancy will occur but will be delayed.
no

o Benefic planets in the 1st house, or angular, or in a promising aspect with 1st-ruler (look for Jupiter, Venus or Sun well placed, dignified and direct, and preferably in a sextile or trine with a principal significator).
don`t think so

"o Jupiter in the ascendant or free from affliction in a strong house (providing it is not in a barren sign - see below). "

Jupiter is in her 7th house - interesting.
not barren

o The asc in a fixed sign with a fortune placed in the first house or the 5th-ruler strong in the asc or MC.
no

o Venus in the 5th, free from affliction.
no

"Lilly also mentions another method of judging pregnancy using the planet from which the Moon last separated and that to which it next applies: if the Moon's last planet rules the 5th sign from the position of the Moon's next planet, and there is an application or aspect between the two, the pregnancy will be successful. If this is the case but there is no aspect, yet the planet to which the Moon applies is angular, the pregnancy will be successful. He also notes that if the dispositor of the main significator is well placed and strong it increases the arguments for success. "
okay that sounds complicated. lol

So Moon separated from Mercury and applies to Mars.
there is no connection bewteen Mars and Mercury though.

5th house cusp is in a barren sign btw.

So hmm, not really sure. Seems there are some indications against it, but there is also the fact that there is a rather strong direct aspect between ASC-ruler and 5th house ruler as well as Moon to ASC-ruler, in a fertile sign.

posted January 03, 2017 12:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Actually she is Mars, as you phrased your question: "Is MY FRIEND pregnant?"

So the 11th house is where she is located, so she is Mars. The 3rd house then becomes HER 5th house. So the child or pregnancy is signified by Sun.

Sun is sextile Mars, but with 1 degree separating, which is interesting. So yes it could be she is being pregnant, but actually would have fallen pregnant about 1 day/ week/ month ago.

Moon is also applying to conjunct Mars, and it`s happening in Pisces, a pretty fertile sign.

WEll Sun itself is in a barren sign and is peregrine, so not very strongly placed.
Interestingly Mars is exalted in Capricorn, so it is as if the "child" really wants her, whatever that means in terms of the question. lol
her significator in Pisces is reasonably strong, but not very interested in Sun, th echild, if there is one at least.

Nevertheless there IS a direct aspect and one from Moon to Mars, so it could really be she is being pregnant, though I find pregnancy horaries always difficult. lol

Anyway for horaries you should do away with all the asteroids, no matter how fitting they seem.

I found this of indications of pregnancy:
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/pregnancy.html

"Pregnancy is shown by some kind of promising aspect (conjunction, sextile, trine or square) between the asc-ruler or Moon with the 5th house ruler."
ASC in this instance is not the chart`s ASC but the houses that signifies HER, so the 11th house cusp is her ASC.

So 5th house ruler (Sun) has just separated from a sextile to ASC-ruler (Mars)
Moon is going to apply to a sextile with the 5th house ruler within 5 degrees, though will conjunct Mars, the ASC-ruler even sooner.

" (Be careful, however, if the 5th-ruler is applying to, or is in aspect with, an unfortunate or detrimented planet as this will suggest difficulties and problems.)"
This is not the case.

Other positive indications are:

o Fruitful signs upon the ascendant or 5th cusp (Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces).
No, ASC/ 11th house is Aries, 5th cusp is Leo.

o 5th-ruler or Moon in 1st house.
no

o 1st-ruler or Moon in 5th house.
no

o 1st-ruler in 1st, 5th, 10th or 11th house, if it aspects well-placed benefics and Jupiter is strong in the chart.
no

o The above, but with 1st-ruler in 4th or 7th house, suggesting that pregnancy will occur but will be delayed.
no

o Benefic planets in the 1st house, or angular, or in a promising aspect with 1st-ruler (look for Jupiter, Venus or Sun well placed, dignified and direct, and preferably in a sextile or trine with a principal significator).
don`t think so

"o Jupiter in the ascendant or free from affliction in a strong house (providing it is not in a barren sign - see below). "

Jupiter is in her 7th house - interesting.
not barren

o The asc in a fixed sign with a fortune placed in the first house or the 5th-ruler strong in the asc or MC.
no

o Venus in the 5th, free from affliction.
no

"Lilly also mentions another method of judging pregnancy using the planet from which the Moon last separated and that to which it next applies: if the Moon's last planet rules the 5th sign from the position of the Moon's next planet, and there is an application or aspect between the two, the pregnancy will be successful. If this is the case but there is no aspect, yet the planet to which the Moon applies is angular, the pregnancy will be successful. He also notes that if the dispositor of the main significator is well placed and strong it increases the arguments for success. "
okay that sounds complicated. lol

So Moon separated from Mercury and applies to Mars.
there is no connection bewteen Mars and Mercury though.

5th house cusp is in a barren sign btw.

So hmm, not really sure. Seems there are some indications against it, but there is also the fact that there is a rather strong direct aspect between ASC-ruler and 5th house ruler as well as Moon to ASC-ruler, in a fertile sign.

Let us know the outcome.

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posted January 03, 2017 12:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Actually she is Mars, as you phrased your question: "Is MY FRIEND pregnant?"

So the 11th house is where she is located, so she is Mars. The 3rd house then becomes HER 5th house. So the child or pregnancy is signified by Sun.

Sun is sextile Mars, but with 1 degree separating, which is interesting. So yes it could be she is being pregnant, but actually would have fallen pregnant about 1 day/ week/ month ago.

Moon is also applying to conjunct Mars, and it`s happening in Pisces, a pretty fertile sign.

WEll Sun itself is in a barren sign and is peregrine, so not very strongly placed.
Interestingly Mars is exalted in Capricorn, so it is as if the "child" really wants her, whatever that means in terms of the question. lol
her significator in Pisces is reasonably strong, but not very interested in Sun, th echild, if there is one at least.

Nevertheless there IS a direct aspect and one from Moon to Mars, so it could really be she is being pregnant, though I find pregnancy horaries always difficult. lol

Anyway for horaries you should do away with all the asteroids, no matter how fitting they seem.

I found this of indications of pregnancy:
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/pregnancy.html

"Pregnancy is shown by some kind of promising aspect (conjunction, sextile, trine or square) between the asc-ruler or Moon with the 5th house ruler."
ASC in this instance is not the chart`s ASC but the houses that signifies HER, so the 11th house cusp is her ASC.

So 5th house ruler (Sun) has just separated from a sextile to ASC-ruler (Mars)
Moon is going to apply to a sextile with the 5th house ruler within 5 degrees, though will conjunct Mars, the ASC-ruler even sooner.

" (Be careful, however, if the 5th-ruler is applying to, or is in aspect with, an unfortunate or detrimented planet as this will suggest difficulties and problems.)"
This is not the case.

Other positive indications are:

o Fruitful signs upon the ascendant or 5th cusp (Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces).
No, ASC/ 11th house is Aries, 5th cusp is Leo.

o 5th-ruler or Moon in 1st house.
no

o 1st-ruler or Moon in 5th house.
no

o 1st-ruler in 1st, 5th, 10th or 11th house, if it aspects well-placed benefics and Jupiter is strong in the chart.
no

o The above, but with 1st-ruler in 4th or 7th house, suggesting that pregnancy will occur but will be delayed.
no

o Benefic planets in the 1st house, or angular, or in a promising aspect with 1st-ruler (look for Jupiter, Venus or Sun well placed, dignified and direct, and preferably in a sextile or trine with a principal significator).
don`t think so

"o Jupiter in the ascendant or free from affliction in a strong house (providing it is not in a barren sign - see below). "

Jupiter is in her 7th house - interesting.
not barren

o The asc in a fixed sign with a fortune placed in the first house or the 5th-ruler strong in the asc or MC.
no

o Venus in the 5th, free from affliction.
no

"Lilly also mentions another method of judging pregnancy using the planet from which the Moon last separated and that to which it next applies: if the Moon's last planet rules the 5th sign from the position of the Moon's next planet, and there is an application or aspect between the two, the pregnancy will be successful. If this is the case but there is no aspect, yet the planet to which the Moon applies is angular, the pregnancy will be successful. He also notes that if the dispositor of the main significator is well placed and strong it increases the arguments for success. "
okay that sounds complicated. lol

So Moon separated from Mercury and applies to Mars.
there is no connection bewteen Mars and Mercury though.

5th house cusp is in a barren sign btw.

So hmm, not really sure. Seems there are some indications against it, but there is also the fact that there is a rather strong direct aspect between ASC-ruler and 5th house ruler as well as Moon to ASC-ruler, in a fertile sign.

Let us know the outcome.

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posted January 03, 2017 12:51 PM            

Had you asked is SHE pregnant we could have been arguing which house would be applicable, this is actually one of the tricky parts about hroary, which house and significator to take.

about the outcome take what I said with a grain of salt though.

After all the aspect between 1st and 5th house is already separating - so maybe she narrowly dodged the bullet?

posted January 03, 2017 02:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, the phrasing of the question is all important. If you put it like this: Is my friend pregnant - you are asking about 11th house.

Had you asked is SHE pregnant we could have been arguing which house would be applicable, this is actually one of the tricky parts about hroary, which house and significator to take.

about the outcome take what I said with a grain of salt though.

After all the aspect between 1st and 5th house is already separating - so maybe she narrowly dodged the bullet?

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posted January 03, 2017 08:41 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Actually Moon rules her 3rd house - so I wonder if it might simply signify her thoughts about this?

BTW if you had asked about yourself, the chart has a very early rising, which usually means it is too soon to ask that question.

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posted January 04, 2017 08:13 AM            

the aspects Sun and Mars have is separating, usually we do not use separating aspects, but couldn`t it be that the pregnancy already happened before the question was asked? esp. as it is so close in orb?

posted January 04, 2017 12:31 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I was wondering about that, Gemini Karat,

the aspects Sun and Mars have is separating, usually we do not use separating aspects, but couldn`t it be that the pregnancy already happened before the question was asked? esp. as it is so close in orb?

That is what got me confused here.

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posted January 04, 2017 03:32 PM            

Sun is 12 Cap
Mars is 11 Pisces

Since Sun is more quickly moving, it already has sextiled Mars in the past and is now pulling away.

posted January 04, 2017 04:44 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, HER first ruler is Mars, her 5th ruler is Sun.

Sun is 12 Cap
Mars is 11 Pisces

Since Sun is more quickly moving, it already has sextiled Mars in the past and is now pulling away.

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posted January 04, 2017 04:55 PM            

No, I don`t think you are pregnant.

1. Early ASC (some would not even bother to read such a chart)

2. 1st house ruler, which is Moon, and 5th house ruler, which is Venus have no aspect whatsoever.

posted January 04, 2017 06:48 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Okay, I get why this might feel awkward, but thing is in horary you can only get straight answers if you are being honest (or the rulership will be off).

No, I don`t think you are pregnant.

1. Early ASC (some would not even bother to read such a chart)

2. 1st house ruler, which is Moon, and 5th house ruler, which is Venus have no aspect whatsoever.

So no, not pregnant. Unless I miss something of course.

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posted January 05, 2017 07:51 AM            

Moon makes an applying aspect to the intercepted ruler of Scorpio(=Mars).

posted January 05, 2017 03:31 PM            

With an early degree the answer is not ready. Apart from what you have posted I have the tendency to see a Horary chart as a reflection of a "real life" conformation.
That means
Day of Bunga Bunga + 8 days = HCA level can be displayed on a pregnancy test
Day of Bunga Bunga + 21 days = The doctor can validate a pregnancy.

Maybe the day of Bunga Bunga is displayed by a separating aspect of the 8th house ruler .

I have always difficulties with intercepted signs. They are my personal surprises every time I see them.

posted January 05, 2017 04:35 PM            

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Originally posted by GeminiKarat:
@Ceri
As you stated and I can only agree is that the chart is read by each word. For me the chart displayed the question:"I (=1st house) believe(=Moon in the 9th) to be pregnant(=Jupiter in the 5th).

With an early degree the answer is not ready. Apart from what you have posted I have the tendency to see a Horary chart as a reflection of a "real life" conformation.
That means
Day of Bunga Bunga + 8 days = HCA level can be displayed on a pregnancy test
Day of Bunga Bunga + 21 days = The doctor can validate a pregnancy.

Maybe the day of Bunga Bunga is displayed by a separating aspect of the 8th house ruler .

I have always difficulties with intercepted signs. They are my personal surprises every time I see them.

It is only my opinion .

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posted January 05, 2017 04:38 PM            

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Originally posted by GeminiKarat:
Please do tell the outcome!

Moon makes an applying aspect to the intercepted ruler of Scorpio(=Mars).

@Ceri I will explain in the evening as I go to the museum right now.

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posted January 06, 2017 04:45 AM            

I do not know either how this interception will pan out AND there is an early degree.

posted January 06, 2017 05:57 AM            

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Originally posted by GeminiKarat:
In this chart the 5th house is ruled by Libra and Scorpio. The 6th house starts and is ruled by Sagittarius.
Libra=Venus
Scorpio=Mars

I do not know either how this interception will pan out AND there is an early degree.

What did the doctor say?

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