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Lethargic-
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posted January 10, 2017 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lethargic-     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would appreciate any help with the timing in this horary and any other observations/interpretations. An objective pov is always nice I'm also a newbie so if anything is wrong please let me
know.

Q was: Will P and I be together? Asked Dec 23 '16

Me= Mars , P=Venus

1) No aspect BUT translation of light w/ moon = very good
2) Moon debilitated in 12th house = bad
3) Venus receives moon in libra= good
4) not too sure about this one [ 12th house 'co-significator' of Mars + Pisces] = good
5) Moon conjunct Jupiter ( good in itself but also related to Pisces and also my co-sig since it was recent aspect moon made) = good
6)Moon sextile Sun= good
7)Venus conjunct Jupiter applying (good in itself + Jupiter is my other co-sig) = good
8)Sun sextile Mars applying (Sun also P?) = good
9)Mars in Pisces triplicity = good
10)No mutual reception= bad

=yes?
I think P will contact me first (moon is translating light from Venus to Mars).
I'm not sure if the Sun represents P or if it is the prohibiting planet preventing translation of light... I thought the former.


About Timing~~ I'm thinking 6 weeks or 2 months if the aforementioned is correct

I think this chart is generally very telling (Mars/Venus) and then the signs they're placed in. I'm natal Aquarius and P is Pisces. Maybe irrelevant but the Mercury is my exact placement in natal chart.

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posted January 11, 2017 05:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiKarat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
May I ask:
Did you consider moon VOC as well?

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posted January 11, 2017 08:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lethargic-     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by GeminiKarat:
May I ask:
Did you consider moon VOC as well?

Ahhh I didn't notice that. For some reason I thought VOC meant the moon makes no aspects at all. What do you make of it? Do you think nothing will happen?

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posted January 12, 2017 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lethargic-     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump :#

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posted January 12, 2017 05:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiKarat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The moon is said to be the Co-signifactor in a chart. There are several opinions on it and you can take the first aspect of the moon when it changes the sign to give you a clue.
Some information on the topic.
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Originally posted by appleberry:
> > > The Story of the Moon (and VoC)

* * * VOID of COURSE (VoC)
“The void-of-course period of the Moon is the period of time from the moment the Moon makes the last contact with any planet in the current Sign of the Zodiac, and until it enters the next sign. The void-of-course period can be very short, only a few minutes, but it can also be very long, about two days (although that happens quite rarely).”

* IS THE MOON VoC?
You can check the Lunar Calendar for the state of the moon (Check legend at bottom).
I would use the Universal Time for it, because of location differences: http://www.lunarium.co.uk/articles/void-of-course.jsp
You can also quickly check perfection on: planetwatcher.com

* The Moon’s Story:
“Each sign is like a chapter in the book of life, and moving through it the Moon is telling a story. When the Moon enters the next sign, it starts a new story- We’ve “moved on”. We still remember the old one, but we are not deeply involved into it anymore. Whether we notice it or not, each time the Moon enters the next Sign of the Zodiac, something substantially changes in our life, some context, or the emotional background of events. Most of the time we aren't aware of this change because the Moon is strongly connected to our subconsciousness, not to our consciousness. It is the subconsciousness who is deeply aware of the change.

So in each of the signs the Moon starts a new story when it enters the sign, but those stories can have different lengths. Some of them continue for almost the whole two-and-a-half-day period, others are much shorter, but always there is a pause in the end of the story. It can be short or long, but it is always there. That pause in the end of the story is the void-of-course period of the Moon. Maybe the story teller gives us the time to think about the content of the story we've just heard, or maybe it is a chance to prepare to the next story, because it is going to be very important.

Moving through each sign, the Moon makes contacts with the planets. It isn't really important what are those contacts and how they are made, but it is exactly those contacts who provide the content of the sign's story. The exact number of the contacts and their distribution in time depends on where all the planets are in the Zodiac, and this arrangement changes eternally.

At some point the Moon makes its last contact in the given sign. That's the end of the story, but the new story won't start until the Moon enters the next Sign of the Zodiac.”

* * VoC in Horary:
“If we find that the Moon was void-of-course at the moment when a question was asked, we might decide that it is not appropriate to answer such a question. Or, if some of us will still decide to proceed with the answer, they will most probably say that nothing will come out of the matter in question (which, depending on the question, might mean that there is nothing to be afraid of).”

“In Horary Astrology, we are looking at the contacts with planets which the Moon is going to make before it leaves the sign it is in. Those aspects will tell us what is going to happen about the situation in question. But if the Moon is void-of-course, i.e. it isn't going to contact any planets before the end of the story, then the only possible answer is that nothing is going to happen. So if a person asked "will I get married", the answer will be perceived as negative, but if someone was worried and asked "will I get fired?" then the answer nothing will happen will be perceived as positive. Similarly, in daily life void-of-course periods aren't necessarily bad. We just need to keep these words in mind: nothing is going to happen, and then see if this result desirable for us or not. “

“During a void Moon you should not sign a contract, make plans, close a deal, or start a project. Basically anything which you want to have a concrete real-world result should not be started, signed or sealed. If you do, these things will never get off the ground, never materialize, have to be re-done, or have so many problems and setbacks as to be useless anyhow.

On the other hand,

... if you want to drop a bombshell, and yet have fewer repercussions in the long run, during the void-of-course Moon is the time to do it. “


Information above collected in part from: http://www.lunarium.co.uk/articles/void-of-course.jsp


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posted January 12, 2017 05:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiKarat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is my favourite tool to find that aspect.
http://www.planetwatcher.com/

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posted January 12, 2017 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lethargic-     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was reading a lot about it yesterday. Apparently there isn't a set definition. I think Lilly didn't really mind the aspects not perfecting as long as there is some form of reception.

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posted January 13, 2017 12:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lethargic-     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi sorry to bother you again-- so i've been looking up definitions and I still don't see how it's VOC (perhaps besides not perfecting before leaving Libra- but Lilly and several sites like skyscript mentioned how 'application' by aspect is the requirement).

How do modern astrologers or the people recording void of course moons see it? I can't tell what's the popular view.

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Another thing I don't understand: how can you tell what the moon's last aspect is or more recent?

In this case: Is the moon conjunct jupiter the 'past/separating aspect' that astrologers deem important or is it the moon trine venus?
Hope what im asking makes sense.


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posted January 13, 2017 03:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiKarat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lethargic-:

How do modern astrologers or the people recording void of course moons see it?

There are many opinions out there. Make your own choice and stick to it.

I respect people who read a VOC Moon, but I do not. I screwed every interpretation with VOC .

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