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bluestskies88
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posted November 30, 2025 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestskies88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi - so i am trying to practice reading this horary rumour is true of false.

my question is was A ever romantically and sexually connected to M in past and present?

horary chart [img]https://i.ibb.co/chYv5Xxy/Screenshot-2025-11-30-at-9-27-33-AM.png[/img]

here are the questions:


1– Lord of the ASC in an angle
YES NO

2– Moon in an angle

YES NO

3– Dispositor of the Moon in an Angle

YES NO

4– The dispositor of the Moon in a fixed sign.
YES NO

5-Moon in a fixed sign?

YES NO

6 -Moon in fixed Signes, separating from the infortunes and applying to a fortunate Planet, placed in any Angle

YES for a good rumor NO for bad ones

7-Mercury separating from the an infortune and applying to a fortunate Planet, placed in any Angle

YES for a good rumors NO for bad ones

8.Lord of the ASC is in a fixed sign?

YES NO

9-Moon is in a sucedant house?

YES NO

10- Moon in good aspect with the fortunate Planets, viz.in Sextile or trine of Jupiter, Venus or Sun?

YES ( for the good rumors NO for bad ones

11-Lord of the ASC is in a sucedent house?

YES NO

12– Lord of the Asc in good aspect with the fortunate Planets, viz.in Sextile or trine of Jupiter, Venus or Sun?

YES for good rumors NO for bad rumors

13– Lord Of ASC, afflicted by the infortunes

YES NO
14-Moon cadent in house (even if strong in the sign)

YES NO

15– Lord of the Asc. is cadent in house (even if strong in the sign)

YES NO

16– There are some malefic sitiated in the third of rumors?

YES NO

17– Third house Lord afflict by malefic

YES NO

1– Are the angles of the figure in fixed signs?

YES NO

2 Are the angles of the 4th and of the 10th in fixed signs?

YES NO

3 Third house Lord is in the 3rd?

YES NO

4 Third house´s lord is in a fixed sign?

YES NO

5: Are the Angles of the 4th and of the 10th in fixed signs and the Moon is received in them?
YES NO

https://internationsocietyofclassicalastrologers.wordpress.com/2016/02/25/is-the-rumor-is-true-or-false/

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Randall
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posted December 06, 2025 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump!

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Horary Fairy
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posted December 08, 2025 07:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Horary Fairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When judging whether a rumour is true, follow John Frawley’s method, not the long, item-by-item lists sometimes derived from William Lilly, minor testimonies don’t make a judgement and can usually be ignored.

To judge whether a rumour is true:

1. Examine Lord 3

Ask:
• Is it strong or weak?
• Is it dignified or debilitated?
• Is it combust?
• Is it retrograde?
• Is it angular, succedent, or cadent?

2. Examine the Moon

Does it support the testimony of Lord 3 or contradict it?

3. Decide from strength vs. weakness

• Strong Lord 3 + positive Moon - The rumour is likely true.
• Weak Lord 3 + negative Moon - The rumour is likely false.

Nothing more is needed.

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posted December 09, 2025 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Horary is such a specialized skill!

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Horary Fairy
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posted December 11, 2025 07:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Horary Fairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
Horary is such a specialized skill!

Yes - I love it!!

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bluestskies88
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posted December 12, 2025 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestskies88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Horary Fairy:
When judging whether a rumour is true, follow John Frawley’s method, not the long, item-by-item lists sometimes derived from William Lilly, minor testimonies don’t make a judgement and can usually be ignored.

To judge whether a rumour is true:

1. Examine Lord 3

Ask:
• Is it strong or weak?
• Is it dignified or debilitated?
• Is it combust?
• Is it retrograde?
• Is it angular, succedent, or cadent?

2. Examine the Moon

Does it support the testimony of Lord 3 or contradict it?

3. Decide from strength vs. weakness

• Strong Lord 3 + positive Moon - The rumour is likely true.
• Weak Lord 3 + negative Moon - The rumour is likely false.

Nothing more is needed.


hi sorry idk how to read it. what is the answer? lol

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bluestskies88
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posted December 12, 2025 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestskies88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i am going to try:

1. Examine Lord 3

3H is in Aries, which is ruled by Mars

Ask: • Is it strong or weak? its weak, Mars is in the 12H, the house of secrets, distortions, unclear

• Is it dignified or debilitated? Neither, Mars in Sagg is perigrine

• Is it combust? No
• Is it retrograde? No
• Is it angular, succedent, or cadent? Cadent

2. Examine the Moon Does it support the testimony of Lord 3 or contradict it? No, there is no aspect between Moon and Mars

3. Decide from strength vs. weakness • Strong Lord 3 + positive Moon - The rumour is likely true.

• Weak Lord 3 + negative Moon - The rumour is likely false.

The rumour is false due to Cadent planets are the weakest category of house strength.

So Mars (your Lord of the 3rd house, ruler of rumors/information) is:

Weak by house placement

Hidden, unclear, or ineffective

Less able to act or manifest events

More likely to represent misunderstanding or false information

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posted December 18, 2025 08:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Horary Fairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bluestskies88:
i am going to try:

1. Examine Lord 3

3H is in Aries, which is ruled by Mars

Ask: • Is it strong or weak? its weak, Mars is in the 12H, the house of secrets, distortions, unclear

• Is it dignified or debilitated? Neither, Mars in Sagg is perigrine

• Is it combust? No
• Is it retrograde? No
• Is it angular, succedent, or cadent? Cadent

2. Examine the Moon Does it support the testimony of Lord 3 or contradict it? No, there is no aspect between Moon and Mars

3. Decide from strength vs. weakness • Strong Lord 3 + positive Moon - The rumour is likely true.

• Weak Lord 3 + negative Moon - The rumour is likely false.

The rumour is false due to Cadent planets are the weakest category of house strength.

So Mars (your Lord of the 3rd house, ruler of rumors/information) is:

Weak by house placement

Hidden, unclear, or ineffective

Less able to act or manifest events

More likely to represent misunderstanding or false information


You did well!

The rumour is shown by Mars, ruler of the 3rd house, placed cadent in the 12th, indicating gossip that is hidden, weak, and lacking substance. You are shown by Saturn, ruler of the Ascendant, and the Moon, which is conjunct Saturn, describing heaviness, fear, and anxiety on your part. Crucially, the Moon doesn’t apply to Mars, so the rumour doesn’t perfect or come into being. What the chart shows clearly is the burden of worry you are carrying, not the truth of the rumour itself.

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bluestskies88
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posted December 20, 2025 07:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestskies88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Horary Fairy:
You did well!

The rumour is shown by Mars, ruler of the 3rd house, placed cadent in the 12th, indicating gossip that is hidden, weak, and lacking substance. You are shown by Saturn, ruler of the Ascendant, and the Moon, which is conjunct Saturn, describing heaviness, fear, and anxiety on your part. Crucially, the Moon doesn’t apply to Mars, so the rumour doesn’t perfect or come into being. What the chart shows clearly is the burden of worry you are carrying, not the truth of the rumour itself.


Thank you Fairy.

Yes, i am very worried and carrying alot of fear that is triggered by him and the relationship from my past abuse and trauma in childhood. my nervous system is dysregulated and my mind is creating stories based on this fear.

when you say hidden in the 12H, what does that mean? Also, Saturn is here as well, so does this show I am working on my karma with this relationship?

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