posted January 07, 2022 08:53 PM            

Moon is the only querent significator, right?
Quesited is 7th house - right?
Quesited's significators are saturn, ruler of the seventh, and the planets in the seventh venus and pluto(?) but pluto is an outer planet.

Looks like
moon applies to conjoin uranus
saturn applies to square uranus
moon applies to square saturn

moon goes on to trine venus and pluto

sun here only semi-sextiles i.e. is not aspecting.

Is this favorable, unfavorable?
reception: Moon is in Taurus, thus received by Venus in seventh.
No other receptions right?
I don't think there's any detriments of significators?
Some significators are dignified, exalted.

posted January 08, 2022 08:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Horary Fairy:
There are no receptions between the Moon and Saturn. Moon applies to square Saturn which can bring things together with delays and difficulties but as there are no receptions between the planets there is no motivation to come together. There are also no aspects between the Sun (him as man) and Venus (her as woman). So it looks like they won't be lovers.

Traditional horary astrology doesn't use the outer planets and only the 5 Ptolemaic aspects - conjunction, trine, sextile, square and opposition.

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posted January 09, 2022 03:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Horary Fairy:
As this is Venus in the 7H it's likely to be the Querent's co-significator if it is a woman and shows the 'woman' side of her that wants a mate, being here just shows she is keen on him.

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Querent is male, quesited female.
So it is the quesited's co-significator, right? Moon is applying to trine venus. I don't know what if anything that means.

posted January 10, 2022 11:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Horary Fairy:
I don't think that aspect alone will bring it about because the Moon is squaring Saturn first so it's getting in the way and also Venus receives the Moon in detriment so there is some kind of disconnect here. However, a horary isn't written in stone and nothing says that the querent shouldn't try to make things work.

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posted January 10, 2022 12:49 PM            

Male querent 1H – The Moon (his personality) and The Sun (sexual attraction as ‘man’)
Female querent 7H – Saturn (her personality) and Venus (sexual attraction as ‘woman’)
The receptions (depending on how you choose to read them) will determine how much motivation someone has in wanting to do anything in a situation and also how they feel about it. I read receptions as I was taught by John Frawley.

The Moon is ruled by Venus and in its term – the Moon really likes Venus. The Moon also exalts itself and in its own triplicity so he thinks very highly of himself.

The Sun receives Saturn in term and face which is low level liking, he’s not as fond of her personality as he is her being a woman.

Saturn receives itself in rulership in its own domicile – she is only concerned with herself. The Sun is in detriment so she doesn’t really like that side of him – the sexual side.

Venus receives Saturn in rulership and term so again, she is more concerned with herself and she receives the Moon in triplicity and detriment – detriment is stronger than triplicity so tips the scales a bit more in ‘dislike’ arena.

Although Venus isn’t the ruler of the 7H, it is her co-ruler and therefore in her own house. She doesn’t want to ‘come out to play’ so to speak and probably isn’t interested in a relationship.

From the receptions it looks like he likes her as a ‘woman’ more than he does as a person so it could be he just wants a woman, doesn’t have to be her specifically.

The Sun (which rules ‘men’ in general) is in her turned 12H (hidden and secret stuff as well as other things) has separated from a conjunction with Mercury so it’s possible she has split up with someone but the Sun is also still applying to conjunct Mercury by antiscion – again, something hidden - the orb is a bit wide but it's still happening. Maybe relevant, maybe not – take it with a pinch of salt.

The receptions aren’t great. The Sun and Venus are not receiving each other and make no aspect to each other – this would be the relationship between the two.

The Moon and Saturn apply by square which is a stressful aspect. Saturn doesn’t receive the Moon and the Moon doesn’t receive Saturn so there is nothing here that is compelling either to do anything about getting together. And even though the Moon applies to trine Venus which is an easy aspect (Bonatti says no reception is required but I’ve seen better charts with great reception and a trine that still didn’t work out, so I’m not convinced.) Venus receives the Moon in detriment so it isn’t going to produce the best results if any anything at all because no matter how much the Moon likes her she hates him.

This isn’t a great chart. There is no relationship between the planetary hour and the Ascendant either so there is nothing in agreement here.

posted January 10, 2022 09:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Horary Fairy:
Let’s break this down to make it a bit easier.

Male querent 1H – The Moon (his personality) and The Sun (sexual attraction as ‘man’)
Female querent 7H – Saturn (her personality) and Venus (sexual attraction as ‘woman’)
The receptions (depending on how you choose to read them) will determine how much motivation someone has in wanting to do anything in a situation and also how they feel about it. I read receptions as I was taught by John Frawley.

The Moon is ruled by Venus and in its term – the Moon really likes Venus. The Moon also exalts itself and in its own triplicity so he thinks very highly of himself.

The Sun receives Saturn in term and face which is low level liking, he’s not as fond of her personality as he is her being a woman.

Saturn receives itself in rulership in its own domicile – she is only concerned with herself. The Sun is in detriment so she doesn’t really like that side of him – the sexual side.

Venus receives Saturn in rulership and term so again, she is more concerned with herself and she receives the Moon in triplicity and detriment – detriment is stronger than triplicity so tips the scales a bit more in ‘dislike’ arena.

Although Venus isn’t the ruler of the 7H, it is her co-ruler and therefore in her own house. She doesn’t want to ‘come out to play’ so to speak and probably isn’t interested in a relationship.

From the receptions it looks like he likes her as a ‘woman’ more than he does as a person so it could be he just wants a woman, doesn’t have to be her specifically.

The Sun (which rules ‘men’ in general) is in her turned 12H (hidden and secret stuff as well as other things) has separated from a conjunction with Mercury so it’s possible she has split up with someone but the Sun is also still applying to conjunct Mercury by antiscion – again, something hidden - the orv is a bit wide but it's still happening. Maybe relevant, maybe not – take it with a pinch of salt.

The receptions aren’t great. The Sun and Venus are not receiving each other and make no aspect to each other – this would be the relationship between the two.

The Moon and Saturn apply by square which is a stressful aspect. Saturn doesn’t receive the Moon and the Moon doesn’t receive Saturn so there is nothing here that is compelling either to do anything about getting together. And even though the Moon applies to trine Venus which is an easy aspect (Bonatti says no reception is required but I’ve seen better charts with great reception and a trine that still didn’t work out, so I’m not convinced.) Venus receives the Moon in detriment so it isn’t going to produce the best results if any anything at all because no matter how much the Moon likes her she hates him.

This isn’t a great chart. There is no relationship between the planetary hour and the Ascendant either so there is nothing in agreement here.

I could be wrong and more than happy to be wrong so please update if anything changes.

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Thank you very kindly; two weeks or so after asking this question the quesited (f) informed querent (m) she recently married.

I wanted to understand this chart better to improve at horary since I definitely don't understand receptions or collection of light or antiscions, or parallels. I also didn't check for any arabic parts.

posted January 11, 2022 04:50 AM            

I've seen charts that look better than this one fail. It's doesn't just depend on the aspects.

Receptions often take time to understand and also there is always a lot of confusion regarding how to read them as John Frawley reads them differently to William Lilly but they make more sense his way (I think anyway), especially in relationship charts but you have to find what works for you.